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  Issiea

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Joined: 5/23/13
Posts: 65

6/08/13 11:35:57 AM#101
Originally posted by HappyFunBall

OMG yes.  I don't believe there's a single AAA sandbox right now like Ultima Online (or in general).  I've tried every one that's out there, and most of them, to be honest, SUCK.  Most of the so-called sandbox games out there now aren't even close to AAA titles.  The graphics and gameplay sucks, they are full of bugs, let alone completely unfinished, unpolished, stable, etc. (good example, Mortal Online.  What a piece of trash).

There are WAY too many theme-parks, and most are exactly the same with just a new coat of graphics.  None of them have any exploration.  It's just a fairly linear romp from one predefined area to the next that puts me to sleep...The monsters are ALWAYS in the exact same place, especially all those instances which are identical each time you run them, which I find mindless and boring.  Then there's that rush to "end-game" which I absolutely hate, nor understand.. but I guess if the game offers nothing else, that's what players do. 

Don't even get me started on the never ending stream of Asian-made games that almost identical in design and gameplay, just with slightly different graphics.  Most are unpolished and the gameplay mechanics are terrible.  Talk about mindless cookie-cutter garbage.  Bleah.  Wow, another game that lets be choose between tank/fighter, thief/ranger, priest, and mage.  What a new concept!  By all means, keep churning out games like this over and over again.  Zzzzzzz.

I'd bring back an open world game like Ultima Online, with a 2013+ engine, graphics, sound, etc, and add dynamic events like Rift and other games have added.  There's a reason why UO is STILL running.

I'd add a real sense of danger as well, that most new games lack completely.  For example, I tried Neverwinter and found it completely mindless and challenge-less.  I liked GW2 more, mostly for the exploration aspects, but again, it's easy-mode.  You can solo most of the outside areas, if not all, and I never ever felt like I was in danger of dying, and if I did, I didn't care because there's almost no penalty for it.

Most games now have PVE just to get your toon ready for PVP.  I think that's a terrible design.  I mean, awful.  The PVE should be a great alternative to PVP that people can choose to enjoy over PVP, instead of just using it to get strong enough for PVP.  A player should also be able to do both, where both types of play are challenging.  True coop gameplay is great too, and most games now focus on soloing, with groups only needed for instances.  Puke.

I'd create a living, breathing world, where you can do anything you want, with the main focus put back on exploration and discovery, which is almost never the same twice.  I grew up on RPG's that let you explore and find new areas, monsters, treasure, etc.  I can't find a single AAA game that offers that (maybe Eve, but I didn't care for it.  Way too boring for me).

I'd remove mindless ganker/griefer pvp completely, but allow pvp (I won't elaborate how right now, but I have many thoughts about this in mind).  You can't go around the world and beat the shit out of a baby and then take it's pacifier without prison, a mob of people ripping you apart, and so on.  Also, there's no gain in the real world from beating up a child, then stealing every worthless item they have on them... so, I'm not sure why this is allowed in any video game.  I'd allow players to be somewhat immoral, but I'd introduce morality systems, like reputation, bounties, even npcs that hunt you down like the animal you are, that have been done before, but never implemented very well.  I did always like a criminal element in games, which could even have their own town, hideout, etc.

I'd make herds of creatures roaming the countryside.  They would vigorously protect their young ones, just like in the real world.  The creatures would vary wildly, again, like UO.  Some could use teamwork to defeat you, poison you, immobilize you, and even hunt, which I NEVER see in video games.  I'd like to roam around the countryside being stalked by creatures or humanoids that pick up your scent, track you in other ways, etc.  A real sense of danger.

I'd allow intelligent humanoid npcs to build forts, structures, traps, communities, that you could either attack, steal from, barter with, etc, including reputation systems, faction building, etc.  If you worked for a certain village, cult, etc, you could get new skills found nowhere else in the game, get an npc from the villiage to help you or work for you, etc.

