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  calranthe

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Joined: 1/29/05
Posts: 361

6/09/13 3:22:32 AM#21

I brought six of my friends in to eve a year ago and the hardest thing to teach them was how much they could do with minimal skills, bigger ships are not better and this is not like any other mmo.

Frigates are still amazingly useful at "end game", a basic T1 fit slasher, merlin or rifter will do you well for most of the early tutorials and space, after that find out what you want to do, do not try to train everything.

boost up your support and fitting skills, it may even be a good idea to just explore in the new player ship its free, read up on skill packs.

If you want combat join RVB a really good hisec combat corp who will teach you everything about small group combat, cheap modules etc.

Eve is unlike most mmo out there end game can start 5 minutes in or 8 years.

IF you want mining or pve lots of corps will help you out just read the forums.

Realize though you are playing a game that will probably still be around in ten years and if you find the right group or people or profession that you really end up loving then  you may still be playing it then.

I have played since beta and have done a lot but still learning, still having fun, pvp is my thing.

Even though I have 100+ million skill points, carriers dreads I can still jump into a t1 rifter for fun.

A well piloted t1 frig can absolutely ruin a battleship pilots day, your 1-5 million ship can cause heart ache and pain to a 10 billion ship.

  Wicoa

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Joined: 1/08/07
Posts: 1611

6/09/13 3:39:37 AM#22

This post is going to sound slightly skewed but bare with me, I enjoy this game for the patience it commands when it comes to learning and waiting.  Admittedly I just got back into the game myself and tomorrow I will subscribe for a month to get the starter packs (the starter packs are free through the CCP store when you sub).

At this point in my life, EVE is one of the only games that I feel able to spend time with family, go watch a movie, do some sport and read a book (essentially being a member of irl).  At the moment I am experiencing slight cash flow isk problems in EVE, trying to upgrade to my next ship.  When I want to play a game though EVE is there, I can pick it up, talk to some people in various channels and run some missions.  The long term skill system is one of the things that keeps me playing, aka I want to fly my battleship properly.

From a character standpoint EVE is unique, in games like wow you cannot be every class in the game.  You have the potential to do so in EVE aim for a role, fly it love it get good at it and move onto the next one you fancy. I will be sticking to high sec for a long time and may join a merc corp in the very distant future to have variety of where I go and what I do and who I meet.  I do not think 0.0 sitting waiting for my alliance to do something is for me, regardless of the game when I log in, I want to do something useful not spin my ship in the docking bay.

The only mmorpg I played recently is GW2 but I think I am tired of the fantasy genre but will possibly try ffx arr down the road.

  shinkan

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/05/07
Posts: 220

6/09/13 3:46:07 AM#23

If you cant find anything to do in early in game it must be cause your head set on flying battleship from the very beginning, or other things that requires much training. If you want you can either start missions or mining right from the bat, the tutorial gives you everything you need. Maybe you just skipped the tutorial...


  thexrated

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/26/04
Posts: 1379

6/09/13 4:15:30 AM#24
EVE is a social experience. You get most out of the game, if you join a corp.

"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."

  Chram

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Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 92

6/09/13 4:21:02 AM#25
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 You know Robo, there's more to a game than just squatting at max level.

I don't know what you mean but I agree.

 Usually getting to max level means the end of your adventure. So you'll most likely end up just sitting there doing nothing at that point. MMO's are about the journey to max level (at least they use to be). Now many people believe the only part of the games that's worth any at all is the end game. So developers just stream-line the process to get people to the end. Which in the end just hurts the game overall.

I wholeheartedly agree. However, none of that applies to EVE.

There is no "end game", "max level" in EVE. Day one rookie can jump into 0.0 and be very successful and useful. He can actually do most in things in EVE very fast, if he is smart enough. People change playstyles all the time, everywhere. 

The game is currently at it's record subscriber and activity numbers. The resources in 0.0 have just now been reshuffled and all the major powers are going to war, this will be one bloody summer. Wormholers are killing each other with their ever more expensive fleets. Lowsec sees an amount of ship explosions it hasn't seen in ages. Militias are murdering each other in faction warfare space. Jita is overflowing with people. The industry guys are rubbing hands and making a profit, as always.

I don't know how you came to the "I believe EVE is coming to an end" statement, but you may want to reconsider.

