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  actionreaction

Novice Member

Joined: 6/06/13
Posts: 100

6/10/13 2:43:55 PM#21

Just reiterate my answer to the OP

 

Hey I'll explain to you friend why you enjoy WOW ( and the other 8 million )

here let's have... Nancy MacIntyre, the game’s senior director of Star Wars Galaxies explain the benefits of a WOW like system!

We really just needed to make the game a lot more accessible to a much broader player base. There was lots of reading, much too much, in the game. There was a lot of wandering around learning about different abilities. We really needed to give people the experience of being Han Solo or Luke Skywalker rather than being Uncle Owen, the moisture farmer. We wanted more instant gratification: kill, get treasure, repeat. We needed to give people more of an opportunity to be a part of what they have seen in the movies rather than something they had created themselves.

So pretty much to break it down

GOOD FOR PLAYER BASE

  • NO READING/ LESS READING
  • NO WANDERING/LESS WANDERING
  • NO LEARNING/LESS LEARNING
  • INSTANT GRATIFICATION (KILL-LOOT-REPEAT)
  • LUKE SKYWALKER NOT UNCLE OWEN
  • PLAYERS DON'T CREATE (SANDBOX) - PLAYERS PLAY ( THEMEPARK )

WINNING

  Randayn

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Joined: 7/16/12
Posts: 660

 
OP  6/10/13 2:50:24 PM#22
Originally posted by Purutzil

Except it really doesn't have 'that much' unless you are goig to talk about past content that was made trivialized, then you can go to games say everquest 1 and have a lot more. 

There game has aged in a rather stale way. Its thrown out good (not perfect mind you) design choices and basically downgraded. Its quite sad to talk to my ex (a girl who wasn't at all a big raider) who pretty much says she is bored of the game having all the best gear without touching a raid or putting much effort.

 

The fact you mention' not an employee' only makes me think you are one as a side note, no real reason to state that. Only other thing would be people think you are a casual who barely plays MMos... which eh, not your fault you aren't really experienced with a lot of games, not everyone is a hardcore gamer so playing wow since you got friends who did, it makes sense you might find some enjoyment, specially if your nostalgia is high enough to ignore the terrible choices they made with it. For me? Hell no, they destroyed that game. Without that, the game itself is poorly aged and no matter what features they try taking into the game (which to their defense, its hard to add in a lot of those systems into an older game) it won't be able to have the same effect.

I agree it's no vanilla WoW, but you are comparing the game to itself, rather than the game to other games.  I wouldn't consider myself hardcore, but I probably get over 20 hours of gaming in a week and I've played almost EVERY MMO that wasn't designed in Asia (too many of those MMO's to think that I've played them all).  After playing all these MMO's, Im constantly reminded of how WoW is a cut above the rest...

That's not to say that if Anarchy Online FINALLY updated their graphic engine I wouldnt run right back to that and drop WoW quickly....I will.  But for now, I have more fun playing WoW than I do playing other games.  that's good enough for me.

  MajiinX

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Joined: 5/30/07
Posts: 85

6/10/13 3:01:18 PM#23

I love all the blind hate(jealousy?) that goes on towards WoW. Yes the game is user friendly and easy to get into but the high end content is VERY challenging only a very small percentage of guilds are able to do hard mode content not that I really care for PvE as I only PvP now days. WoW also has extremely smooth combat mechanics. It also has an awesome competitive PvP system that is almost totally separate from pve I really enjoy arena and rated BGs. And one thing that WoW lacks that I greatly appreciate is load times most MMOs are plagued with load times and instanced zones. Wow is a totally seamless world and even going from continent to continent only takes seconds. Vs games like EQ2 and SWTOR which have load times that can last up to 5 minutes, i'm not even joking here. Blizzard also has the best customer service i've ever experienced they handle issues fast and efficiently and are extremely professional. WoW also has a ton of mini games too which I don't like but they add more flavor the game has a little something for everybody there is always something to do. And its also alt friendly with heirlooms and linked achievements and account wide mounts. Oh and lets not forget WoWs content updates WoWs content updates are bigger then some MMOs expansion packs and they pump updates out almost ever 3 months.