I'd also add destructible environments than can be repaired by enemies, players, etc.  I see NONE of this in games.  I'd like to be able to take over a fort with fellow players, and take control of it.  I'd like to see mobs do the same thing.  You could visit a fort being attacked by NPC's fighting for control of it, and each time you go there, it could be abandoned, owned my different intelligent races, etc.

These are just a few of my ideas.  I don't want to spill them all. ;)

I'll probably never see a game like this.  So sad.

 

 

This is a positively brilliant idea for a game.  I would love to play this! :)

 

I would love to implement a game that mixes the best of all the games I love which would be UO+DaoC+WaR plus other fun elements from other games which aren't great as a whole but I like some aspects like WoW.  If I had the funds I could totally make it work.

  User Deleted
6/08/13 11:37:16 AM#102

Why would I need to?  I just got 100 million dollars handed to me because I said I'd make an MMO.

 

LOLing all the way to the bank... wait... isn't that what they do now?

  Sovrath

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Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 17024

6/08/13 11:40:21 AM#103

You know, given $100 million you probably could. you would essentially become the backer.

Then you would do a little research figure out what you needed to start such a project, depending upon what your background was you would either hire a business manager or be the business manager. For this little experiment, I could be the business manager based on my background.

I'd get all the nuts and bolts such as payroll, becoming a corporation, H.R., finding a space and taking care of the lease (you know the nuts and bolts non-fun stuff)  etc together and you would then hire the appropriate people to actually manage and run the game design and building.

You would have to do this in conjunction with your first hire who would be the person who actually knew what a game design team was supposed to be.

So essentially you would figure out your role, small or large and hire the people who could make this happen.

If you were an artist and were good you could be on the art team, maybe spearhead the art design. Since I'm a composer I would probably take care of all the music.

This could be done.

 

  User Deleted
6/08/13 11:41:53 AM#104
Nobody here could produce a better mmo than what is being produced unless you've had experience in the industry, i am not surprised that people on this site think they could though. know it all's much.
  jdlamson75

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Joined: 12/27/08
Posts: 888

There's some lovely filth down here.

6/08/13 11:42:59 AM#105
Originally posted by Issiea
Originally posted by HappyFunBall

OMG yes.  I don't believe there's a single AAA sandbox right now like Ultima Online (or in general).  I've tried every one that's out there, and most of them, to be honest, SUCK.  Most of the so-called sandbox games out there now aren't even close to AAA titles.  The graphics and gameplay sucks, they are full of bugs, let alone completely unfinished, unpolished, stable, etc. (good example, Mortal Online.  What a piece of trash).

There are WAY too many theme-parks, and most are exactly the same with just a new coat of graphics.  None of them have any exploration.  It's just a fairly linear romp from one predefined area to the next that puts me to sleep...The monsters are ALWAYS in the exact same place, especially all those instances which are identical each time you run them, which I find mindless and boring.  Then there's that rush to "end-game" which I absolutely hate, nor understand.. but I guess if the game offers nothing else, that's what players do. 

Don't even get me started on the never ending stream of Asian-made games that almost identical in design and gameplay, just with slightly different graphics.  Most are unpolished and the gameplay mechanics are terrible.  Talk about mindless cookie-cutter garbage.  Bleah.  Wow, another game that lets be choose between tank/fighter, thief/ranger, priest, and mage.  What a new concept!  By all means, keep churning out games like this over and over again.  Zzzzzzz.

I'd bring back an open world game like Ultima Online, with a 2013+ engine, graphics, sound, etc, and add dynamic events like Rift and other games have added.  There's a reason why UO is STILL running.

I'd add a real sense of danger as well, that most new games lack completely.  For example, I tried Neverwinter and found it completely mindless and challenge-less.  I liked GW2 more, mostly for the exploration aspects, but again, it's easy-mode.  You can solo most of the outside areas, if not all, and I never ever felt like I was in danger of dying, and if I did, I didn't care because there's almost no penalty for it.

