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  Nihilist

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6/21/13 12:10:49 PM#41
Originally posted by Mothanos

iam glad SE does its own thing otherwise it would have been mmo #9081212319 with all the same shit we have seen past 10 years.
it wont be a mmo for evryone, its a pure Final Fantasy mmo, dont like it ? tuff luck /goodbye

What is better is that SE doesnt need to listen to all those forum baby's to maintain high sub numbers.
They can do it the way they want it without having the need worry about hitting 2 millions subs.


This is what makes me very happy, finaly an mmo that follows a strong developer with a vision instead of finance department screaming to change evrything for the $$$

10/10 SE job well done :)

This type of attitude is exactly what led to version 1.0 and one of the worst financial years in SEs recent history.

The combat in this game is pressing 2, possibly 3 buttons for the first 15 levels which is around 4-5 hours of gameplay. A lot of people probably wont spend much more time than that in a 2 day beta, so its fairly obvious why there are skeptical people here.

The combat has absolutely 0 innovation for the genre. I was doing the exact same rotations in DAOC 12+ years ago.

 

  vandal5627

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6/21/13 12:11:55 PM#42
Originally posted by Lobotomist

The game is really really old fashioned.

Graphic is quite good I guess. And it probably holds some value for fans of Final Fantasy.

Other than that , i dont see why anyone would be interested in it.

 

Why are you here then?

  SnarkRitter

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6/21/13 12:13:29 PM#43
Originally posted by vandal5627

Wait, you just accused him of masquerading his opinion as fact and you turn around and do the same thing?  Who cares where the combat is leaning towards, it's what people prefer, doesn't make one or the other outdated.  There is nothing outdated with ARR's combat and that's my opinion.

"I think it's safe to say that traditional combat system like  FF XIV is outdated."

Apparently, it was not clear enough for you? Would you mind reading my posts a bit more thoroughly so I don't have to quote myself, again?

Originally posted by vandal5627

Why are you here then?

Because this is an open forum and he's free to express his opinion?
  BadSpock

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Logic be damned!

6/21/13 12:20:29 PM#44
Originally posted by Nihilist
Originally posted by Mothanos

iam glad SE does its own thing otherwise it would have been mmo #9081212319 with all the same shit we have seen past 10 years.
it wont be a mmo for evryone, its a pure Final Fantasy mmo, dont like it ? tuff luck /goodbye

What is better is that SE doesnt need to listen to all those forum baby's to maintain high sub numbers.
They can do it the way they want it without having the need worry about hitting 2 millions subs.


This is what makes me very happy, finaly an mmo that follows a strong developer with a vision instead of finance department screaming to change evrything for the $$$

10/10 SE job well done :)

This type of attitude is exactly what led to version 1.0 and one of the worst financial years in SEs recent history.

The combat in this game is pressing 2, possibly 3 buttons for the first 15 levels which is around 4-5 hours of gameplay. A lot of people probably wont spend much more time than that in a 2 day beta, so its fairly obvious why there are skeptical people here.

The combat has absolutely 0 innovation for the genre. I was doing the exact same rotations in DAOC 12+ years ago.

It's funny to me how many people on these boards want something "more" in a game than combat, yet complain when combat isn't new and different, yet complain when combat is new and different (GW2, AoC, TERA, NW, etc.)

I'm reserving my judgement of FFXIV:ARR combat until I gain a few more levels and start playing with the cross-class abilities and such.

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  Wizardry

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Joined: 8/27/04
Posts: 7039

Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

6/21/13 12:21:57 PM#45
Originally posted by Omgz
zones and loading screens everywhere... and porno looking characters. lackluster combat and ez mode transportation everywhere. cant beleive anyone would play this tbh. Happy for those that like though, gratz!

I agree with some of this,i don't like auto warping,FFXI did it better.Combat would have been better if straight out sub class liek FFXI instead this game does have less giving per level.

However loading zones??You should realize that NOBODY has a system to allow this game to be completely open ended and it is limited by the PS3 as well,there is going to be some price to pay for being multi platform,nobody else is doing it so,that tells you how above the rest Square Enix is.

Also when you have the high level of quality as in FFXIV you cannot load as much as the low end games.Also realize that unlike other games with static 2D buildings,these actually have insides with architecture and more objects to load.Really people in this day and age should realize what they are looking at in games,there is a big difference between low quality and high quality.

Being said yes there are a lot of areas that this game could improve and/or do differently,lots i don't like but on a whole the game is at least as good or the same as any other with two differences,it lacks pvp and looks better.The lacking in pvp is a huge plus for myself,i hope it never becomes a major part of the game or it will be ruined.

