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  GeezerGamer

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Posts: 4637

6/13/13 1:47:40 PM#121
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

OK, I've gone back in and have done a deeper investigation. I have actually found P2W in Rift. Seriously. It's there. Those players who will continue to pay a monthly subscription will in fact gain advantages unavailable to anyone else.

Liar ! You actually made me click on their store ! :)

Not sure if it's in the store.

I was referring to this

http://www.riftgame.com/en/store/#patron

 

When I was a kid growing up, the Lottery system used to run a series of ads using the slogan "You can't win if you don't play."

So, looking at the priority queue bonus for Subsription members, Right there, it's pay to win.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Aroukos

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Joined: 6/13/13
Posts: 584

6/13/13 1:50:36 PM#122
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

OK, I've gone back in and have done a deeper investigation. I have actually found P2W in Rift. Seriously. It's there. Those players who will continue to pay a monthly subscription will in fact gain advantages unavailable to anyone else.

 

Yes sir! This is indeed P2W! Keep up the good job :)

  Wraithone

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Joined: 7/09/04
Posts: 3566

If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

6/13/13 2:02:12 PM#123
Originally posted by thinktank001
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

What do you guys really want? A "Triple A" MMORPG that has no means of earning any money what so ever?

 

 

Players want a cash shop built correctly, and not one that relies on supremacy goods and other game breaking item shop purchases.

Looking at whats available, I'm having a very difficult time, finding the "supremacy goods"... ^^  Perhaps you would care to provide some examples?  All of the things I'm seeing, are rather below what can be gained from runs through various upper level dungeons, let alone the raids.

  korent1991

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Joined: 5/01/09
Posts: 1405

6/13/13 2:09:03 PM#124
Originally posted by Hatefull
Originally posted by Shadowguy64

I wish there was a way to identify players who buy their gear so I can point at them and laugh at them.

 

"Hey Bob, I see you paid for your gear. Way to go man. You're pretty pro."

lol that would be funny.  Everything else about the game I like, more or less, but this was a ridiculous move imo.  Selling gear never ends well.

To the ones that say its just starter, yeah it lets you skip all the expert dungeons...do you know the other reason(s) for running experts?  To learn some boss mechanics, to learn to play your toon etc etc.  Leveling and raiding are way different specs...unless you have no clue about either.

 

Anyway, yeah pay2win(ish) is about as far as I will bend on this one.

you don't have to play the game... also, if the shop wont sell the actual gear or recieve a huge backlash, they'll probably remove it ?

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  sycofiend

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Joined: 4/07/11
Posts: 127

6/13/13 2:15:56 PM#125

Lack of thinking things through FTL,

 

The haters in this thread are missing two really big and glaring obvious points

1. Trion is not a philanthropy organization out to make games at their expense for the good of MMO players everywhere .. they are a business and  how exactly do you suppose they keep developers on staff, servers running and internet bills paid with a Free 2 play game ?? Sure it doesn't *have* to be gear, but that also plays into #2

2. Longevity and ability for new players to join .. one of the big downsides of the gear-based progression MMO's is that if you are late to the party, chances are you will have one hell of time getting caught up on gear enough to even GO on the current raids, and in most cases guilds tire of end eventually stop raiding old content, which creates a catch-22. New players cant get the gear they need to raid without doing raiding, but nobody is doing the lesser raids anymore.

to me in makes sense to make the entry level gear purchasable, and keep top-end gear droppable. Its a win-win,  new players can get right in and participate, keeping the game fresh and alive, Trion gets funding .. keeping the game funded and alive.

 

Quite frankly I don't see your problem, if you have the time and will and freinds to achieve without spending a dime, Bravo, why do you even care what others do ??  Well one reason might be if Trion cannot fund the game anymore ... they shut down and you wont be playing any more yourself.

 

THINK PEOPLE !

  IceAge

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Joined: 8/23/05
Posts: 996

6/13/13 2:47:42 PM#126
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

OK, I've gone back in and have done a deeper investigation. I have actually found P2W in Rift. Seriously. It's there. Those players who will continue to pay a monthly subscription will in fact gain advantages unavailable to anyone else.

Liar ! You actually made me click on their store ! :)

Not sure if it's in the store.

I was referring to this

http://www.riftgame.com/en/store/#patron

 

When I was a kid growing up, the Lottery system used to run a series of ads using the slogan "You can't win if you don't play."

So, looking at the priority queue bonus for Subsription members, Right there, it's pay to win.

While I am VERY against the P2W cash-shop , I am afraid that the "subscription" I see there, is not (that) P2W. I am all for XP, Drop boost , and stuff like that in the favor of having.......GEAR! 