Most games now have PVE just to get your toon ready for PVP.  I think that's a terrible design.  I mean, awful.  The PVE should be a great alternative to PVP that people can choose to enjoy over PVP, instead of just using it to get strong enough for PVP.  A player should also be able to do both, where both types of play are challenging.  True coop gameplay is great too, and most games now focus on soloing, with groups only needed for instances.  Puke.

I'd create a living, breathing world, where you can do anything you want, with the main focus put back on exploration and discovery, which is almost never the same twice.  I grew up on RPG's that let you explore and find new areas, monsters, treasure, etc.  I can't find a single AAA game that offers that (maybe Eve, but I didn't care for it.  Way too boring for me).

I'd remove mindless ganker/griefer pvp completely, but allow pvp (I won't elaborate how right now, but I have many thoughts about this in mind).  You can't go around the world and beat the shit out of a baby and then take it's pacifier without prison, a mob of people ripping you apart, and so on.  Also, there's no gain in the real world from beating up a child, then stealing every worthless item they have on them... so, I'm not sure why this is allowed in any video game.  I'd allow players to be somewhat immoral, but I'd introduce morality systems, like reputation, bounties, even npcs that hunt you down like the animal you are, that have been done before, but never implemented very well.  I did always like a criminal element in games, which could even have their own town, hideout, etc.

I'd make herds of creatures roaming the countryside.  They would vigorously protect their young ones, just like in the real world.  The creatures would vary wildly, again, like UO.  Some could use teamwork to defeat you, poison you, immobilize you, and even hunt, which I NEVER see in video games.  I'd like to roam around the countryside being stalked by creatures or humanoids that pick up your scent, track you in other ways, etc.  A real sense of danger.

I'd allow intelligent humanoid npcs to build forts, structures, traps, communities, that you could either attack, steal from, barter with, etc, including reputation systems, faction building, etc.  If you worked for a certain village, cult, etc, you could get new skills found nowhere else in the game, get an npc from the villiage to help you or work for you, etc.

I'd also add destructible environments than can be repaired by enemies, players, etc.  I see NONE of this in games.  I'd like to be able to take over a fort with fellow players, and take control of it.  I'd like to see mobs do the same thing.  You could visit a fort being attacked by NPC's fighting for control of it, and each time you go there, it could be abandoned, owned my different intelligent races, etc.

These are just a few of my ideas.  I don't want to spill them all. ;)

I'll probably never see a game like this.  So sad.

 

 

This is a positively brilliant idea for a game.  I would love to play this! :)

 

I would love to implement a game that mixes the best of all the games I love which would be UO+DaoC+WaR plus other fun elements from other games which aren't great as a whole but I like some aspects like WoW.  If I had the funds I could totally make it work.

 

Happy, do you happen to have a thread/post where you detail your Sandboxish PvP ideas?  I'd be interested to see what you have in mind.  PM me if you'd like.  I'm one of those guys who enjoys PvP when done right, especially open world type PvP.  I'd like to know what others think about it, on a (possibly) more intellectual level.

  WereLlama

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/13/12
Posts: 198

6/08/13 11:43:24 AM#106

It is moderately difficult to make a fun multi-player persistent world game with a fraction of the cost (under a mil USD).

It takes lots of vision, time, effort, will, and basic leadership skills.  

Oh, you also need to know how online games are built technically.

But totally doable.  There are many of us that have done it.  You can to.

-WL

 

  crasset15

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 155

6/08/13 11:44:43 AM#107

There's a 100 page notebook on my desk filled with any MMO related ideas that randomly pop into my head.

My coding experience: I know how to change font size in html

Strongest trait: making maps. Made a bunch of them in any game that allowed it, including cashgrabwinter. Have done extensive research into environment design. My maps are the most realistic and good looking, bla bla bla.

No, I couldn't.

  Vodun

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Joined: 12/11/05
Posts: 77

Be afraid, very afraid.

