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  Coolit

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Joined: 11/22/10
Posts: 438

6/21/13 12:10:16 PM#21
I already have FFXIV 1.0 so don't have to buy ARR for PC but after reading you can play the same characters regardless of platform I've pre-ordered it on PS3 also. I expect to do most of my gaming on the PC version but there are times when you just want to relax and being able to switch to the console will be ideal. If the tech works well with ARR I'd be happy to cross platform in the same way with other MMO's, I'm looking at you EQNext!
  BadSpock

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Logic be damned!

6/21/13 12:18:57 PM#22
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by BadSpock

What a load of crap.

First - the "facts" are wrong. FFXIV is releasing on the PS3 as well as PC on Aug 27th - it is releasing on PS4 in 2014 as well. A columnist writing for an MMO site should get their facts together before being published.

Second - both PS3 and PS4 and probably 360 and XB1 support USB keyboards, and both PS3 and XB360 have "texting pad" peripherals to enable easy text-based chat. Everyone over the age of 5 and under the age of 60 should be pretty damn good at thumb typing these days.

Third - if the comments in this forum, or the millions of dumb ass comments on internet boards across the 'verse and in the general chat of your favorite PC MMO are any indication, the ratio of immature dumb asses to "mature" players is the same on console as it is on PC.

About 10,000,000 to 1.

Fourth - the idea that having a dozen full hotbars = complexity has been dispelled a million and a half times over, so control scheme is about as valid of an argument as the grand "maturity" of the PC community.

Fifth - many, many MMOs are coming to the next gen consoles - you can either continue to bitch and moan like children, or accept the fact that gaming is changing. The kids will never get off your lawn, and no one cares that you walked uphill through the snow both ways.

This is all coming from a 25+ year PC AND console gaming veteran, and 13+ year MMO veteran who cut my virtual avatar teeth dodging PK's outside Brittania.

Have to disagree.  People who buy consoles do not buy keyboards or mice to any extent.   Console people usually use voice, which is fine, but it really breaks any rpg elements of the game.

 If you are in any kind of a pvp event and you are playing on a console with a controller and I am on a PC with mouse/keyboard, I will own you all the time.  If you notice most game servers do not mix the console people with the PC people for that reason.

False.

I am 100x better with shooters on console than on PC. Your theory has been disproven on these boards and many others a thousand times. 

It takes just as much skill to play COD or Halo etc. on console as it does to play CS or BF etc. on PC.

The reason you don't see mix now is because A) Microsoft has a generally completely closed off network structure through XBOX live, so no cross-play with PC/PS except in VERY rare cases (one of them being MMO) and B) PS3 was/is coded with crazy custom processor and unique architecture, hard to cross-platform and devs hated PS3 to PC or XB ports because of it.

Both XB1 and PS4 are x86 just like the PC gaming world, PS4 is opening realm of cross-platform play, XB1 might for some games, but is probably still going to be a b!tch and segregate themselves on a lot of titles.

I promise you there will be cross platform games between PC and the new consoles, and your theory is going to fly out the window each and every time some "console noob" beats you.

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  dreadlordnaf

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Joined: 12/11/12
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6/21/13 12:25:00 PM#23

Am I the only gamer over 30 who posts on these forums?  The potshots that "Tingle" takes on consoles are pathetic and devoid of any understanding on why many people prefer and enjoy consoles: its called real life.

 

Many of you reading are probably in your late teens or college.  Have fun during this time,, seriously.  I gamed like a madman then...  But for all respective purposes if your life were an RPG, you are basically still in the tutorial and have yet to venture out into the real game. Not dissing you, just pointing out a fact. 

 

Here is why consoles are going to become more popular and them bringing more sophisticated games to the console is a good thing.  Once many of you get a real job where you spend 8 hours a day in an office in front of a computer, tell me how it feels physically to go home and spend hours more in front of one just to enjoy your favorite game.  It sucks trust me and can lead to some severe health problems in your back, hands, and wrists.

 

Also once you get married and have a family the living room becomes a more essential part of your life.  Being able to game in an open area where you also have an easy view of any kids playing with their toys in the foreground is essential.   It also has a more social aspect to it if you are on the couch playing, while for example your wife or significant other is messing around on her tablet next to you.  While this seems like a very passive bonding experience, there is something very real to it over isolating yourself in another room hunkered over a PC. 

