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General Discussion  » Comments made by Smedley that point towards open world PVP in Everquest Next

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  Bidwood

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6/20/13 10:41:20 PM#21
Originally posted by Shadus

They'll have pvp servers and they'll have pve servers. Same as eq1, eq2, etc. Or they'll do the overt/covert system like swg. It's not going to be wide free open world pvp with no kind of consent system... that's game suicide.

Tell that to Planetside 2.

  Sovrath

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6/20/13 10:47:10 PM#22
Originally posted by Bidwood
Originally posted by Shadus

They'll have pvp servers and they'll have pve servers. Same as eq1, eq2, etc. Or they'll do the overt/covert system like swg. It's not going to be wide free open world pvp with no kind of consent system... that's game suicide.

Tell that to Planetside 2.

Does Planetside 2 have a legion of solely  pve fans that span over a decade?

  ice-vortex

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OP  6/20/13 10:59:53 PM#23
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Bidwood
Originally posted by Shadus

They'll have pvp servers and they'll have pve servers. Same as eq1, eq2, etc. Or they'll do the overt/covert system like swg. It's not going to be wide free open world pvp with no kind of consent system... that's game suicide.

Tell that to Planetside 2.

Does Planetside 2 have a legion of solely  pve fans that span over a decade?

When Smedley says EQNext will be completely different than EQ1/EQ2 and it is not suppose to replace either, what makes you think they want to cater to those fanbases?

  Bidwood

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6/20/13 11:02:06 PM#24
planetside 2 proves there is a lot of money in open world pvp games. SOE will find a massive market easily.

Just look at Smedley's quote. He is basically saying the game will be harsh and if you don't like it you can go elsewhere.

And the dev team at e3 said this will be different because they didn't want to just create another version of the games they made in the past.

There's another quote somewhere about how the traditional mmo model they helped create isn't going to cut it anymore and they need to do something radically different.

They also suggested this is not going to replace or damage the population of EQ1 or EQ2 because again it is a very different game. People need to stop looking at this as EQ 1-2 or EQ3. It is neither. It is a sandbox game with open world pvp as one of the pillars that makes the game work. Many of us already intuited this is necessary to achieve all the things the devs have talked about up until now. Smedleys recent twitter activity gas really reinforced that.
  Waterlily

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6/20/13 11:07:26 PM#25
Originally posted by Bidwood
planetside 2 proves there is a lot of money in open world pvp games. SOE will find a massive market easily.

Planetside is an FPS.

There are no successful fantasy PVP MMO.

  Sovrath

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6/20/13 11:08:32 PM#26
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Bidwood
Originally posted by Shadus

They'll have pvp servers and they'll have pve servers. Same as eq1, eq2, etc. Or they'll do the overt/covert system like swg. It's not going to be wide free open world pvp with no kind of consent system... that's game suicide.

Tell that to Planetside 2.

Does Planetside 2 have a legion of solely  pve fans that span over a decade?

When Smedley says EQNext will be completely different than EQ1/EQ2 and it is not suppose to replace either, what makes you think they want to cater to those fanbases?

How does making a different game mean they won't cater to their fanbases?

They can cater to their fanbases and still bring them a new, expanded experience.

That's the problem with people, a few people say a few things and ONCE AGAIN the players imbue it with their own take on the matter.

This site is so lousy with this type of thinking. and yet, once again, come August 2nd, the full extent of what the game will bring will be announced and people will start crying foul and liar and a whole slew of things and it wont' be any one's fault but there own.

I've said it and a few others have said it: SMED is taken with EVE. Is EVE like EQ or EQ2? No. I see a strong possibility that EQ Next will have similarities allowing for the different play styles to live side by side.

And as I've said, I'll eat my hat if it's a pure pvp game. But it won't be.

And we'll know soon.

  Sovrath

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6/20/13 11:12:07 PM#27
Originally posted by Bidwood

Just look at Smedley's quote. He is basically saying the game will be harsh and if you don't like it you can go elsewhere.
 

It reminds me of the wheel of time books when they talk about the Aes Sedai and say "they might tell you the truth but it's not the truth you are thinking".

He doesn't say "how" this harsh environment will manifest itself.  There can be a pve harsh environment. What you have to prove is how what he says solely points to pure pvp. And it doesn't.

Just because he agrees that a sandbox game has to have open pvp doesn't mean that the game is going to be a ffa pvp game. It could mean that "he agrees" but that "unfortunatley" the game will be a mix. Or, it could mean that he agrees that the open pvp (however that is implemented) will bring out the full potential of a sandbox game, but that doesn't mean  there won't be other solely pve game play for the legions of fans who expect it.

You know, Tera has open pvp on its pve servers "if" your guild accepts war or declares an accepted war.