Seriously don't let the WoW hate discourage you the truth of the matter is there is a reason why WoW still has 8 million subs and almost every other MMO has had to go F2P to save it. Its because its the most polished game with an amazing amount of content and with things like battle pets and transmoging people are revisiting old content all the time theres always something to do and always people to play with.

Just enjoy the game and who cares what the haters say after all if they were playing a decent MMO that they enjoyed they wouldn't have to spend time trolling WoW forums.  I've played all the other MMOs WoW is head and shoulders above anything else out there let the haters hate while they sit around waiting for "The Next Big Thing" which we all know in our hearts is going to be Titan :)

  Holice

Novice Member

Joined: 1/12/08
Posts: 118

6/10/13 3:04:30 PM#24
Originally posted by actionreactionSo pretty much to break it down

GOOD FOR PLAYER BASE

  • NO READING/ LESS READING - Most people I know, live busy lives with families, work and friends, so the more time they can spend "doing" and the less time, sitting in one spot reading the more fun they have.
  • NO WANDERING/LESS WANDERING
  • NO LEARNING/LESS LEARNING - Easy to learn, hard to master, that is the way many games are today, including wow. Face rolling rarely works, and the best of the best in PVP or PVE take the time to optimize. But thankfully, those less involved still get 90% of the class involved in their play sessions and never feel useless or lost.
  • INSTANT GRATIFICATION (KILL-LOOT-REPEAT) - Games are supposed to be fun. Hours of travel is not fun. Killing 1000 skeletons for one drop is not fun. Waiting for 3 hours for a spawn, then having someone tag it and get the credit is not fun. Again it comes down to time available as well.
  • LUKE SKYWALKER NOT UNCLE OWEN - Who wouldn't want to be? And for those that do prefer Uncle Owen, there has always been crafter routes and other in game play styles(Like housing in games) to appease those appetites.
  • PLAYERS DON'T CREATE (SANDBOX) - PLAYERS PLAY ( THEMEPARK ) - Sandbox is fun to some. Themepark to others. EVE is disliked by more people than play it, does that make it a bad game? No. Because to each their own.

WINNING

Comments in red.

Maybe you have countless hours to sit by a computer screen playing games, but many more do not. Maybe you like to stress and sweat in a game, but others have real life that gives them enough stress, that they want to relax during leisure time. That doesn't make WoW or ToR a bad a game.

  Laughing-man

Elite Member

Joined: 4/23/09
Posts: 3360

I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

6/10/13 3:06:04 PM#25
Originally posted by Randayn
last time I checked this ain't webmd....

Sure isn't, a lot of people seem to enjoy derailing your thread and going off topic.

I'm glad you are enjoying WoW OP, as so many others are.  Its great when people can try things unbiased and actually enjoy themselves.  Take note other jaded mmorpgers.

  actionreaction

Novice Member

Joined: 6/06/13
Posts: 100

6/10/13 3:07:44 PM#26
Originally posted by Holice
Originally posted by actionreactionSo pretty much to break it down

GOOD FOR PLAYER BASE

  • NO READING/ LESS READING - Most people I know, live busy lives with families, work and friends, so the more time they can spend "doing" and the less time, sitting in one spot reading the more fun they have.
  • NO WANDERING/LESS WANDERING
  • NO LEARNING/LESS LEARNING - Easy to learn, hard to master, that is the way many games are today, including wow. Face rolling rarely works, and the best of the best in PVP or PVE take the time to optimize. But thankfully, those less involved still get 90% of the class involved in their play sessions and never feel useless or lost.
  • INSTANT GRATIFICATION (KILL-LOOT-REPEAT) - Games are supposed to be fun. Hours of travel is not fun. Killing 1000 skeletons for one drop is not fun. Waiting for 3 hours for a spawn, then having someone tag it and get the credit is not fun. Again it comes down to time available as well.
  • LUKE SKYWALKER NOT UNCLE OWEN - Who wouldn't want to be? And for those that do prefer Uncle Owen, there has always been crafter routes and other in game play styles(Like housing in games) to appease those appetites.
  • PLAYERS DON'T CREATE (SANDBOX) - PLAYERS PLAY ( THEMEPARK ) - Sandbox is fun to some. Themepark to others. EVE is disliked by more people than play it, does that make it a bad game? No. Because to each their own.