 

Most of my friends like me who started gaming at an early age have not given it up and see no reason to as we get older.  But it is necessary to adapt how you game to make it more compatible with real life around you.  Given grown up gamers have high disposable income it is hard to imagine game developers ignoring this aspect either.  It is unfortunate the author, Mr. Tingle doesnt even acknowledge this.  Though judging by his picture, it appears in the "RPG of life" he recently just finished character creation and so really has no first hand experience what mid and end-game content actually consists of. 

 
 
  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
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6/21/13 12:38:10 PM#24
Originally posted by dreadlordnaf

Am I the only gamer over 30 who posts on these forums?  The potshots that "Tingle" takes on consoles are pathetic and devoid of any understanding on why many people prefer and enjoy consoles: its called real life.

 

Many of you reading are probably in your late teens or college.  Have fun during this time,, seriously.  I gamed like a madman then...  But for all respective purposes if your life were an RPG, you are basically still in the tutorial and have yet to venture out into the real game. Not dissing you, just pointing out a fact. 

 

Here is why consoles are going to become more popular and them bringing more sophisticated games to the console is a good thing.  Once many of you get a real job where you spend 8 hours a day in an office in front of a computer, tell me how it feels physically to go home and spend hours more in front of one just to enjoy your favorite game.  It sucks trust me and can lead to some severe health problems in your back, hands, and wrists.

 

Also once you get married and have a family the living room becomes a more essential part of your life.  Being able to game in an open area where you also have an easy view of any kids playing with their toys in the foreground is essential.   It also has a more social aspect to it if you are on the couch playing, while for example your wife or significant other is messing around on her tablet next to you.  While this seems like a very passive bonding experience, there is something very real to it over isolating yourself in another room hunkered over a PC. 

 

Most of my friends like me who started gaming at an early age have not given it up and see no reason to as we get older.  But it is necessary to adapt how you game to make it more compatible with real life around you.  Given grown up gamers have high disposable income it is hard to imagine game developers ignoring this aspect either.  It is unfortunate the author, Mr. Tingle doesnt even acknowledge this.  Though judging by his picture, it appears in the "RPG of life" he recently just finished character creation and so really has no first hand experience what mid and end-game content actually consists of. 

 
 

PCs do not have to be typical PCs shoved in another room

My PC is like a next gen games console already. I have my PC connected to my main TV and use a Xbox 360 controller for Windows. The only difference between Xbox 360 and my PC is the shape of the box, and playing GTA IV on the PC has far better graphics.

If more games come out on PC, you could get people creating their own designed games consoles - It could end up becoming quite interesting. I built my PC myself, and thinking about creating and selling PCs, but designed more as a games console that plugs into the TV, than a monitor

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  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 4725

6/21/13 12:40:20 PM#25
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by BadSpock

What a load of crap.

First - the "facts" are wrong. FFXIV is releasing on the PS3 as well as PC on Aug 27th - it is releasing on PS4 in 2014 as well. A columnist writing for an MMO site should get their facts together before being published.

Second - both PS3 and PS4 and probably 360 and XB1 support USB keyboards, and both PS3 and XB360 have "texting pad" peripherals to enable easy text-based chat. Everyone over the age of 5 and under the age of 60 should be pretty damn good at thumb typing these days.

Third - if the comments in this forum, or the millions of dumb ass comments on internet boards across the 'verse and in the general chat of your favorite PC MMO are any indication, the ratio of immature dumb asses to "mature" players is the same on console as it is on PC.

About 10,000,000 to 1.

Fourth - the idea that having a dozen full hotbars = complexity has been dispelled a million and a half times over, so control scheme is about as valid of an argument as the grand "maturity" of the PC community.

Fifth - many, many MMOs are coming to the next gen consoles - you can either continue to bitch and moan like children, or accept the fact that gaming is changing. The kids will never get off your lawn, and no one cares that you walked uphill through the snow both ways.

This is all coming from a 25+ year PC AND console gaming veteran, and 13+ year MMO veteran who cut my virtual avatar teeth dodging PK's outside Brittania.

Have to disagree.  People who buy consoles do not buy keyboards or mice to any extent.   Console people usually use voice, which is fine, but it really breaks any rpg elements of the game.

 If you are in any kind of a pvp event and you are playing on a console with a controller and I am on a PC with mouse/keyboard, I will own you all the time.  If you notice most game servers do not mix the console people with the PC people for that reason.

False.

I am 100x better with shooters on console than on PC. Your theory has been disproven on these boards and many others a thousand times. 

It takes just as much skill to play COD or Halo etc. on console as it does to play CS or BF etc. on PC.