While everyone else stays out of it. It's still open pvp.

  ice-vortex

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OP  6/20/13 11:16:04 PM#28
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Bidwood
Originally posted by Shadus

They'll have pvp servers and they'll have pve servers. Same as eq1, eq2, etc. Or they'll do the overt/covert system like swg. It's not going to be wide free open world pvp with no kind of consent system... that's game suicide.

Tell that to Planetside 2.

Does Planetside 2 have a legion of solely  pve fans that span over a decade?

When Smedley says EQNext will be completely different than EQ1/EQ2 and it is not suppose to replace either, what makes you think they want to cater to those fanbases?

How does making a different game mean they won't cater to their fanbases?

They can cater to their fanbases and still bring them a new, expanded experience.

That's the problem with people, a few people say a few things and ONCE AGAIN the players imbue it with their own take on the matter.

This site is so lousy with this type of thinking. and yet, once again, come August 2nd, the full extent of what the game will bring will be announced and people will start crying foul and liar and a whole slew of things and it wont' be any one's fault but there own.

I've said it and a few others have said it: SMED is taken with EVE. Is EVE like EQ or EQ2? No. I see a strong possibility that EQ Next will have similarities allowing for the different play styles to live side by side.

And as I've said, I'll eat my hat if it's a pure pvp game. But it won't be.

And we'll know soon.

EQ2 shows what happens when you change a formula and expect to appeal to a previous game's fanbase. They simply do not play it. Most of these players only want very specific very obscure things that have absolutely no chance of ever being in EQNext or they won't play it. Just look at the threads on experience penalties, grind, and long level times.

EVE is not a pure PVP game. However, PVP is a major pillar on which EVE is built upon.

  Sovrath

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6/20/13 11:22:50 PM#29
Originally posted by ice-vortex
 

EQ2 shows what happens when you change a formula and expect to appeal to a previous game's fanbase. They simply do not play it. Most of these players only want very specific very obscure things that have absolutely no chance of ever being in EQNext or they won't play it. Just look at the threads on experience penalties, grind, and long level times.

EVE is not a pure PVP game. However, PVP is a major pillar on which EVE is built upon.

And? It still doesn't point to a purely pvp game. Regardless of "how" the pve manifests itself. Didn't EQ and EQ2 have pvp and pve servers? Are you saying that the "harsh" pve elements wont' be considered but the "harsh" pvp elements will? It just sounds to me like you are picking your side and then adapting the negligible evidence to support it.

Are there not pvp eq and eq2 players? If EQ Next is changing the formula then don't those pvp players risk losing interest in EQ Next?

I don't understand the point of your last line. I don't believe EQ next will be a purely pvp game. That's what I'm saying.  I do believe it will have something in common with EVE and allow for multiple playstyles.

  Grailer

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6/20/13 11:27:56 PM#30

I want PvE servers that have ZERO PvP .

 

and PvP servers that are totally cut throat where you are could get killed in towns even and no where is safe.

Although the guards should keep the peace and attack people who are murderers .  but not instant kill guards like UO .

 

 

  ice-vortex

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OP  6/20/13 11:30:36 PM#31
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by ice-vortex
 

EQ2 shows what happens when you change a formula and expect to appeal to a previous game's fanbase. They simply do not play it. Most of these players only want very specific very obscure things that have absolutely no chance of ever being in EQNext or they won't play it. Just look at the threads on experience penalties, grind, and long level times.

EVE is not a pure PVP game. However, PVP is a major pillar on which EVE is built upon.

And? It still doesn't point to a purely pvp game. Regardless of "how" the pve manifests itself. Didn't EQ and EQ2 have pvp and pve servers? Are you saying that the "harsh" pve elements wont' be considered but the "harsh" pvp elements will? It just sounds to me like you are picking your side and then adapting the negligible evidence to support it.

Are there not pvp eq and eq2 players? If EQ Next is changing the formula then don't those pvp players risk losing interest in EQ Next?

I don't understand the point of your last line. I don't believe EQ next will be a purely pvp game. That's what I'm saying.  I do believe it will have something in common with EVE and allow for multiple playstyles.

I am saying that they have zero plans to cater to the EQ1/EQ2 crowd. The quotes I posted in my original post shows the very possibility of PVP being a pillar of EQNext. The argument that it won't be simply because it is an EQ game is ridiculous when Smedley has repeatedly talked about how EQNext is going to be nothing like EQ1 and EQ2.