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  PulsarMan

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6/21/13 12:23:18 PM#46
Originally posted by Seilan
Originally posted by PulsarMan
Originally posted by Seilan
Originally posted by Divona

I find the combat are fine. Responsive and faster than Rift. What attracted me about Final Fantasy XIV: ARR is the class system where you can mix and match different skills from each class together, just like in Final Fantasy XI (III and V as well). You can really build character to suit your playstyle. Final Fantasy also has reputation on story, and I'm looking forward to see how it will present in XIV.

Even though, it is a theme park, it doesn't feel rush like the other. The quest does lead you from one hub to another, but does not feel force to do so.

As a previous player from 1.0, this is the first where I see the game pull it body out from the coffin yell out "I'm not dead, yet!", and try to get it life back to normal. The face look the same, but this time it decided to stop taking drug and apply for a normal job like everyone else. I'm looking forward to see how it goes, and willing to help support it, if it decides to stay sober.

Yeah, I really like the class system too, but I worry that the versatility it offers won't really matter much when you get to the end game, group-oriented content. I mean, if jobs are essentially the more specialized version of the particular class you're using, would there ever be any room for said class in a group setting? That's what bothers me about this system. Even though I'll probably spend much more time playing a MAR with cure spells/etc through the leveling process, I have a feeling that I'll be expected to switch over to the warrior whenever I'm in a group, regardless of whether I want to or not.

To be fair, I haven't really played enough, or know enough about how the system plays out in the late game to make a fair assessment, but I still think that it might have been better if they had went with the same system XI used, regarding jobs. I liked that every job had it's own identity and could be played standalone. With the system they're using in FFXIV, I kind of expect classes to become the red-headed step children later on, at least when it comes to most of the end game content. I hope I'm wrong on that though.

If I'm completely off-base here, and anyone wants to educate me, I'd gladly welcome that.

I may be able to clear a few things up here. 

 

It works out like this. Your job is in addition to the class you're using. So if you're a marauder with the warrior job, you're still a marauder with all of the marauder skills. The job of warrior adds a few skills on top of that. 

 

Along with the skills you get from MAR and WAR, you're also able to make use of skills from GLD and one other that I am not specific on. Probably PUG or Archer or something. 

Oh, I'm aware of that. It's just, with the class system, you're able to craft the specific type of character you actually want to play, whereas with the job, you're kind of pigeonholed into that one main role, and the supplementary class skills that go with it.

Considering how the jobs are more specialized for group roles, I fear that there won't be much room for individuality later on in the group game since the jobs lack the freedom and variety that the classes enjoy.

Ahh I apologize. I misunderstood.

 

Yeah, the implemented the job system to give players roles to play in groups. 

  vandal5627

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6/21/13 12:23:24 PM#47
Originally posted by SnarkRitter
Originally posted by vandal5627

Wait, you just accused him of masquerading his opinion as fact and you turn around and do the same thing?  Who cares where the combat is leaning towards, it's what people prefer, doesn't make one or the other outdated.  There is nothing outdated with ARR's combat and that's my opinion.

"I think it's safe to say that traditional combat system like  FF XIV is outdated."

Apparently, it was not clear enough for you? Would you mind reading my posts a bit more thoroughly so I don't have to quote myself, again?

Originally posted by vandal5627

Why are you here then?

Because this is an open forum and he's free to express his opinion?

Going to a games forum in which you're not at all intrested in at all to say you're not interested, I see no point of it?

And my apologies for not reading your comment thoroughly.

  ThomasN7

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6/21/13 12:26:24 PM#48
The best part about any Final Fantasy mmo is by far the community. They are always so helpful and community is what drives mmos forward. I thought combat was fine. It will be 100% better than the previous version.
  AsalzSy

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6/21/13 12:27:40 PM#49
they need to put at least double tap dodge.. TSW did it in last beta & worked very well.. also the need to put a option to auto target in settings for those who want to face the target and hit..Rift did it i think in last beta too but dint work well..sometimes doesnt target anything..those 2 will make the combat much better.
  Nihilist

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6/21/13 12:29:54 PM#50
Originally posted by BadSpock

It's funny to me how many people on these boards want something "more" in a game than combat, yet complain when combat isn't new and different, yet complain when combat is new and different (GW2, AoC, TERA, NW, etc.)

I'm reserving my judgement of FFXIV:ARR combat until I gain a few more levels and start playing with the cross-class abilities and such.

AoC and GW2 are among my favorite MMOs because they have better combat than what was offered 10+ years ago.

90% of the combat is fighting 1 mob at a time pressing 2-3 buttons with a 3.5s GCD. Its not tactical, its 2 buttons.

What makes it semi-bearable is how easy it is. You just blast through mob after mob and can pretty much fight constantly with 0 downtime. Braindead, but bearable for those who like MMOs in general.

  SnarkRitter

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6/21/13 12:34:03 PM#51
Originally posted by vandal5627

Going to a games forum in which you're not at all intrested in at all to say you're not interested, I see no point of it?