The reason you don't see mix now is because A) Microsoft has a generally completely closed off network structure through XBOX live, so no cross-play with PC/PS except in VERY rare cases (one of them being MMO) and B) PS3 was/is coded with crazy custom processor and unique architecture, hard to cross-platform and devs hated PS3 to PC or XB ports because of it.

Both XB1 and PS4 are x86 just like the PC gaming world, PS4 is opening realm of cross-platform play, XB1 might for some games, but is probably still going to be a b!tch and segregate themselves on a lot of titles.

I promise you there will be cross platform games between PC and the new consoles, and your theory is going to fly out the window each and every time some "console noob" beats you.

It has been proven repeatedly, that a mouse/keyboard combination in a FPS game is significantly faster/more accurate than a game pad, to such an extent that even a mediocre player can defeat an expert using a gamepad, i find it impossible to believe that you have not read this, as it is remarkably well documented. Microsoft even killed off a project after the huge disparity in gameplay between the two resulted in the console players being utterly devastated every single match. The only way to make a console more competitive in a FPS vs a PC's keyboard/mouse combo, is to have 'assisted' aim. Which most find pretty unnacceptable.

  ThomasN7

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Joined: 3/17/07
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6/21/13 12:46:06 PM#26
I think the idea of mmos on consoles are great but I think the real question will be can Zenimax make a good console mmo ? Consoles are more about being more comfortable playing your games. I can kick my feet up and relax while playing. The other thing is that I love that I do not need make 1000 macros and remember them all, just a few button presses and that is all it takes.
  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2228

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6/21/13 1:20:38 PM#27
Originally posted by ThomasN7
I think the idea of mmos on consoles are great but I think the real question will be can Zenimax make a good console mmo ? Consoles are more about being more comfortable playing your games. I can kick my feet up and relax while playing. The other thing is that I love that I do not need make 1000 macros and remember them all, just a few button presses and that is all it takes.

The good thing about PCs nowadays is that they can be like consoles - you can have them at a desk as they normally have been or plug them into a TV, and be like a console and relax just the same on the couch with a controller.

Console games do not tend to be designed to be played like PC games though, and they do not get keyboard / mouse as official accessories, although used to, so consoles are more restricted to just controller.

I've got Defiance for PC, and I can either play using a keyboard/mouse or the Xbox controller, the game is configured for both

The PS4 and Xbox ONE will match the top PCs but soon they will become out of date. They are mainly built on PC hardware, and the Steam box is just a small PC that is console shaped, and can be upgraded.

I think official consoles will die out, and people will design up to date consoles more frequently with PC hardware. It is getting ridiculous getting new consoles and then can not play old games on them, but you can with PC

The Wii U and its controller is about the only console that could do MMOs well, and its screen controller will make good use of the hotbars in MMOs. I hope someone does a MMO on the Wii U as it is just wasting away the opportunity at the moment.

  jmcdermottuk

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Joined: 6/10/06
Posts: 764

6/21/13 1:28:32 PM#28

There's nothing touchy about this subject because it's so fundamental. Consoles are ill suited to MMO's period.

 

It has nothing to do with computing power, before anyone jumps in with the next gen hardware specs. It's as basic as this, the controller is the limitation. Yes, we see a lot more action oriented MMO's today with fewer hotkeys etc but the social side of MMO's requires a keyboard and very few console players bother with them.

 

From the current and past examples we've seen of MMO's attempted on consoles we see the same things, cut down versions, restrictions to abilities, crafting, all the things that make an MMO a massive social event and not just a game. Defiance can't even deliver a working chat system FFS! Way to kill the social side of your MMO.

 

Any move to push the genre onto consoles is a bad idea and the sooner this idea gets dropped the better.

 
  Razeekster

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6/21/13 1:39:49 PM#29
I certainly won't be buying the Xbox 1. All the "features" that were displayed for it seem like restrictions to me! To each his/her own though I suppose.

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  Xzen

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6/21/13 1:47:57 PM#30
Any of us that have played FFXI on the PS2 or Xbox 360 can tell you that these anti-console people are talking out their arse. If people get an mmorpg on the console they will likely pick up a chat pad or a usb keyboard.
  zymurgeist

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Joined: 12/24/04
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6/21/13 1:56:03 PM#31
Originally posted by Four0Six

Times they are a changing.

Like it or not, they are.

Soon the consoles will replace the DVR/DVP/Blu-Ray/cablebox/roku...all of that will be 1 device. The console. It will most likely fill the role of audio center as well.

