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  terroni

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6/09/13 9:58:26 AM#201
Originally posted by thetimes
The only game that was not made like WoW. You want would pvp ok. You want guild wars ok. You what a game that takes a long time. You guys don't want that. You say you do. You want themepark.

Not a dig at this person, but another good reason Wushu is failing to attract players. A large percentage of the population doesn't speak English, or as a second or third language.

It's a poorly ported game with terrible customer support, half-implemented systems, and a botting problem unlike you have ever seen in any game ever...except maybe silkroad online.

Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.

  Loktofeit

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6/09/13 10:03:46 AM#202
Originally posted by Slampig

So, if sandbox games dropped tutorials then they would become huge hits in the west? What!?

Don't try, man. This is the 2+2=5 thread of gamer logic. :/

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  thetimes

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6/09/13 10:12:53 AM#203
Originally posted by terroni
Originally posted by thetimes
The only game that was not made like WoW. You want would pvp ok. You want guild wars ok. You what a game that takes a long time. You guys don't want that. You say you do. You want themepark.

Not a dig at this person, but another good reason Wushu is failing to attract players. A large percentage of the population doesn't speak English, or as a second or third language.

It's a poorly ported game with terrible customer support, half-implemented systems, and a botting problem unlike you have ever seen in any game ever...except maybe silkroad online.

You might be the problem. You do not understand what I'm saying? Too much effort? What systems you talking about?

  User Deleted
6/09/13 4:29:06 PM#204

Its not a sandbox.  That, for one, may be the issue here.

 

  Callin

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6/09/13 4:43:46 PM#205

Figured I would give this game a shot.

 

Horrible Tutorial. Unimmersive game. I honestly could not tell you a thing I did in this game. Click the green name and auto run there. Auto Pick Up the Item, or click through the (to me) unresponsive combat. Auto Run back. All while being able to just surf Face Book or a few forums. 

 

Trying to find anything on the UI was what finally did it in for me. Could not navigate the thing and find the different sections. The spam bots in the villages were horrible, but I guess thats the way it is in any game now a days. 

 

  thetimes

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Joined: 10/27/12
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6/09/13 7:39:35 PM#206
Tutorial is boring. We knew that. How was script stealing? How was the crafting.

What school did you join? Did you make it that far, or did you lose attention?
  Arakazi

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6/09/13 7:42:24 PM#207
AoW is more sim than sanbox. Just my opinion though.

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  Burntvet

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6/09/13 8:14:02 PM#208
On top of all the other problems, I was fairly offended by the cash shop / buy currency funneling, even when you had a VIP (subscription) acct. It's fine if they want to stick it to "free" players, but there was just way too much needed stuff in the cash shop (or else grind, forever and rent a mounts? Lol) even if you were already paying for a sub. Typical Snail mentality, I guess. Not a particularly good game, and much worse "for the money".
  MidBoss

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Posts: 94

6/09/13 8:54:14 PM#209

This game really gives me a FF13 vibe, at least from it's fan base. 

 

Just play for 14 more hours! It'll turn into the best game ever! you'll see!

Yeah...no.

  Azoth

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6/09/13 9:03:08 PM#210
Originally posted by thetimes
Tutorial is boring. We knew that. How was script stealing? How was the crafting.

What school did you join? Did you make it that far, or did you lose attention?

If a game can't keep the players attention for more than a couple hours it certainly has issues.

You can spin it every way you want. The first hours of a game are the most important to make a judgement. It will decide if you will keep playing or not.

  thetimes

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Posts: 49

6/09/13 9:07:16 PM#211
Originally posted by Azoth
Originally posted by thetimes
Tutorial is boring. We knew that. How was script stealing? How was the crafting.

What school did you join? Did you make it that far, or did you lose attention?

If a game can't keep the players attention for more than a couple hours it certainly has issues.

You can spin it every way you want. The first hours of a game are the most important to make a judgement. It will decide if you will keep playing or not.

I don't need fast food. I need something I can eat for years. Been eating fast food mmorpgs for years.

 

 

First 3-4 Hours is turotial lots of quest. After that no more quest. All other games you keep questing. If you can't pay attention for 3-4 hours, your loss.

  terroni

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6/09/13 9:14:15 PM#212
Originally posted by thetimes

 

First 3-4 Hours is turotial lots of quest. After that no more quest. All other games you keep questing. If you can't pay attention for 3-4 hours, your loss.

So you don't do spy missions (quests)

You don't school patrol (quest)

You don't run instances/faction/dungeons?

What about your daily crafting bejeweled?