10-15% of XP, Reputation, Mount Speed, etc it's OK for a F2P title. However, this does not change the fact that I see Rift as a P2W because of the Gear they sell in the cash-shop.

Whoever says that Trion is a business company and that they somehow needs to earn some money, I agree. But there are better ways to earn good money and also keep the players for a far more period of time, connected to the game.

Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
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  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4637

6/13/13 2:51:54 PM#127
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

OK, I've gone back in and have done a deeper investigation. I have actually found P2W in Rift. Seriously. It's there. Those players who will continue to pay a monthly subscription will in fact gain advantages unavailable to anyone else.

Liar ! You actually made me click on their store ! :)

Not sure if it's in the store.

I was referring to this

http://www.riftgame.com/en/store/#patron

 

When I was a kid growing up, the Lottery system used to run a series of ads using the slogan "You can't win if you don't play."

So, looking at the priority queue bonus for Subsription members, Right there, it's pay to win.

While I am VERY against the P2W cash-shop , I am afraid that the "subscription" I see there, is not (that) P2W. I am all for XP, Drop boost , and stuff like that in the favor of having.......GEAR! 

10-15% of XP, Reputation, Mount Speed, etc it's OK for a F2P title. However, this does not change the fact that I see Rift as a P2W because of the Gear they sell in the cash-shop.

Whoever says that Trion is a business company and that they somehow needs to earn some money, I agree. But there are better ways to earn good money and also keep the players for a far more period of time, connected to the game.

Yes, it is difficult to call it P2W, however, for those who pay, there is more advantage here, then in the cash shop.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  IceAge

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/23/05
Posts: 996

6/13/13 3:07:03 PM#128
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

OK, I've gone back in and have done a deeper investigation. I have actually found P2W in Rift. Seriously. It's there. Those players who will continue to pay a monthly subscription will in fact gain advantages unavailable to anyone else.

Liar ! You actually made me click on their store ! :)

Not sure if it's in the store.

I was referring to this

http://www.riftgame.com/en/store/#patron

 

When I was a kid growing up, the Lottery system used to run a series of ads using the slogan "You can't win if you don't play."

So, looking at the priority queue bonus for Subsription members, Right there, it's pay to win.

While I am VERY against the P2W cash-shop , I am afraid that the "subscription" I see there, is not (that) P2W. I am all for XP, Drop boost , and stuff like that in the favor of having.......GEAR! 

10-15% of XP, Reputation, Mount Speed, etc it's OK for a F2P title. However, this does not change the fact that I see Rift as a P2W because of the Gear they sell in the cash-shop.

Whoever says that Trion is a business company and that they somehow needs to earn some money, I agree. But there are better ways to earn good money and also keep the players for a far more period of time, connected to the game.

Yes, it is difficult to call it P2W, however, for those who pay, there is more advantage here, then in the cash shop.

10-15% in plus for XP , currency drop, Reputation, etc is like a free player needs to play 10 hours, beside 9 , as a "subscription" player, which is not THAT bad. 

However, if a player pays X amount of cash, in order to get a lvl 60 set gear , which normally should takes weeks to obtain it in-game, than that is P2W, in the 'face" of a free player. 

Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
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  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4637

6/13/13 3:09:39 PM#129
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

OK, I've gone back in and have done a deeper investigation. I have actually found P2W in Rift. Seriously. It's there. Those players who will continue to pay a monthly subscription will in fact gain advantages unavailable to anyone else.

Liar ! You actually made me click on their store ! :)

Not sure if it's in the store.

I was referring to this

http://www.riftgame.com/en/store/#patron

 

When I was a kid growing up, the Lottery system used to run a series of ads using the slogan "You can't win if you don't play."

So, looking at the priority queue bonus for Subsription members, Right there, it's pay to win.

While I am VERY against the P2W cash-shop , I am afraid that the "subscription" I see there, is not (that) P2W. I am all for XP, Drop boost , and stuff like that in the favor of having.......GEAR! 

10-15% of XP, Reputation, Mount Speed, etc it's OK for a F2P title. However, this does not change the fact that I see Rift as a P2W because of the Gear they sell in the cash-shop.

Whoever says that Trion is a business company and that they somehow needs to earn some money, I agree. But there are better ways to earn good money and also keep the players for a far more period of time, connected to the game.

Yes, it is difficult to call it P2W, however, for those who pay, there is more advantage here, then in the cash shop.

10-15% in plus for XP , currency drop, Reputation, etc is like a free player needs to play 10 hours, beside 9 , as a "subscription" player, which is not THAT bad. 