I think that is what M$ is aiming for.  Better or worse, that is where I see it going.

Not happening. They've been trying to sell that "vision" since the Hoffman console record player/AM/TV was launched in 1950. People buy components because dedicated devices do things better than all in one devices and can be replaced individually.

 

As for console MMOs their strength will lie in their differences not similarities to PC MMOs.

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  highvoltage75

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6/21/13 3:35:09 PM#32
screw the social aspect of it. mmo's on a console would be great! [mod edit]
  Ozmodan

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Joined: 2/27/07
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6/21/13 4:54:08 PM#33
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by BadSpock

What a load of crap.

First - the "facts" are wrong. FFXIV is releasing on the PS3 as well as PC on Aug 27th - it is releasing on PS4 in 2014 as well. A columnist writing for an MMO site should get their facts together before being published.

Second - both PS3 and PS4 and probably 360 and XB1 support USB keyboards, and both PS3 and XB360 have "texting pad" peripherals to enable easy text-based chat. Everyone over the age of 5 and under the age of 60 should be pretty damn good at thumb typing these days.

Third - if the comments in this forum, or the millions of dumb ass comments on internet boards across the 'verse and in the general chat of your favorite PC MMO are any indication, the ratio of immature dumb asses to "mature" players is the same on console as it is on PC.

About 10,000,000 to 1.

Fourth - the idea that having a dozen full hotbars = complexity has been dispelled a million and a half times over, so control scheme is about as valid of an argument as the grand "maturity" of the PC community.

Fifth - many, many MMOs are coming to the next gen consoles - you can either continue to bitch and moan like children, or accept the fact that gaming is changing. The kids will never get off your lawn, and no one cares that you walked uphill through the snow both ways.

This is all coming from a 25+ year PC AND console gaming veteran, and 13+ year MMO veteran who cut my virtual avatar teeth dodging PK's outside Brittania.

Have to disagree.  People who buy consoles do not buy keyboards or mice to any extent.   Console people usually use voice, which is fine, but it really breaks any rpg elements of the game.

 If you are in any kind of a pvp event and you are playing on a console with a controller and I am on a PC with mouse/keyboard, I will own you all the time.  If you notice most game servers do not mix the console people with the PC people for that reason.

False.

I am 100x better with shooters on console than on PC. Your theory has been disproven on these boards and many others a thousand times. 

It takes just as much skill to play COD or Halo etc. on console as it does to play CS or BF etc. on PC.

The reason you don't see mix now is because A) Microsoft has a generally completely closed off network structure through XBOX live, so no cross-play with PC/PS except in VERY rare cases (one of them being MMO) and B) PS3 was/is coded with crazy custom processor and unique architecture, hard to cross-platform and devs hated PS3 to PC or XB ports because of it.

Both XB1 and PS4 are x86 just like the PC gaming world, PS4 is opening realm of cross-platform play, XB1 might for some games, but is probably still going to be a b!tch and segregate themselves on a lot of titles.

I promise you there will be cross platform games between PC and the new consoles, and your theory is going to fly out the window each and every time some "console noob" beats you.

I read your response and completely disagree.  In fact if you read this article, the xbox people at Microsoft agree with me.

http://www.rahulsood.com/2010/07/console-gamers-get-killed-against-pc.html

Let's see you back up your statement with some facts.  Going to be hard to find them.

BTW I have tested this with my son, who is far better at these shooter games than I am, I pretty much owned him in the games we could go head to head in.  

  MondoA2J

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6/21/13 6:07:44 PM#34

You sound so old fashioned.

I played DCUO on my PS3 and not once did I ever have a issue or not enjoy my experience.

Also while I will admit that console MMOs simplify things, I wouldn't go off and call them lazy. Kinda rude.

I drilled a hole through my wall and played "Poke the wire through 1 feet of wall" game, simply cause I wanted to have my router connected directly for better latency. Was that lazy? Was that easy? Hell no.

People are strapped to their keyboard and mouse and need to start letting go of these concepts. As technology moves forward these stone age tools will not last. Not saying that the gamepad is the future but the mentality behind PC gamers is somewhat silly. As if keyboard/mouse were somehow superior to everything.

FFXIV has made great progress in the gamepad arena. They're ideas are slick and very responsive and fun. Completely capable of doing battle as well anyone else. Talking on the other hand on the gamepad due to no voice chat can be a little difficult. Also your point towards hearing a garbled voice from level 52 elf is hypocrisy given that EVERYONE uses Vent or Mumble or Teamspeak and no one talks inside of a game unless its "LFG for UBRS, no noobz lawlz. KK PST"

In the end. Whatever floats your boat....play it on console....play it on PC, whatever.