Quest for arrays, quest for inner skills?

What do you do exactly?

Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.

  akiira69

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Posts: 525

Need longer quote limits.

6/09/13 9:19:50 PM#213
Originally posted by fat_taddler

I just started playing AoW and absolutely love the game so far.   For the first time since the launch of SWG back in 2003,  I have "that feeling" of immersion and wonder that I've been missing for all of these years.  

 

What I also realized during my initial few hours in the game and from reading many forum posts, is that most of the current crop of MMO players have not and probably will not make it through the tutorial aspects of this game.   

 

This is a real shame because there is a ton of potential in this game but it seems that most will never get to see it because the tutorial is "boring." 

 

We see so many people on these forums clamoring for sandbox titles yet there is barely any support for this title.   Why not?   If you are so desperately seeking a sandbox experience, here's a great title to try.   The best part is that it's free, you just need to invest some time and patience to learn the game. 

 

Unfortunately,  I think a lot of players enjoy the idea of a sandbox style game but so far it seems that most can't or won't even play one. 

 

 

I love how people like the OP speak as if their opinion is gospel fact. Keep thinking your opinion is shared by everyone maybe one day it will be true.

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  STYNKFYST

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6/09/13 9:32:54 PM#214
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by fat_taddler

I just started playing AoW and absolutely love the game so far.   For the first time since the launch of SWG back in 2003,  I have "that feeling" of immersion and wonder that I've been missing for all of these years.  

 

What I also realized during my initial few hours in the game and from reading many forum posts, is that most of the current crop of MMO players have not and probably will not make it through the tutorial aspects of this game.   

 

This is a real shame because there is a ton of potential in this game but it seems that most will never get to see it because the tutorial is "boring." 

 

We see so many people on these forums clamoring for sandbox titles yet there is barely any support for this title.   Why not?   If you are so desperately seeking a sandbox experience, here's a great title to try.   The best part is that it's free, you just need to invest some time and patience to learn the game. 

 

Unfortunately,  I think a lot of players enjoy the idea of a sandbox style game but so far it seems that most can't or won't even play one. 

 

 

I love how people like the OP speak as if their opinion is gospel fact. Keep thinking your opinion is shared by everyone maybe one day it will be true.

If your opinion isn't gospel to you...why would you have one? Why would you post it? Seems to me it's just the OP's opinion for you to read...not fact that they are speaking in truths.

  Grailer

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Posts: 819

6/09/13 9:35:30 PM#215
AoW does appear to be a sandbox  and it's just plain horrible ,but I guess if you are into kung fu games 
  Gandores

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Posts: 47

6/09/13 11:29:43 PM#216

Age of wushu seems to be a game of extremes and polarize ppl as such. Don't listen to the guys

that says lol button-mashing, lol quest-hubs auto-pathing, they really have no clue  and as Almareth said, they obviously dont play the game. 

Nor is it a game only for elites!

 

- Terrific pvp but terrible pve

- Levels yet no levels

- There are classes but you can learn every other school skill (even if you can't max them, they still very useful)

- Vertical progression and horizontal also

- Immersive world yet immersion breaking quests and dialogs.

- Strangely well-balanced pvp :O 

- Awesome and innovative features but such a poor western port

- Cash shop yet  lively player driven economy

- Tab target but extremely skill-based (after a while, good plays can overcome huge power gaps)

- Cash shop yet extremely skill-based xD

- Can be f2p/p2w or simply p2p (v.i.p. and slowly lvl up, most ppl do this i think and you will become quite strong)

- Can be played either hardcore or casual, fun to be had everywhere if you look (just dont quest)

- Sandboxy yet themeparkish

 

A very unique game, not ur typical asian grinder by any means.  AoW biggest problems stems from the fact thats its a pvp game about kung fu with not-so serious politics, and for ur 1st real fight, pits you against 2 badly animated wild dogs -.- and explains itself amidst bouts of semi-comprehensible text.  What a bad tutorial.. and this thread stands as a testament to the importance of the 1st impression.

  Gandores

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6/10/13 12:42:44 AM#217
Originally posted by terroni
Originally posted by thetimes

 

First 3-4 Hours is turotial lots of quest. After that no more quest. All other games you keep questing. If you can't pay attention for 3-4 hours, your loss.

So you don't do spy missions (quests)

You don't school patrol (quest)

You don't run instances/faction/dungeons?

What about your daily crafting bejeweled?

Quest for arrays, quest for inner skills?

What do you do exactly?