However, if a player pays X amount of cash, in order to get a lvl 60 set gear , which normally should takes weeks to obtain it in-game, than that is P2W, in the 'face" of a free player. 

and then the free player can run some dungeons for a week or two and get the gear for free "In the face of the player who paid for it"

 

 

MMOs require 3 things from a player

1. Money

2. Time

3. Motivation

 

Now Trion has said, OK you don't have all 3. Then we are going to allow you to shift 2 of the 3 to account for the lack of the 3rd. So now all you need is any 2 of this equation and the 3rd is optional.

Don't have money...got you coverd, you can take longer to get there, but you can get there if you want.

Don't have Time, good, your money and motivation can make up for the lack of time.

Don't have motivation. Fine...Cash shop caters to the lazy too but it will cost more and probably take longer.

Now, if you can't even come up with at least  two out of the 3, it's time to move on. Because at this point, what you would need, actually become game breaking for the players who can meet the requirements.

 

 

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Hatefull

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Joined: 6/09/04
Posts: 748

Your tears make my gun work better.

 
OP  6/13/13 3:22:45 PM#130
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Hatefull

Literally within 5 minutes of reaching level 60 (max atm) you can buy all the gear you need to raid.  I thought we weren't going pay to win Trion?  what happened there?  I know you can buy your PvP kit as well not sure what impact that will have, but I am sure it won't be all that great.

Why sell gear at all?  It is so unnecessary, sell mounts, pets, wardrobe and dimension (think housing) items and you will make heaps.  But selling start raiding armor and weapons, to me that is exactly what paytowin is.  

Just my opinions, I am sure most will disagree, but this game, just broke for me.

Half information is bad and makes you look bad. The gear you are talking about is entry level gear to help people get ready for more challenging stuff.

I will never understand why you people do this everytime? post mis information without making any effort to first educate yourself on facts?

It is a fact, you can buy entry level gear, buy the stones to upgrade it and have the stats to raid. [mod edit]

If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  IceAge

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Joined: 8/23/05
Posts: 996

6/13/13 3:24:26 PM#131
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

OK, I've gone back in and have done a deeper investigation. I have actually found P2W in Rift. Seriously. It's there. Those players who will continue to pay a monthly subscription will in fact gain advantages unavailable to anyone else.

Liar ! You actually made me click on their store ! :)

Not sure if it's in the store.

I was referring to this

http://www.riftgame.com/en/store/#patron

 

When I was a kid growing up, the Lottery system used to run a series of ads using the slogan "You can't win if you don't play."

So, looking at the priority queue bonus for Subsription members, Right there, it's pay to win.

While I am VERY against the P2W cash-shop , I am afraid that the "subscription" I see there, is not (that) P2W. I am all for XP, Drop boost , and stuff like that in the favor of having.......GEAR! 

10-15% of XP, Reputation, Mount Speed, etc it's OK for a F2P title. However, this does not change the fact that I see Rift as a P2W because of the Gear they sell in the cash-shop.

Whoever says that Trion is a business company and that they somehow needs to earn some money, I agree. But there are better ways to earn good money and also keep the players for a far more period of time, connected to the game.

Yes, it is difficult to call it P2W, however, for those who pay, there is more advantage here, then in the cash shop.

10-15% in plus for XP , currency drop, Reputation, etc is like a free player needs to play 10 hours, beside 9 , as a "subscription" player, which is not THAT bad. 

However, if a player pays X amount of cash, in order to get a lvl 60 set gear , which normally should takes weeks to obtain it in-game, than that is P2W, in the 'face" of a free player. 

and then the free player can run some dungeons for a week or two and get the gear for free "In the face of the player who paid for it"

And in the same time, the player who paid for the gear which the free player still doing that dungeon, to get it, could run better dungeons to acquired even better gear ( or wait till a better gear will be available in the cash-shop :) ). So in the end, we are talking about how much time a free player needs to spend in order to stay somehow close to a player who spend real-cash in the shop. If we are talking about hours, or even few days, that might be ok, but if we are talking about weeks, or even months, then that's not ok. 

Can a Rift player enlighten me, as much time a normal player would spend,getting the lvl 60 gear which is also found in the shop for real money, by doing dungeons? Do the dungeons have a cooldown? If yes, for how long? What are the chances to get 1 set item per run?

I will appreciate a fair answer, as I want to get off this thread :)

Thank you!

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  Vannor

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6/13/13 3:32:04 PM#132
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by CrazKanuk
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by Hatefull

Literally within 5 minutes of reaching level 60 (max atm) you can buy all the gear you need to raid.  I thought we weren't going pay to win Trion?  what happened there?  I know you can buy your PvP kit as well not sure what impact that will have, but I am sure it won't be all that great.