6/08/13 11:47:35 AM#108

My Game would include:

 - A Dark Fantasy world at war

 - Multi tiered subscription model, or different Power levels, where the higher you are the more options you have in how you play the game. Lowest level would be free to play and can only play as a lowly soldier, the highest Power level could play as a Nobel Lord and own land, conquer more lands and build castles.

 - 5 Factions, 4 factions fighting over the remains of the declining Empire faction

 - Clearly defined main goals for each faction, and multiple sub goals that will increase the factions overall strength once achieved. Include the ability for each faction to subvert other factions goals in some way.

 - Large land battles that can only occur once certain conditions are met, such as when certain faction goals are achieved.

 - Diplomacy with non-aligned races or groups. The non-aligned groups can switch sides if your faction is not careful.

 - Mounted combat.

 - Classes: Noble Lords, Combat Healers, Warriors, Rangers (Scouts), Soldiers, Wizards.

 - Will make group play the norm not the exception.

 - Crafting

 - The Vassal function that will allow internal faction alignments to Noble Lords. A faction element within your own overall faction. These factions can also compete for resources in the world.

 - Real economy, with limited resources being produced and fought over.

 

My Game would NOT include

 - Mindless Grinding

 

  Squeak69

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Joined: 1/21/13
Posts: 959

cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

6/08/13 11:47:51 AM#109

yes and no, because quality of a MMO is not just on one person its on the entire dev team.

on the other hand you give me 100 MIL and no one has any authority over me I have the first and last word on everything I get to pick my team, the style of MMO and I don't have ANYONE pressureing me on time or worrying about money making cash shops, ya ill get a damn good MMO put together for you,

it wont be fast and it damn well isn't going to make everyone happy, cause that imossable, but no one could argue on its quality, and it would be made for gamers not to make mmoney.

 

but even then iim sure a lot of people would call it crap, that's just how the MMO world is today if its not exactly what you want most people say its worthless, not many gamers left who can judge if a games god or not while not enjoying it.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  WalterWhite

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Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 403

It's time to cook.

6/08/13 11:49:27 AM#110
I would make SWG 2.

  WereLlama

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Joined: 2/13/12
Posts: 198

6/08/13 11:53:23 AM#111
Originally posted by crasset15

There's a 100 page notebook on my desk filled with any MMO related ideas that randomly pop into my head.

My coding experience: I know how to change font size in html

Strongest trait: making maps. Made a bunch of them in any game that allowed it, including cashgrabwinter. Have done extensive research into environment design. My maps are the most realistic and good looking, bla bla bla.

No, I couldn't.

 

100 page notebook! You already have the passion/vision needed.

I bet if you learned the other missing skills or collaborated with others you definitely can.

 

**

Also this article reminds me of the central lesson in Small Business 101:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/faisal-hoque/money-alone-doesnt-guaran_b_3174587.html

 

**

Screw the 100 mil.  Start it for free. Jump in and get dirty. 

 

  ElRenmazuo

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Joined: 10/28/06
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6/08/13 11:56:46 AM#112
yes I would make a sci-fi in space opera mmorpg third person shooter where the camera angle is fixed like in Mass Effect.  And will also be able to use space ships and small fighters when your in space.  There will also be inhabitable planets to explore for materials and ancient alien ruins.  Guilds can build space stations and own territory both in space and on uncharted planets for mining and uncovering artifacts/tech and others can attack them.  When attacking them in space the attackers will have attack with ships first then dock with it to attack inside with squads.  When exploring planets without oxygen your space suit oxygen level will deplete slowly.  You can use vehicles too when exploring.  Some planets will have hostile creatures and you will need special vehicles to fight some of the bigger ones kind of like the thrasher maw in Mass Effect.  This is all from the top of my head as i wrote this.
  Orious

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6/08/13 11:57:57 AM#113

There's a lot of Indie games that would be AAA if they had 100 million dollars. So I dare say it would be more than possible. The companies that do have that kind of cash to throw around end up having the people in charge of those cash care pretty little about the game in general and care more about how much money it will bring in.