  Wicoa

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Joined: 1/08/07
Posts: 1611

6/09/13 4:38:14 AM#26
Originally posted by Chram
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 You know Robo, there's more to a game than just squatting at max level.

I don't know what you mean but I agree.

 Usually getting to max level means the end of your adventure. So you'll most likely end up just sitting there doing nothing at that point. MMO's are about the journey to max level (at least they use to be). Now many people believe the only part of the games that's worth any at all is the end game. So developers just stream-line the process to get people to the end. Which in the end just hurts the game overall.

I wholeheartedly agree. However, none of that applies to EVE.

There is no "end game", "max level" in EVE. Day one rookie can jump into 0.0 and be very successful and useful. He can actually do most in things in EVE very fast, if he is smart enough. People change playstyles all the time, everywhere. 

The game is currently at it's record subscriber and activity numbers. The resources in 0.0 have just now been reshuffled and all the major powers are going to war, this will be one bloody summer. Wormholers are killing each other with their ever more expensive fleets. Lowsec sees an amount of ship explosions it hasn't seen in ages. Militias are murdering each other in faction warfare space. Jita is overflowing with people. The industry guys are rubbing hands and making a profit, as always.

I don't know how you came to the "I believe EVE is coming to an end" statement, but you may want to reconsider.

I agree with this post.  CCP is one of the only companies who show actual numbers when you log in and show tracked data. EVE is significantly increasing its player numbers, this cannot be disputed successfully.

  calranthe

Novice Member

Joined: 1/29/05
Posts: 361

6/09/13 6:41:26 AM#27
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by Chram
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 You know Robo, there's more to a game than just squatting at max level.

I don't know what you mean but I agree.

 Usually getting to max level means the end of your adventure. So you'll most likely end up just sitting there doing nothing at that point. MMO's are about the journey to max level (at least they use to be). Now many people believe the only part of the games that's worth any at all is the end game. So developers just stream-line the process to get people to the end. Which in the end just hurts the game overall.

I wholeheartedly agree. However, none of that applies to EVE.

There is no "end game", "max level" in EVE. Day one rookie can jump into 0.0 and be very successful and useful. He can actually do most in things in EVE very fast, if he is smart enough. People change playstyles all the time, everywhere. 

The game is currently at it's record subscriber and activity numbers. The resources in 0.0 have just now been reshuffled and all the major powers are going to war, this will be one bloody summer. Wormholers are killing each other with their ever more expensive fleets. Lowsec sees an amount of ship explosions it hasn't seen in ages. Militias are murdering each other in faction warfare space. Jita is overflowing with people. The industry guys are rubbing hands and making a profit, as always.

I don't know how you came to the "I believe EVE is coming to an end" statement, but you may want to reconsider.

I agree with this post.  CCP is one of the only companies who show actual numbers when you log in and show tracked data. EVE is significantly increasing its player numbers, this cannot be disputed successfully.

EVE will never fit all mmo players but thank you ccp for not bending to the wow crowd the theme park crowd and self entitled  end game crowd.

Playing eve as your first mmo is far easier than if you have played other mmo games, while now the new player experience is far better than it ever was before it is still a game that challenges you from day one and you know speaking as someone who entered eve in beta this game is the only one who 10 years on still challenges me.

See you all on the other side of the next gate camp :)

  Binny45

Novice Member

Joined: 5/26/04
Posts: 457

6/09/13 6:48:12 AM#28
They killed zero sec space for me the moment they got rid of multiple jump gates.  As a person with only a few hours a week to play, they made my travel time go from minutes to hours.  Needless to say I haven't played since, nor do I plan to.  This game is made for the hardcore player with little else to do.  And that's cool, we need games like this for those folks, but if you're expecting EVE to ever change for the casual player, move on and find something else.

  calranthe

Novice Member

Joined: 1/29/05
Posts: 361

6/09/13 6:54:46 AM#29
Originally posted by Binny45
They killed zero sec space for me the moment they got rid of multiple jump gates.  As a person with only a few hours a week to play, they made my travel time go from minutes to hours.  Needless to say I haven't played since, nor do I plan to.  This game is made for the hardcore player with little else to do.  And that's cool, we need games like this for those folks, but if you're expecting EVE to ever change for the casual player, move on and find something else.

Actually if you have a good alliance logistic team the one jump gate per system did not increase travel time that much, maybe 20 mins max increase on the old routes, most gate systems just needed refining to put you in places where travel options were covered.