Many people sign up for betas because of the brand's name without knowing everything about the game, they got into the beta only to find out that the game doesn't have what interest them. Remember that this game belong to the Final Fantasy brand, a name that by itself brings up a lot of initial interests.

And my apologies for not reading your comment thoroughly.

Apologies accepted.

 

  Lord.Bachus

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6/21/13 12:42:58 PM#52
Its fun to see that negativevposts in general are never longer then 3 lines, and positive posts almost a full page...

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Raxeon

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6/21/13 12:46:55 PM#53
Originally posted by CrazKanuk
Originally posted by Dogblaster
What level did you reach? :) I think when you get more and more spells + cobine the other class spells, it gets better. But combat  was many times tweaked in ff xiv AA .. you never know, they might tweak it few more times before release  :) ull see

+1

 

It does get better later on, but I started in on this game in p3 beta and it was so horrible I was literally falling asleep playing it. After a good night sleep, I returned as was able to gut through the game until I got to some higher-level content, but it really does lack that initial hook, I mean even engage me via story, I'm ok with that. Instead you get dropped into a town and you essentially run around for the first couple hours just running errands. 

 

It was fun, but it's certainly not at the level that I would say I'd pay for it. 

we dont have voice overs and some cutscenes are place holders

  SnarkRitter

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6/21/13 12:50:02 PM#54
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Its fun to see that negativevposts in general are never longer then 3 lines, and positive posts almost a full page...

So are you saying that all those posts are troll posts? Tell me why would people need to troll FF XIV? It's not like FF XIV is some upcoming WoW-killer caliber MMORPG that people need to troll it because they're afraid their games will lose players to it.

How about this? People don't need to say much about it because most  of FF XIV they've already seen it in other MMORPGs and thus they don't want to describe them again? I think that's a more likely reason.

  BadSpock

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Logic be damned!

6/21/13 12:50:16 PM#55
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Its fun to see that negativevposts in general are never longer then 3 lines, and positive posts almost a full page...

Constructive criticism is a very difficult skill to master.

Many people, despite their best efforts, always sound douchey when they're trying to post a neutral or positive toned, yet negative criticism.

Most just say "it sucks" or "because it does" kind of negatives and don't even put forth the effort.

Gushing optimism and positivity can be equally as annoying, and it is just as difficult to temper ones joy and refrain from reactionary, emotional writing.

Still, at the end of the day, this website doesn't need anymore negativity.

So I appreciate that fact that negative posts are usually short and the positive ones generally longer. :)

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  Sovrath

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6/21/13 12:52:37 PM#56
Originally posted by Omgz
 and porno looking characters.

I assume you wrote that but didn't keep a straight face.

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

6/21/13 12:53:28 PM#57
Originally posted by Omgz
zones and loading screens everywhere... and porno looking characters. lackluster combat and ez mode transportation everywhere. cant beleive anyone would play this tbh. Happy for those that like though, gratz!

Are you kidding? Porno looking characters?  What are you talking about?

Transportation is NEVER hard in ANY game, it's just time consuming, tell ya what, when you click accept to fly to the next city via airship, go afk for 10 minutes, there, now its like there was an annoying flying zone with nothing happening in it.

I doubt you bothered to try the game at all tbh.

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

6/21/13 12:55:07 PM#58
Originally posted by SnarkRitter
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Its fun to see that negativevposts in general are never longer then 3 lines, and positive posts almost a full page...

So are you saying that all those posts are troll posts? Tell me why would people need to troll FF XIV? It's not like FF XIV is some upcoming WoW-killer caliber MMORPG that people need to troll it because they're afraid their games will lose players to it.

How about this? People don't need to say much about it because most  of FF XIV they've already seen it in other MMORPGs and thus they don't want to describe them again? I think that's a more likely reason.

Yeah, the only reason anyone trolls is because they're scared that something might kill WoW.

That makes about no sense bucko...

Sorry but when the story doesn't make sense then it's probably fiction.  Which in this case it is.

  Laughing-man

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Joined: 4/23/09
Posts: 3395

I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

6/21/13 12:56:37 PM#59
Originally posted by Lobotomist

The game is really really old fashioned.

Graphic is quite good I guess. And it probably holds some value for fans of Final Fantasy.

Other than that , i dont see why anyone would be interested in it.

 

Because of plenty of reasons, however it appears you've already written if off with your 3 lines.

I'm sad, I really respected you Lobo.  :-(

(If you want to hear why players like it you know where to look, you are no stranger to these forums.)

  Master.Ryu

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6/21/13 12:56:46 PM#60
I played several months ago up until level 10 or so and didn't find it outstanding. Just felt like another MMO to me, then I find out a few months later that the game is suddenly hyped up. I don't really understand the hype, but I suppose it's just the name. I prefer Guild Wars 2 and the occasional Rift.
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