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  Battlerock

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OP  6/09/13 7:53:33 AM#1
Im seeing alot of buzz about mmo on consoles. Everone thinks you need to dumb it down to play with a controller. Why not just require and enenable mouse and kb?
  DMKano

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6/09/13 8:00:21 AM#2

Because a KB+mouse are not standard on consoles, controllers are and most folks don't have a way to use KB+mouse in their living room in front of the TV comfortably.

might as well sit in front of the PC if you want KB+mouse, that's how I feel anyway.

  syntax42

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6/09/13 9:48:51 AM#3
Consoles are designed for a low barrier-to-entry.  The keyboard represents a learning curve, which means you have a barrier to playing games.  Controllers are simple and a 2-year-old can operate them.  Not many 2-year-olds can type or find the right keys with the precision of someone who has learned to type.
  Loktofeit

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6/09/13 11:11:22 AM#4
Originally posted by Battlerock
Im seeing alot of buzz about mmo on consoles. Everone thinks you need to dumb it down to play with a controller. Why not just require and enenable mouse and kb?

It's not so much a matter of not being able to add mouse and kybd, but that they don't necessarily work for how people play their console games. The console unit is usually near the TV and a good 6 or more feet from the user. The user is often sitting on the floor, recliner, or couch with little, if any, surface area for a mouse, let alone a stable surface for a keyboard.

In that light, it's important not to require a mouse and keyboard. At best, make it optional.

 

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  Bishop200

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6/09/13 11:15:22 AM#5
Originally posted by syntax42
Consoles are designed for a low barrier-to-entry.  The keyboard represents a learning curve, which means you have a barrier to playing games.  Controllers are simple and a 2-year-old can operate them.  Not many 2-year-olds can type or find the right keys with the precision of someone who has learned to type.

You would be right on a NES or SNES, put the controller have gotten more complex than a keyboard in the past 10 years.

  Xiaoki

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6/09/13 11:16:58 AM#6

PS3 can use USB keyboards and mice.


Im currently playing Dust 514 with a keyboard and mouse.


Its up to the developer to implement keyboard and mouse controls however. DCUO could use keyboard for typing but not mouse for controls.

  Vrika

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6/09/13 11:23:24 AM#7

Requiring the use of keyboard and mouse would cut the target audience to "console owners, who like MMOs, own keyboard and mouse they can attach to their consoles, and have their console placed so that they can use keyboard and mouse with it comfortably and effectively for longer periods". It's so small a population that it would be hard to make the game financially viable, and it's hard to justify targeting to that population when most of those people likely also have PC and PC gamers are so much larger audience.

  DMKano

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6/09/13 11:26:45 AM#8
Originally posted by Vrika

Requiring the use of keyboard and mouse would cut the target audience to "console owners, who like MMOs, own keyboard and mouse they can attach to their consoles, and have their console placed so that they can use keyboard and mouse with it comfortably and effectively for longer periods". It's so small population that it would hard to make the game financially viable.

Exactly.

If consoles came standard with a keyboard and mouse and console players played all games in this way it be a different story.

the reality is console players sit on a couch or floor some stand - the way console gamers expect their game to work is with a controller, due to the living room setup.

  DamonVile

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6/09/13 11:33:15 AM#9
Originally posted by Battlerock
Im seeing alot of buzz about mmo on consoles. Everone thinks you need to dumb it down to play with a controller. Why not just require and enenable mouse and kb?

The "require" part is why it wont work. You'll see all kinds of crazy logic about where people sit and such but people hook computers up to TVs all the time and sit in the same places they do when they play a console.

There isn't a good reason why they don't support kb+mouse as far as I can tell.. There is a good reason why they don't require it though.

  tuneinwill

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6/09/13 11:35:49 AM#10

I had a keyboard, mouse, and mic for my Dreamcast console.....

Sony won>>>The end

  Dahkoht

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6/09/13 11:36:36 AM#11
Because the auto aim assist controller junkies would finally get schooled regularly in fps by the keyboard and mouse players playing on the same games with them finally.

Rage quits ensue.
  modus

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6/09/13 11:37:52 AM#12
It is funny how when you hook up keyboard and mouse while playing Dust 514, you ROFLPWN those using controllers.
  Kilrain

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6/09/13 11:43:50 AM#13
Originally posted by syntax42
Consoles are designed for a low barrier-to-entry.  The keyboard represents a learning curve, which means you have a barrier to playing games.  Controllers are simple and a 2-year-old can operate them.  Not many 2-year-olds can type or find the right keys with the precision of someone who has learned to type.

 

You actually couldn't be more wrong. A two year old is better with a controller because that's what you've chosen to put them in front of and teach. Put that 2 year old in front of a computer and they will learn the proper controls in no greater amount of time. Source: I have kids.

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  Slampig

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6/09/13 11:46:55 AM#14
Originally posted by syntax42
Consoles are designed for a low barrier-to-entry.  The keyboard represents a learning curve, which means you have a barrier to playing games.  Controllers are simple and a 2-year-old can operate them.  Not many 2-year-olds can type or find the right keys with the precision of someone who has learned to type.

I really doubt the OP had 2-year olds in mind when this thread was created...

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  drtack1

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6/09/13 11:47:17 AM#15
I use a KB and mouse on my xbox when playing BF2. I just bought a device that hook to my xbox then I plug in my kb and mouse.
  miguksaram

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6/09/13 6:30:02 PM#16

The common reasons for not requiring it has already been discussed so I'll leave that dead horse alone.

With regards to making it optional however I didn't notice anyone state why companies don't pursue this route and typically it is because of production cost.

The VAST majority of games on consoles will in fact be played via a controller and in some case are better suited for it.  Most, not all mind you, games that have attempted to provide support for one or the other end up making a GUI system that easily favors one setup over another in which case there is always plenty of lashing out by the community that came up short.

That is a LOT of extra time and thus money that is spent on a system which ultimately frustrates the intended audience.  By definition that is not a good business model to pursue.  The few instances where this is not necessarily true were usually games that were developed from the ground up with console/pc compatibility.

 

TLDR: Added production cost is generally not worth the effort.

  ElRenmazuo

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6/09/13 6:35:44 PM#17

Well first of all all current gen consoles have USB ports for keyboard and mouse so it is already possible its just up to the game to have that option.

Second of all most gamers that primarily play on consoles like to play games with gamepads.  Pretty much all my friends think playing games with keyboards is silly and uncomfortable.

Me personally who plays games with both but still prefer to use gamepads over KB and mouse if the game has gamepad choice as an option if i play a game on PC.

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  rounner

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6/09/13 6:43:31 PM#18
Keyboard and mouse are not designed for games and to take a road down the path of mandating them further is the complete opposite direction of technological progress.
  Lazarus71

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6/09/13 6:55:45 PM#19
Originally posted by Dahkoht
Because the auto aim assist controller junkies would finally get schooled regularly in fps by the keyboard and mouse players playing on the same games with them finally.

Rage quits ensue.

Yes because no one who plays on consoles also plays or uses PCs................ This is modern times the home computer is as common place as the television and used by all age groups in most homes.

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  Yamota

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6/09/13 7:00:45 PM#20
MMOs are social beasts where you need to chat with other people. Since consoles are not made for keyboard and mouse, I have no idea why you would want to play an MMO on a console. Unless you are not supposed to communicate in an MMO, which makes little sense.
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