Yes I do still travel 20 jump sometimes to get some fun.

  nerovipus32

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 2699

6/09/13 6:58:47 AM#30
Eve sounds great but i just have no interest in playing as a spaceship.
  Muke

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1530

6/09/13 7:03:21 AM#31
Originally posted by Mkilbride
 
 

I'm rather enjoying it, going into my second day now. I've been doing missions in order, the first station with 10 of each type,  planning to do all them. Someone also donated 300M ISK to me outta the blue, so that helped me alot.  I find myself playing it for hours.

 

Until I'm not. It's only my second day, but I already got skills that take 14 hours to train. Said skills are at a BOOSTED rate of 2, or even 3 TIMES, because of my Starter Pack.  So I get to a point I want to do a mission - but I can't, because I don't have this skill. For that skills, I need another skill - then another to get that one. So I have to train 3 skills in real time, to get the one skill I want to play. So I setup my Qeune and then there is really nothing to do til it completes.

 

Really liking it, but I see the brilliance of CCP here. Pay 14.99$ a month to play, to host our characters, ect, server up keeps. Create a system that basically makes it so you've no reason to log on for a lot of time, thus reducing the stress on their servers. Basically, you're paying them 15$ a month to host your character, when you won't log in most of that time. :P

 

There is an irony that, trial accounts are never deleted, so characters from 7 years ago are still being "hosted" in a sense. So that is a waste of server space, but they can manage to host them for free.

 

I just thought how brilliant it is. Charge users for hosting their character - then make a system that makes it so you'll not spend a lot of time in-game, thus they don't really have to host your character in-game. They get your money, no real increased server load, and you get to pay to wait to play. :P

 

Smart business plan!

 

*Just a word: This is not a rant / negative / EVE sucks thread, I am really enjoying it.

 

It is very clear you do not know much of EVE Online.

 

I let you figure out something else:

in EVE you can play the game fully without paying for the game.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  Maelwydd

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Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1064

6/09/13 7:06:40 AM#32

I got EVE at launch, thought it would be the new Elite. I ran into the same problem as the OP. I played for a couple of days and then got to a stage where I would log in, queue up a skill to train, then log off and play another game till the training was finished.

Got to a point where I thought, why pay for EVE when I actually enjoy playing others games while waiting for a skill to level up. So cancelled my sub (well it actually took 9 months to stop them taking my money but that is another story) and concentrated on playing the games that I was enjoying in between skill up's in EVE.

Not knocking the game, think the design is great but my GOD! it is 99% boredom. And of course could never really associate with playing a ship.

  Muke

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Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1530

6/09/13 7:13:12 AM#33
Originally posted by Maelwydd

I got EVE at launch, thought it would be the new Elite. I ran into the same problem as the OP. I played for a couple of days and then got to a stage where I would log in, queue up a skill to train, then log off and play another game till the training was finished.

Got to a point where I thought, why pay for EVE when I actually enjoy playing others games while waiting for a skill to level up. So cancelled my sub (well it actually took 9 months to stop them taking my money but that is another story) and concentrated on playing the games that I was enjoying in between skill up's in EVE.

Not knocking the game, think the design is great but my GOD! it is 99% boredom. And of course could never really associate with playing a ship.

You play EVE the wrong way, if you ar eused to themeparks and think you can have it all in 2d time, you are wrong, if you play in EVE and expect to fly a titan in 2d and have 100b in the bank, you are wrong.

You complain about nothing to do ingame when skilling up? I have a toon with 180M skillpoints, and yes, I am training a skill right now, while playing the game. 2 days ago I made a new alt, started training, while doing this I started playing the game on that toon....

You newbs that are unfamiliar with this game only look at the skills you are lacking, not at the skills you already have and what you can do with it.

There are tons of stuff to do, if you want PVP and can't measure up to the players active with skills you are still training, make yourself useful in a different way.

There is ALWAYS need for skills which players can learn in 2-3d time. That's why so many fleet commanders have noob alts scouting, cynoing fleets around etc etc etc... Tons of things you can do with a 1-day old character, and they will LOVE you for it.

Same goes for PVE, you can't fly that pimp battleship your comrads are flying in a PVE mission? Help them out with repping them, salvage wrecks, fly smaller ships with DPS or tank for themetc etc etc... Same as before, tons of stuff to do.