When Smedley say:

"I also said in there that it will still be very familiar to you, but what I meant by that statement is that we're changing what an MMO is. MMO means something now, and it means the same thing to everybody because it's the same game. EverQuest, WoW, SWTOR all use the same core loot gameplay, which is kill stuff, get reward, get loot, level up. Very few games have broken out of that mold. One or two have. EVE Online is a great example; it's not standard level-based gameplay, although I'm not saying we're going to a big skill-based system. You're still going to recognize the roleplaying game heritage in it. In EverQuest Next, the world itself is a part of the game. What is the world in these other games? It's a simple backdrop. It's nothing. We are changing that greatly. We're changing what AI is in these games to a degree that we're going to bring life to the world. That to us is the essence of the change that we're making."

I believe he means it. Everquest 1 and Everquest 2 both exemplified the get loot and level type of gameplay and Everquest Next won't.

  quseio

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6/20/13 11:42:09 PM#32

The pvp trolls are not gunna stop sayin its gunna be  ONLY ganksfest open world pvp, till it goes beta and proves them wrong

 i could live with frontiers or battle grounds as long as im not forced into it for quests like epics and such as long as iconic places are not part of pvp if places like  cazic or everfrost where pvp zones id be seriously pissed but you could have your plane of war xx new zone and whatnot pvp zones( or pvp instance versions of it) say your flagged for pvp you enter a pvp version of it both are  "real as in permenent" just one is for pvp

 dont get me wrong i like pvp exteel was great fun but it was not a mmo it was fps,nwn does pvp ok for a mmo except for the severely limited pvp maps theres only 2 and imo one sucks well i havent done the gvg pvp map yet

the kind of pvp i like doesnt exactly lend its self to communitys its far to fast paced to chat at all their voip sucks

  quseio

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6/20/13 11:50:27 PM#33

"I also said in there that it will still be very familiar to you, but what I meant by that statement is that we're changing what an MMO is. MMO means something now, and it means the same thing to everybody because it's the same game. EverQuest, WoW, SWTOR all use the same core loot gameplay, which is kill stuff, get reward, get loot, level up. Very few games have broken out of that mold. One or two have. EVE Online is a great example; it's not standard level-based gameplay, although I'm not saying we're going to a big skill-based system. You're still going to recognize the roleplaying game heritage in it. In EverQuest Next, the world itself is a part of the game. What is the world in these other games? It's a simple backdrop. It's nothing. We are changing that greatly. We're changing what AI is in these games to a degree that we're going to bring life to the world. That to us is the essence of the change that we're making."

I believe he means it. Everquest 1 and Everquest 2 both exemplified the get loot and level type of gameplay and Everquest Next won't.

smedly is just stirring up hype alot of what he says is meaningless without information, the only  concrete thjing hes said is we  wil be able to start forest fires so we can assume well be able to destroy buidings cause earthquakes and stuff how that stuff happens ?  id ont know i dont see players being able to just cast fireball and starting  a entire forest on fire or casting quake and destroying a town

 

Do you really think smed would misss out on people who want nothing to do with pvp? as   people have said b4 their will be  pvp servers or battlegrounds we wont have to enter and can avoid anything else is   silly

  ice-vortex

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OP  6/21/13 12:45:40 AM#34

One of the most telling Smedley quotes is this one:

"We want them to… Not make their own fun. We’re going to make our games amazingly fun. We want them to be able to make things we didn’t think of fun. That’s really what it is. I mentioned Hulkageddon, I love that in EVE. That’s just players putting bounties on something. It’s nothing. That’s all it is. But that’s as fun as anything in EVE. More fun if you ask me. It’s amazingly fun."

Hulkageddon is a player PVP event in EVE where players are given prizes to go into highsec and gank defenseless mining ships. Those in highsec are the ones trying to avoid pvp because it is the safest region. People that want PVE would for all accounts describe this event as just pure griefing. Yet Smedley calls it 'amazingly fun'.

  dandurin

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6/21/13 12:54:35 AM#35
Originally posted by ice-vortex

One of the most telling Smedley quotes is this one:

"We want them to… Not make their own fun. We’re going to make our games amazingly fun. We want them to be able to make things we didn’t think of fun. That’s really what it is. I mentioned Hulkageddon, I love that in EVE. That’s just players putting bounties on something. It’s nothing. That’s all it is. But that’s as fun as anything in EVE. More fun if you ask me. It’s amazingly fun."

Hulkageddon is a player PVP event in EVE where players are given prizes to go into highsec and gank mining ships. By all accounts those in highsec are the ones trying to avoid pvp because it is the safest region. People that want PVE would for all accounts describe this event is just pure griefing. Yet Smedley calls it 'amazingly fun'.

I thought the point of Hulkageddon was that highsec miners were extensively botting and this was a fun way to clean up that little wart.

 

My understanding was that if you weren't AFK it would be fairly easy to avoid being victimized.