I look forward to the day where we will say neither of these things and simply say "Hey lets play our favorite MMORPG!" and suck our brains into the Matrix. :P

MMORPG Gamers/Developers need a reality check!

  Jagarid

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“Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.”

6/21/13 11:31:26 PM#35

The distinction between console and PC is, imo, completely nonsense at this point in time.   Consoles are nothing but PC's with a different (or, in the case of xbox, modified) operating system.    

Other than the fact that consoles are always several generations behind the tech of PC for those of us with the money to throw at regular PC upgrades, there is no real difference.  Just artificial ones that exist only due to our own skewed perceptions.

Many people point to mouse+keyboard vs. controller as a distinction, but that's just not the case.  A lot of PC gamers have controllers hooked up to their PCs, many console gamers have mouse and keyboard hooked up to their console (In my case, both are true).  

Other people point to whether you are sitting at a desk or lounging on a couch as a difference, but again, this is an artificial distinction.  Some PC gamers have their PC hooked up to their TV and some console gamers use a computer monitor and not a TV.

At the end of the day, there is no such thing as a "console gamer" or a "PC gamer".   There are only "gamers".

I, for one, am looking forward to seeing more MMO choices on console.

  7imelord

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Brilliant!

6/21/13 11:47:02 PM#36

 

Just give me a console to where I can attach a keyboard and a mouse to it and I will be golden.

At this point I think everyone will be picking up both PS4 and Xbox One, however which one will cater more to the PC gamer still remains to be seen.

If everyone jumped ship and went from tower to console, what does that mean for all the graphic card companies like radeon and nvidia? There is talk that PC towers will be obsolete in the near future, but then again rumors are rumors.

I will stick to the PC Tower as long as I can for my gaming needs. I am just too old school and honestly in my elementary school days it was the Atari 2600 and Colecovision, in my young adulthood it was Sega Genesis and the 1st Playstation were the last consoles I really enjoyed.

  steamtank

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6/22/13 12:00:40 AM#37

its not about the console

 

its about the limitations of the controller

 

kb+m have more controls

kb+m are more accurate

kb+m are FASTER

 

the 2nd 2 FACTS are proven by the very companies putting out the consoles...

 

the controller is a terrible mmo device, its not even that good of a fps device

  furbans

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6/22/13 12:24:27 AM#38
Originally posted by steamtank

its not about the console

 

its about the limitations of the controller

 

kb+m have more controls

kb+m are more accurate

kb+m are FASTER

 

the 2nd 2 FACTS are proven by the very companies putting out the consoles...

 

the controller is a terrible mmo device, its not even that good of a fps device

Consoles nowadays put the vast majority of people PCs to utter shame and in fact companies are likely hindered by not using consoles since they take the punsihment of high performance games better than your avg gamer's comp.

I'm sure with the next gen consoles they will have keyboard adapters and mouse since it's not really rocket science if they haven't already got adapters one can use.  People already play MMOs with a controller.

People who hold fast that PC will always be the only option for MMOs are staying in the stone age, consoles nowadays are more like mini comps than anything.

  steamtank

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6/22/13 1:13:05 AM#39
Originally posted by furbans
Originally posted by steamtank

its not about the console

 

its about the limitations of the controller

 

kb+m have more controls

kb+m are more accurate

kb+m are FASTER

 

the 2nd 2 FACTS are proven by the very companies putting out the consoles...

 

the controller is a terrible mmo device, its not even that good of a fps device

Consoles nowadays put the vast majority of people PCs to utter shame and in fact companies are likely hindered by not using consoles since they take the punsihment of high performance games better than your avg gamer's comp.

I'm sure with the next gen consoles they will have keyboard adapters and mouse since it's not really rocket science if they haven't already got adapters one can use.  People already play MMOs with a controller.

People who hold fast that PC will always be the only option for MMOs are staying in the stone age, consoles nowadays are more like mini comps than anything.

do you actually believe what you typed?

you think MMO companies are HINDERED by PC's...... Don't you think they would have flooded the console market if consoles could perform to the same standard of gameplay required for the average MMO?

I have yet to see a single console controller mmo that is as intense as a kb+m designed mmo.

but please... prove how a gaming pc is outdone by a console in performance.

 

  kirak2009

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6/22/13 5:28:55 AM#40
I think this column should be called " Tingle's Touchy Topics"

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