WINNING

Comments in red.

Maybe you have countless hours to sit by a computer screen playing games, but many more do not. Maybe you like to stress and sweat in a game, but others have real life that gives them enough stress, that they want to relax during leisure time. That doesn't make WoW or ToR a bad a game.

Actually, Math says face rolling does work in WOW because of horribly designed tier power progress.

 

GG BUDDY>

  Randayn

Elite Member

Joined: 7/16/12
Posts: 660

 
OP  6/10/13 3:09:47 PM#27
Originally posted by Holice
Originally posted by actionreactionSo pretty much to break it down

GOOD FOR PLAYER BASE

  • NO READING/ LESS READING - Most people I know, live busy lives with families, work and friends, so the more time they can spend "doing" and the less time, sitting in one spot reading the more fun they have.
  • NO WANDERING/LESS WANDERING
  • NO LEARNING/LESS LEARNING - Easy to learn, hard to master, that is the way many games are today, including wow. Face rolling rarely works, and the best of the best in PVP or PVE take the time to optimize. But thankfully, those less involved still get 90% of the class involved in their play sessions and never feel useless or lost.
  • INSTANT GRATIFICATION (KILL-LOOT-REPEAT) - Games are supposed to be fun. Hours of travel is not fun. Killing 1000 skeletons for one drop is not fun. Waiting for 3 hours for a spawn, then having someone tag it and get the credit is not fun. Again it comes down to time available as well.
  • LUKE SKYWALKER NOT UNCLE OWEN - Who wouldn't want to be? And for those that do prefer Uncle Owen, there has always been crafter routes and other in game play styles(Like housing in games) to appease those appetites.
  • PLAYERS DON'T CREATE (SANDBOX) - PLAYERS PLAY ( THEMEPARK ) - Sandbox is fun to some. Themepark to others. EVE is disliked by more people than play it, does that make it a bad game? No. Because to each their own.

WINNING

Comments in red.

Maybe you have countless hours to sit by a computer screen playing games, but many more do not. Maybe you like to stress and sweat in a game, but others have real life that gives them enough stress, that they want to relax during leisure time. That doesn't make WoW or ToR a bad a game.

^ This....agreed 100%.

-  I read real books...don't need to read in a game...

- I work 10 hour days, for half the month over and over to collect 1 paycheck each cycle....don't need to feel the same in a game.  

- I can go in my backyard and dig holes and build all day....don't need that in my gaming.  

Gaming is an escape from real life for me...not my only life.

  Shadowguy64

Novice Member

Joined: 4/11/13
Posts: 880

6/10/13 3:09:57 PM#28
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Randayn
last time I checked this ain't webmd....

Sure isn't, a lot of people seem to enjoy derailing your thread and going off topic.

I'm glad you are enjoying WoW OP, as so many others are.  Its great when people can try things unbiased and actually enjoy themselves.  Take note other jaded mmorpgers.

 

No kidding. You know what this thread resembles?

 

"Hey guys! I just got engaged!! She's the best thing to ever happen to me! I'm so happy!"

 

"Bah, you're just going to get divorced. Soda is bad for you too."

  Randayn

Elite Member

Joined: 7/16/12
Posts: 660

 
OP  6/10/13 3:11:25 PM#29
Originally posted by Shadowguy64
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Randayn
last time I checked this ain't webmd....