 

But then again: if you are used to a game like World of Warcraft and have everything in reach within 2d, then you are in the wrong game; EVE requires thinking and some effort.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  tarodin

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Joined: 9/15/08
Posts: 79

6/09/13 7:27:43 AM#34
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Maelwydd

I got EVE at launch, thought it would be the new Elite. I ran into the same problem as the OP. I played for a couple of days and then got to a stage where I would log in, queue up a skill to train, then log off and play another game till the training was finished.

Got to a point where I thought, why pay for EVE when I actually enjoy playing others games while waiting for a skill to level up. So cancelled my sub (well it actually took 9 months to stop them taking my money but that is another story) and concentrated on playing the games that I was enjoying in between skill up's in EVE.

Not knocking the game, think the design is great but my GOD! it is 99% boredom. And of course could never really associate with playing a ship.

 

But then again: if you are used to a game like World of Warcraft and have everything in reach within 2d, then you are in the wrong game; EVE requires thinking and some effort.

New mmo games requieres less thinking... look at nwn... a path leads you...

 

I'm still noob at eve... i'm in a mining corporation but i dont do only mining... yes i have a mackinaw ( a good mining ship) that requieres some time in training, but i do WH too... i like to push the limit, to feel that i will die because skilled players are hunting me in cloack hahahah... but now i will learn skill to do some pvp alone, some ganking in WH to noncautius players heheheh i'm always doing something in PVE... i want to go to pvp but for the moment, my primary mission is end a IRL career... only 18 days left :D

 

You can do missions of different types and play market too... is hard to get bored... fitting a ship is always a challenge

  Mkilbride

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OP  6/09/13 7:31:02 AM#35

I find it funny how the people with 10B ISk and 150 million skill points talk about how we don't know how to play, and it's "not all about the skills"

 

Well, it very much can be. You do the right skills and you can almost triple your attack speed and damage. So yes, they do matter - that's with shy ship, and that's with skills alone. 

 

I know you can pay with ISK, but the investment in time to get that much is pretty high for a new player. IT will take months to raise capital like that and not grind the hell out of the game.

 

I absolutely laugh at these people saying we're to accustomed to games like WoW or Themeparks and can't use our brains, that the game requires deep thought. Such a high opinionated community. If there's one reason I may quit EVE, it is because of the community. So very elitist from what I've  seen. You offer your opinion on any feature and it's "Go back to WoW, noob", just like all those "hardcore" gamers in DFUW, or other such games.

 

I don't want everything in 2D. I just want to be able to you know...advance while in the game.

 

IF you think there skill system is ANYTHING other than a way to get people to pay sub fees and not play, you are fooling yourself.  It is specifically designed around that whole concept to trigger peoples OCD on clicking a button and seeing a bar go up.

 

EVE isn't hard. EVE doesn't require much thought. EVE is tedious though. I'm enjoying it, but as someone else mentioned, moving around is really annoying.

 

I want to go to some place? 18 Jumps to get there. So now I click "Autopilot" and go watch a movie - come back, valla, I am at my destination. That's a time waster and pretty simple. Didn't require much thought. Boring, infact. I'm not one for fast travel in alot of MMOS...but cmon...it's Space...it's warping...it's STARGATES. Seems dumb.

 

My issue with EVE is it takes a lot of time to do anything for no reason. IF they gave a logical reason why - I could accept that, but they don't. They just have it needlessly complex so that they can say their game is super complex and hardcore.

 

I don't like WoW, and I hate most Themeparks, I love Sandboxes. But dammit if EVE isn't a Sandbox without Sand almost.

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  tarodin

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6/09/13 7:38:20 AM#36
Originally posted by Mkilbride

I find it funny how the people with 10B ISk and 150 million skill points talk about how we don't know how to play, and it's "not all about the skills"

 I enjoy the game and i have 5M SP

Well, it very much can be. You do the right skills and you can almost triple your attack speed and damage. So yes, they do matter - that's with shy ship, and that's with skills alone. 

 You need to now where you can move with your skills and ship... maybe you will learn in combat... i prefer ask and get advice

I know you can pay with ISK, but the investment in time to get that much is pretty high for a new player. IT will take months to raise capital like that and not grind the hell out of the game.