 I do

- My daily spy quest (pvp, sometimes fun sometimes boring)                                    

- i run instances, dungeons

- i quest for inners and stuff

- i craft (farm, manufacture, sell)

- i duel/arena

- i farm mini instances

- i do battlegrounds

- i script steal

- i do school wars

- i do guild wars

- i do pvp guild roams agaisnt enemies

- i do solo batman hunts agaisnt enemies

- i just do the tourist sometimes

- i run escorts

- i help guildies (especially when they get attacked during escorts)

- i sometimes get drunk and make a nuisance of myself (bit of trolling during spy quests never hurt anyone)

- tp

- hell i even get an itch and just plain quest sometimes

 

i dont 

- do my daily bejeweled

- pointlessly murder

- rob escort

- patrol

- protect scripts

- do random/miracle encounters

- play the market

- beg and spit booze on ppl

- scam

 

on WoW i : 

- duel/arena

- daily quests (pve, always boring)

- Battlegrounds

- Raid/instance

- Craft (much less)

- quest (only when lvling up)

Thats it :/

  jesad

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6/10/13 5:27:25 AM#218

Not going to read through 17 pages of BS in order to chime in and agree with the OP.  Age of Wushu is one of the most crazy deep, eat your life, innovative games I've ever played, and you don't have to have internet radio playing in the background to keep you interested.  At the same time it is fairly easy to get in there, even with the current localization, and learn what you need to learn to get started.

But oh boy the freaking tears that are being cried at the first concept of a real life gritty emmersive MMO that everyone can't just get in and grind to the top and beat.  Sure, that game is there, but there is SOOOOOOO much more going on too, and you just can have what you want today.

The slurs range from racist to full on BS, complaining about the interface, complaining about the game mechanics, complaining about the localization, complaining because there are no white people HAHA (and that one is a real lark because for YEARS I have been complaining about the lack of black people in a lot of titles and getting told that I am the racist, hows that shit feel now?)  I even read a guy complaining because he couldn't just log into the game and catch up with all the veterans who had been playing for weeks and/or months ahead of him.

It's like the sound of the lamentation of the women that the guy in Conan talked about.

Meanwhile I'm over here dissecting this like like a toad in 6th grade.  I'm trying to figure out why some factions respect me and some, like my own school, dislike me.  I'm trying to figure out how to continue eating without selling out and rolling an alt that can cook.  I want the good food, damn that bun!  I'm trying to work out what penalty I'm really going to have to pay for hanging out with people from the moral schools.  How to make this one chick like me, and if it's even worth it.

I gotta spy as much as I can, patrol as much as I can, and basically blow the master of the school so I can get my interals right when they become available.  I gotta get my meridans straight.  I gotta get my weapon right.  Gotta upgrade my armor, figure out how to make this freaking ingredient they say I need.

Sick, sick, sick, like EQ was sick, and guess what?  I didn't understand a lot of what was going on the first time I went into THAT game either.

What we are seeing is the ultimate calling of all of the bluffs of the majority of loudmouths on this site.  A real, innovative, sandboxy, themparkie, live your life in the game peice of work, and all you can hear now are the excuses of why all of these so called MMO gamers aren't going to play.

Bottom line is that anyone who complains about this game, and doesn't delete the complaint soon after so that no one can pull it up in their history, pretty much doesn't have a right to complain about MMORPG's anymore because this game has just about everything in it I've ever seen put into an MMORPG.

And I do not work for sorry assed Snail, and I do not work for whoever programmed the thing.  I'm just some dude just like the rest of you, who wants to play with my electric dolls.....oh I'm sorry, action figures.

  Deathsdoll

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6/10/13 6:04:22 AM#219

 Have been playing games for many years and at 1st I liked this game sandbox no but, you could see there was something there. If u read even some of the post there is not just 1 thing about this game that killed it in there mind but a few.

 

 Im not going to post a long reason this game is not working it has all been said and from the very people they want to play there game. But for me and here it is... There was at the time I played it " NO Helpline Phone Number"  I could find, that alone should have sent up a red flag but I kept playing sucked in and all. The straw was the more I played the less I could? 

 

 Everything is Limited everything!!! Ohh pay for V.I.P did that lol you don't feel v.i.p at all just a tiny bit less limited but still. I get that ftp is not ftp what is free today. So I don't mind putting a bit of money in they have to eat to. I could add a few thing but as I said above already done.

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  STYNKFYST

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Joined: 5/27/13
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6/11/13 2:48:32 AM#220

" Everything is Limited everything!!!"

Is why not to....Only reason I need. Then I see more.....but don't need to beat the dead horse

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