Sure isn't, a lot of people seem to enjoy derailing your thread and going off topic.

I'm glad you are enjoying WoW OP, as so many others are.  Its great when people can try things unbiased and actually enjoy themselves.  Take note other jaded mmorpgers.

 

No kidding. You know what this thread resembles?

 

"Hey guys! I just got engaged!! She's the best thing to ever happen to me! I'm so happy!"

 

"Bah, you're just going to get divorced. Soda is bad for you too."

HAAHHAHAHA

  Vaross

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Joined: 6/21/12
Posts: 392

6/10/13 3:20:11 PM#30
Keep this thread on topic please.
  Holice

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Joined: 1/12/08
Posts: 118

6/10/13 3:57:49 PM#31
Originally posted by actionreaction
 

Actually, Math says face rolling does work in WOW because of horribly designed tier power progress.

 

GG BUDDY>

What? At equal tier & gear, the better skilled player still wins. Face roll is when I can just literally push any button and guarantee a win. Raid content requires movement, ie pay attention aka not facerolling. And PvP content is still skill based aside from certain class perks, but class vs class skill dominates.

  Blitzwolfe

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Joined: 2/19/13
Posts: 41

6/11/13 6:52:32 AM#32
Originally posted by actionreaction

Hey I'll explain to you friend why you enjoy WOW ( and the other 8 million )

 

here let's have... Nancy MacIntyre, the game’s senior director of Star Wars Galaxies explain the benefits of a WOW like system!

 

We really just needed to make the game a lot more accessible to a much broader player base. There was lots of reading, much too much, in the game. There was a lot of wandering around learning about different abilities. We really needed to give people the experience of being Han Solo or Luke Skywalker rather than being Uncle Owen, the moisture farmer. We wanted more instant gratification: kill, get treasure, repeat. We needed to give people more of an opportunity to be a part of what they have seen in the movies rather than something they had created themselves.

 

 

So pretty much to break it down

GOOD FOR PLAYER BASE

  • NO READING/ LESS READING
  • NO WANDERING/LESS WANDERING
  • NO LEARNING/LESS LEARNING
  • INSTANT GRATIFICATION (KILL-LOOT-REPEAT)
  • LUKE SKYWALKER NOT UNCLE OWEN
  • PLAYERS DON'T CREATE (SANDBOX) - PLAYERS PLAY ( THEMEPARK )

WINNING

And that's why most of the people I know quit.

  daltanious

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Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1703

6/11/13 7:20:22 AM#33
Originally posted by actionreaction
Originally posted by Randayn
I've been playing ALOT of different MMO's trying to find a new home...after about 2 years, I came back to WoW...I forgot just how many things there are to do (and the quality of those things).  I really wish games had the content available that this game has...even when it was Vanilla it was huge...now it's even bigger. 

I am glad you enjoy WOW, better have some friends there, because that's about the only benefit of this MMORPG, is maybe you save on texting and phone calls by using the Private message or GUILD system at it's best.

Really? I do not have single friend there I would regularly be in contact any more. I have always a lot of fun things to do there. Chat is always very lively. Swtor on the other hand is also incredibly fun, chat is virtually dead. All buys playing. Same fp and other group content. All playing, nobody complainging, have not seen single "noob" comment, no single kick, ... all playing and enjoying.

So much about benefits ... benefit is all in your head and in your hands. Should never bi in others.

  thunderC

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Joined: 5/17/12
Posts: 350

6/11/13 4:31:18 PM#34

OP I have also recently come back to wow as i often have over the past 6 or so years. I am having alot of fun an could give you a wall of text explaining what wow does better than the competition but i wont, Lets just say they improved an added to MOP in every way possible, so much content, so much to do.

 

  My only criticism would be the graphics. I'd say i have left an come back several times over the past 6 years but this is the 1st time i have really noticed/felt the WOW graphics are extremely DATED!! 

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