 Earning ISK is an art... you can earn having fun and not grinding... you have to find your way

I absolutely laugh at these people saying we're to accustomed to games like WoW or Themeparks and can't use our brains, that the game requires deep thought. Such a high opinionated community. If there's one reason I may quit EVE, it is because of the community. So very elitist from what I've  seen. You offer your opinion on any feature and it's "Go back to WoW, noob", just like all those "hardcore" gamers in DFUW, or other such games.

 if lot of people say to you: go to wow, better do it

I don't want everything in 2D. I just want to be able to you know...advance while in the game.

 

IF you think there skill system is ANYTHING other than a way to get people to pay sub fees and not play, you are fooling yourself.  It is specifically designed around that whole concept to trigger peoples OCD on clicking a button and seeing a bar go up.

 

EVE isn't hard. EVE doesn't require much thought. EVE is tedious though. I'm enjoying it, but as someone else mentioned, moving around is really annoying.

 

I want to go to some place? 18 Jumps to get there. So now I click "Autopilot" and go watch a movie - come back, valla, I am at my destination. That's a time waster and pretty simple. Didn't require much thought. Boring, infact. I'm not one for fast travel in alot of MMOS...but cmon...it's Space...it's warping...it's STARGATES. Seems dumb.

 You are planning your way very badly

My issue with EVE is it takes a lot of time to do anything for no reason. IF they gave a logical reason why - I could accept that, but they don't. They just have it needlessly complex so that they can say their game is super complex and hardcore.

 Go wow or nwn... noncomplex games

I don't like WoW, and I hate most Themeparks, I love Sandboxes. But dammit if EVE isn't a Sandbox without Sand almost.

 

 

  Maelwydd

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6/09/13 7:44:35 AM#37
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Maelwydd

I got EVE at launch, thought it would be the new Elite. I ran into the same problem as the OP. I played for a couple of days and then got to a stage where I would log in, queue up a skill to train, then log off and play another game till the training was finished.

Got to a point where I thought, why pay for EVE when I actually enjoy playing others games while waiting for a skill to level up. So cancelled my sub (well it actually took 9 months to stop them taking my money but that is another story) and concentrated on playing the games that I was enjoying in between skill up's in EVE.

Not knocking the game, think the design is great but my GOD! it is 99% boredom. And of course could never really associate with playing a ship.

You play EVE the wrong way, if you ar eused to themeparks and think you can have it all in 2d time, you are wrong, if you play in EVE and expect to fly a titan in 2d and have 100b in the bank, you are wrong.

You complain about nothing to do ingame when skilling up? I have a toon with 180M skillpoints, and yes, I am training a skill right now, while playing the game. 2 days ago I made a new alt, started training, while doing this I started playing the game on that toon....

You newbs that are unfamiliar with this game only look at the skills you are lacking, not at the skills you already have and what you can do with it.

There are tons of stuff to do, if you want PVP and can't measure up to the players active with skills you are still training, make yourself useful in a different way.

There is ALWAYS need for skills which players can learn in 2-3d time. That's why so many fleet commanders have noob alts scouting, cynoing fleets around etc etc etc... Tons of things you can do with a 1-day old character, and they will LOVE you for it.

Same goes for PVE, you can't fly that pimp battleship your comrads are flying in a PVE mission? Help them out with repping them, salvage wrecks, fly smaller ships with DPS or tank for themetc etc etc... Same as before, tons of stuff to do.

 

But then again: if you are used to a game like World of Warcraft and have everything in reach within 2d, then you are in the wrong game; EVE requires thinking and some effort.

lol TOO defensive me thinks.

And yeah sure, I was playing the wrong way....my way. It just wasn't enjoyable enough. Great game, just boring for me.

As for the whole noob comment...I bought the game at launch so hardly a noob without friends at the time.

Just my opinion but I think you are way too involved in the game if you get so defensive.

  luro16

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6/09/13 7:48:04 AM#38

I have an Eve Story!

I remember trying to play a long time ago, no understand what was going on, and then quiting.

This was when i still played wow and was really into raiding, so i would comeback every so often between content updates, not understand it, and quit again.

When i finaly quit wow, i put a lot more time into eve, joined a decent sized corp, and worked my way up to a new ship, a Raven or something, and the first time i took it out, i went to a low sec zone on accident and my shop went boom. HOWEVER, the guy who blew it up messaged me and basicly said "Hey, shouldn't go to low alone bro, here's something to help you out."