 

So perhaps this was "griefing", but primarily against people who weren't playing in the spirit of the game.

  ice-vortex

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OP  6/21/13 1:01:21 AM#36
Originally posted by dandurin
Originally posted by ice-vortex

One of the most telling Smedley quotes is this one:

"We want them to… Not make their own fun. We’re going to make our games amazingly fun. We want them to be able to make things we didn’t think of fun. That’s really what it is. I mentioned Hulkageddon, I love that in EVE. That’s just players putting bounties on something. It’s nothing. That’s all it is. But that’s as fun as anything in EVE. More fun if you ask me. It’s amazingly fun."

Hulkageddon is a player PVP event in EVE where players are given prizes to go into highsec and gank mining ships. By all accounts those in highsec are the ones trying to avoid pvp because it is the safest region. People that want PVE would for all accounts describe this event is just pure griefing. Yet Smedley calls it 'amazingly fun'.

I thought the point of Hulkageddon was that highsec miners were extensively botting and this was a fun way to clean up that little wart.

 

My understanding was that if you weren't AFK it would be fairly easy to avoid being victimized.

 

So perhaps this was "griefing", but primarily against people who weren't playing in the spirit of the game.

Nope, it isn't just mining ships they go after either. It's freighters and industrial ships. It's just that mining ships are the easiest to take down so they are the targets for the prizes. There are even tips to try and outfit your ship to defend against it. It just doesn't work out too well for them. Guilds have tried to setup unified defenses against it as well, but the games play on.

  dandurin

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6/21/13 1:24:18 AM#37
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by dandurin
 

So perhaps this was "griefing", but primarily against people who weren't playing in the spirit of the game.

Nope, it isn't just mining ships they go after either. It's freighters and industrial ships. It's just that mining ships are the easiest to take down so they are the targets that are awarded for prizes. There are even tips to try and outfit your ship to defend against it. It just doesn't work out too well for them. Guilds have tried to setup unified defenses against it as well, but the games play on.

Well, so you say, but the name is "Hulkageddon" for a reason, and the organizer had specific goals for creating it.

 

Helicity Boson's posts are public record.  Here's one:

 

Very good! You studied, adapted, and overcame. You are the kind of player that belongs in EVE. We’ve killed almost 800 ships now, and very few have even sent a hatemail or talked in local, in many cases the pods were present in the belt up to 5 hours later. This lead me to conclude they were one of three things:
1) nowhere near their computer
2) bots
3) not educated enough to find out who killed them.

People like you were never the target :)

 

I'm sure the pure griefers join in and seek to gank everything in sight, but you don't know that that's what Smedley likes about the event.

  ice-vortex

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OP  6/21/13 1:28:10 AM#38
Originally posted by dandurin
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by dandurin
 

So perhaps this was "griefing", but primarily against people who weren't playing in the spirit of the game.

Nope, it isn't just mining ships they go after either. It's freighters and industrial ships. It's just that mining ships are the easiest to take down so they are the targets that are awarded for prizes. There are even tips to try and outfit your ship to defend against it. It just doesn't work out too well for them. Guilds have tried to setup unified defenses against it as well, but the games play on.

Well, so you say, but the name is "Hulkageddon" for a reason, and the organizer had specific goals for creating it.

 

Helicity Boson's posts are public record.  Here's one:

 

Very good! You studied, adapted, and overcame. You are the kind of player that belongs in EVE. We’ve killed almost 800 ships now, and very few have even sent a hatemail or talked in local, in many cases the pods were present in the belt up to 5 hours later. This lead me to conclude they were one of three things:
1) nowhere near their computer
2) bots
3) not educated enough to find out who killed them.

People like you were never the target :)

 

I'm sure the pure griefers join in and seek to gank everything in sight, but you don't know that that's what Smedley likes about the event.

We know it's an absolutely hated event among people who stay in highsec. Just read the rage in the threads over it.

  DocBrody

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6/21/13 1:31:31 AM#39

Maybe we finally get Darkfall/Mortal Online type gameplay with a triple A budget?

that would be too good to be true. Non consensual PvP as social interaction driver

I´m sick of the people ruining MMOs who demand their "only pve" playstyle.

Not a single high budget realistic MMO out there except EvE.

 

  ice-vortex

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OP  6/21/13 1:36:04 AM#40

The only argument against having a PVP pillar in EQNext is that the PVE-only crowd doesn't want it. That's not a very good argument, and probably wouldn't be from the point of view of SOE. They already have four or five popular PVE MMORPGs and a PVP MMOFPS that is now higher in player base than all of them. Why wouldn't they want a PVP MMORPG in their portfolio?

I don't want Darkfall Online/Mortal Online gameplay, those games are horrible.

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