Why sell gear at all?  It is so unnecessary, sell mounts, pets, wardrobe and dimension (think housing) items and you will make heaps.  But selling start raiding armor and weapons, to me that is exactly what paytowin is.  

Just my opinions, I am sure most will disagree, but this game, just broke for me.

Listen to me very carefully, my friend. What you see now in the cash shop it's nothing, compared with how the CS will "look-like" in the upcoming months. This is how they start. At first, they told you that selling X,Y,Z item is fine and it's not P2W and that it gives new players (noobs) a "possibility", to catch up with the elders. 

After few months , guess what? "BUY NOW - This limited item(pack) which will helps you "kill them all" ! YOU don't want to lose this. Only 99.99$. Bonus : 3 Scrolls which increase your attack by 9999 for 2 hours and a Thank you for playing Rift " .

Run! I am not joking!  Run...

Lol, +1 for hilarity.

PS Sorry if you're being serious, maybe my sarcasm detector is off today. 

Indeed, my post had some .. hilarity in it , special when explained about the "shop item". But on a serious note, sooner or later, we may see more powerful items in the cash shop. 

For the guy above you : Well , are you a teenager ? If yes, then make a group (party) and try ... to mug me. You will succeed in .. having a wipe.

No, I'm not a teenager. I get the impression you only read the first sentence of my reply and not the note under it. Well done.

  GeezerGamer

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6/13/13 3:33:38 PM#133
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

OK, I've gone back in and have done a deeper investigation. I have actually found P2W in Rift. Seriously. It's there. Those players who will continue to pay a monthly subscription will in fact gain advantages unavailable to anyone else.

Liar ! You actually made me click on their store ! :)

Not sure if it's in the store.

I was referring to this

http://www.riftgame.com/en/store/#patron

 

When I was a kid growing up, the Lottery system used to run a series of ads using the slogan "You can't win if you don't play."

So, looking at the priority queue bonus for Subsription members, Right there, it's pay to win.

While I am VERY against the P2W cash-shop , I am afraid that the "subscription" I see there, is not (that) P2W. I am all for XP, Drop boost , and stuff like that in the favor of having.......GEAR! 

10-15% of XP, Reputation, Mount Speed, etc it's OK for a F2P title. However, this does not change the fact that I see Rift as a P2W because of the Gear they sell in the cash-shop.

Whoever says that Trion is a business company and that they somehow needs to earn some money, I agree. But there are better ways to earn good money and also keep the players for a far more period of time, connected to the game.

Yes, it is difficult to call it P2W, however, for those who pay, there is more advantage here, then in the cash shop.

10-15% in plus for XP , currency drop, Reputation, etc is like a free player needs to play 10 hours, beside 9 , as a "subscription" player, which is not THAT bad. 

However, if a player pays X amount of cash, in order to get a lvl 60 set gear , which normally should takes weeks to obtain it in-game, than that is P2W, in the 'face" of a free player. 

and then the free player can run some dungeons for a week or two and get the gear for free "In the face of the player who paid for it"

And in the same time, the player who paid for the gear which the free player still doing that dungeon, to get it, could run better dungeons to acquired even better gear ( or wait till a better gear will be available in the cash-shop :) ). So in the end, we are talking about how much time a free player needs to spend in order to stay somehow close to a player who spend real-cash in the shop. If we are talking about hours, or even few days, that might be ok, but if we are talking about weeks, or even months, then that's not ok. 

Can a Rift player enlighten me, as much time a normal player would spend,getting the lvl 60 gear which is also found in the shop for real money, by doing dungeons? Do the dungeons have a cooldown? If yes, for how long? What are the chances to get 1 set item per run?

I will appreciate a fair answer, as I want to get off this thread :)

Thank you!

If I bought the gear, how's that affect your game? If I dungeon grind for gear, how does that affect your game?

The answer to your question BTW is simple. That $15/mo it used to cost you to play Rift that you can now pocket for yourself, is covered by that guy who bought his gear that didn't affect you one way or another.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5548

6/13/13 3:36:45 PM#134
I think the gear could be considered P2W if you want to get technical about it. But I think it's such a tiny advantage considering how easy it is to obtain the gear that I don't care that it's there. Actually, if I was playing free, it's one of those things I would be glad people are paying for so that I can play the game for free since it's so minor.

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  IceAge

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Joined: 8/23/05
Posts: 996

6/13/13 3:38:29 PM#135
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

OK, I've gone back in and have done a deeper investigation. I have actually found P2W in Rift. Seriously. It's there. Those players who will continue to pay a monthly subscription will in fact gain advantages unavailable to anyone else.