And he gave me enough money to replace the ship, which seemed like a lot at the time(i would come to find out it wasn't shit, but for a newer player it was a lot).

So that was nice, i still ended up getting bored at the game because your enjoyment of it is almost entirely dependent on who you are playing with and whats going on in the universe.

  Maelwydd

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6/09/13 7:50:06 AM#39
Originally posted by Muke

But then again: if you are used to a game like World of Warcraft and have everything in reach within 2d, then you are in the wrong game; EVE requires thinking and some effort.

Just noticed your edit...Also bought WOW at launch, quit after hitting 60. Not my game either.

Stop trying to get all personal, being rude and trying to pinhole my dislike of playing the game (not a dislike for the game design though) on my lack of cerebral quality or effort level.

I just found the game boring.

 

  Muke

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6/09/13 7:55:24 AM#40
Originally posted by Mkilbride

I find it funny how the people with 10B ISk and 150 million skill points talk about how we don't know how to play, and it's "not all about the skills"

It's not, I can kill veterans in their pimped battleships with just a interceptor or cheap bomber on a alt character which has like 3-8M SP.

If you run in headfirst going 'banzaaaaaaaaaai , yes, you will get served, there again, EVE requires thinking.

And yes, I am one of the high SP players, seen it all, done it all, and I am terribly annoyed by the elitist attitude of our alliance leaders or players I have been flying with for 10y. If I can help our newbs in the renter alliances and they are trustworthy, I do that.

Well, it very much can be. You do the right skills and you can almost triple your attack speed and damage. So yes, they do matter - that's with shy ship, and that's with skills alone. 

more skills help ofc, BUT you can only use some of those skills applying to your ship and your fittings. And it doesn't mean that the guy with all lvl 5 will whipe the all lvl 3-4 pilot.

Just recently I killed a vindicator on my neutral newb alt in a bomber, I have all lvl 3-4 trained (and that goes fast), I was circling him too fast and too close so he could not hit me with his uber guns. killed him, 800M loot in the wreck, tuvm. So yes, more skills do help, but they are only useful if the player actually knows how to use them.

Again, knowledge > skills.

 

I know you can pay with ISK, but the investment in time to get that much is pretty high for a new player. IT will take months to raise capital like that and not grind the hell out of the game.

Wrong, it takes knowledge. just basic trading knowledge (and I don't mean the trading skills) can earn you loads of ISK already on a trial. Start small, expand, and grow/

You don't always have to invest billions just to make a start.

I absolutely laugh at these people saying we're to accustomed to games like WoW or Themeparks and can't use our brains, that the game requires deep thought. Such a high opinionated community. If there's one reason I may quit EVE, it is because of the community. So very elitist from what I've  seen. You offer your opinion on any feature and it's "Go back to WoW, noob", just like all those "hardcore" gamers in DFUW, or other such games.

 Not saying that, but most players DO come from a WOW background, and since that is not really difficult to play they are usually in for a shock when entering EVE, trying and not succeeding in it they often call the game 'boring' and head back to that former game which requires less thinking.

I want to go to some place? 18 Jumps to get there. So now I click "Autopilot" and go watch a movie - come back, valla, I am at my destination. That's a time waster and pretty simple. Didn't require much thought. Boring, infact. I'm not one for fast travel in alot of MMOS...but cmon...it's Space...it's warping...it's STARGATES. Seems dumb.

 You are being lazy here, you can warp manually and do the trip 80% faster, you choose for the lazyman Autopilot, which adds time to the journey. Also, you can choose the shorter route, but that would maybe let you go through low security which requires you to think about dodging pirate camps....again, autopilot is for the lazy player.

 

My issue with EVE is it takes a lot of time to do anything for no reason. IF they gave a logical reason why - I could accept that, but they don't. They just have it needlessly complex so that they can say their game is super complex and hardcore.

Play the game 'for no reason'?

Why do you go to school or go to a job? That's also for 'no reason'.

If you don't do what's fun in EVE, then you are not playing right.  If you are not willing to put effort into getting what you want, this game is not for you.

If you are too lazy to actually earn money ingame to fund other projects, then you can always go buy money through game time codes. Guy from work started EVE, doing missions, I gave him some tips how to make money, he had 500M after 1w (more then I had after starting the game back then).

He earned much more the next week, and now he's that far that he has enough money to do what he wants without doing stuff that 'is boring'.

 

 

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

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