Liar ! You actually made me click on their store ! :)

Not sure if it's in the store.

I was referring to this

http://www.riftgame.com/en/store/#patron

 

When I was a kid growing up, the Lottery system used to run a series of ads using the slogan "You can't win if you don't play."

So, looking at the priority queue bonus for Subsription members, Right there, it's pay to win.

While I am VERY against the P2W cash-shop , I am afraid that the "subscription" I see there, is not (that) P2W. I am all for XP, Drop boost , and stuff like that in the favor of having.......GEAR! 

10-15% of XP, Reputation, Mount Speed, etc it's OK for a F2P title. However, this does not change the fact that I see Rift as a P2W because of the Gear they sell in the cash-shop.

Whoever says that Trion is a business company and that they somehow needs to earn some money, I agree. But there are better ways to earn good money and also keep the players for a far more period of time, connected to the game.

Yes, it is difficult to call it P2W, however, for those who pay, there is more advantage here, then in the cash shop.

10-15% in plus for XP , currency drop, Reputation, etc is like a free player needs to play 10 hours, beside 9 , as a "subscription" player, which is not THAT bad. 

However, if a player pays X amount of cash, in order to get a lvl 60 set gear , which normally should takes weeks to obtain it in-game, than that is P2W, in the 'face" of a free player. 

and then the free player can run some dungeons for a week or two and get the gear for free "In the face of the player who paid for it"

And in the same time, the player who paid for the gear which the free player still doing that dungeon, to get it, could run better dungeons to acquired even better gear ( or wait till a better gear will be available in the cash-shop :) ). So in the end, we are talking about how much time a free player needs to spend in order to stay somehow close to a player who spend real-cash in the shop. If we are talking about hours, or even few days, that might be ok, but if we are talking about weeks, or even months, then that's not ok. 

Can a Rift player enlighten me, as much time a normal player would spend,getting the lvl 60 gear which is also found in the shop for real money, by doing dungeons? Do the dungeons have a cooldown? If yes, for how long? What are the chances to get 1 set item per run?

I will appreciate a fair answer, as I want to get off this thread :)

Thank you!

If I bought the gear, how's that affect your game? If I dungeon grind for gear, how does that affect your game?

The answer to your question BTW is simple. That $15/mo it used to cost you to play Rift that you can now pocket for yourself, is covered by that guy who bought his gear that didn't affect you one way or another.

It's simple! Advantage in front of other player. It may affect my game play, directly or indirectly. In Dungeos, PvP, "Grinding" much faster then me, getting through content much faster then me, and the list may go on. 

To the guy above you : For such a reply you gave me earlier, I should have not bother writing, nor reading, so say thanks!

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  Vannor

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Joined: 8/11/03
Posts: 2995

6/13/13 3:40:55 PM#136
Originally posted by IceAge

To the guy above you : For such a reply you gave me earlier, I should have not bother writing, nor reading, so say thanks!

Whatever, you obviously don't know what an analogy is and have taken it the wrong way. We'll leave it at that.

  Gravarg

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Joined: 8/24/06
Posts: 3096

6/13/13 3:43:16 PM#137

I don't see how it's pay to win, when you're not winning anything by paying...You get gear so you're ready to raid...gear I've haven't had for awhile now lol.

 

People need to learn that Pay to Win really only concerns PvP.  In PvE you're not going to win at anything :)

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5548

6/13/13 3:44:18 PM#138
Originally posted by Gravarg

I don't see how it's pay to win, when you're not winning anything by paying...You get gear so you're ready to raid...gear I've haven't had for awhile now lol.

 

People need to learn that Pay to Win really only concerns PvP.  In PvE you're not going to win at anything :)

I'd find it unacceptable if they added top tier raid gear to the shop.

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  Fusion

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Joined: 5/21/03
Posts: 1359

6/13/13 3:44:36 PM#139

Still, to this day, there are people who don't grasp the meaning of PAY TO WIN?...

TBH, i'm not surprised, with the idiocracy of the modern generation..

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  Gravarg

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6/13/13 3:46:34 PM#140
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Gravarg

I don't see how it's pay to win, when you're not winning anything by paying...You get gear so you're ready to raid...gear I've haven't had for awhile now lol.

 

People need to learn that Pay to Win really only concerns PvP.  In PvE you're not going to win at anything :)

I'd find it unacceptable if they added top tier raid gear to the shop.

Yeah, that'd be kinda pay to win, but still not winning anything, I guess bragging rights?  Rift is far from P2W since the gear you can buy is pretty cruddy anyways compared to what my characters have hehe.

 

Cash Shop with gear doesn't automatically make a game pay to win...which I think alot of people think.

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