I have good ideas on all types of genres. Most of them are sandbox-themepark hybrid (sandpark), but there are ideas for a fantasy game and the book I'm writing is Sci-Fi and actually already has enough Lore to become an mmo. I already have a board game made for it as well. It's just not published. I also have some pretty sweet ideas for COMPLETELY changing how combat is done in an MMO (and console games as well, really).

To start off this is what I would do...

1) I would never disclose how much money I really got. Also...if I was allowed to invest some of it I would. Then when I needed the rest I would pull it out. Kind of like putting some into the stock market maybe like Tesla Motors or something and then after the 3/4 is gone I would sell that stock an maybe double what I put in. Maybe if I was allowed to... I could pay off my college loans with the like 0.1% of the money. ;) 

2) Spend an entire year or two speaking with the top developers of the MMO industry and innovative gaming developers of all platforms and genres. I'm sure I could get some time with them by paying for their time.

3) From them I would spend 6 months to a year understanding the parts that didn't work and did work during their development cycles.

4) The last half of the 2nd or third year I would track down some of the best programmers and some of the best graphics artists to talk about core gameplay concepts. I need to figure out if what I want to accomplish is even doable since it hasn't been done before in an mmo as far as I know.

5) I may hire them... I may not if they are too expensive, but for step 5 I need to make a "Proof-of-Concept" for my innovative gameplay content. I wouldn't need the best graphics designers for the PoC art, but programmers probably since that's where the new innovation comes in.

6) After the proof of concept is complete and working (I'd say a year to do this might be obtainable), I would create a company name, and showcase this as a teaser for things to come. I may even start my own kickstarter campaign if visibility is good. The extra money flow from the kickstarter could be used to add in voice overs and actors etc. that are really all fluff stuff.

7) Whether kickstarter fails or not I would then hire a Lead or Assistant Lead Developer. This person would know the industry and know many outlets to find some of the best value programmers and artists. While I am an aspiring author and feel I can make a decent lore on my own, I would hire more writers so that we could brainstorm with a wider array of imagination.

8) Based on my original talks with the lead developers of the MMO industry (assuming they did not lead me astray), I would set up a timeline for when certain aspects of the game are completed. I would take on some of the spotlight with dev blogs and the like to keep the community that I may gain interested. Also because the main proofs of concepts are already tested, I would be less likely to stray from the original design... especially since I haven't gotten any investors.

9) After about another year of development using the hired programmers and artists etc. (so year 5 or 6) I should have enough of the game ready to showcase a lot of the features in a polished form. The priority would be on working features. Animations, graphics, and the sparkly stuff can be tweaked later. This stage would have included Alpha testing...sort of a friends and family + kickstarter deal.

10) After 80% of the game is nearly completed. I will check the hype of the game. If hype is good, I will be hiring environmental specialists that can make the game come a live more aesthetically. Here is also when I will start creating the first big amount of content that showcases voice acting and themepark events (sandbox events are part of the alpha development and should already be nearly polished...or at least working).

11) Beta testing phase begins once the first few themepark scripted events are in game. I say scripted events, but they happen in real time. There is no cutscene experience. (there are also probably no instances really).

12) If beta is going well I will start heavy marketing. This will bring more beta players to the game as well after I allow beta access for pre-ordering. MMORPG.com will be given beta keys as well.

13) Launch date will be given. This will probably be the 7th or 8th year. 

14) During the 8th year, 1 week before launch there will be a free stress test. I'm sure that based on the games otu there there are good enough servers (of which we will ahve backups) to stress many many players. The servers will probably break many times,  and until we fix these breaks we could be calling more stress tests. 

15) Once we've deemed that we tested enough and any other problems would need to be fixed once we're live, we'll go ahead and shut the beta servers down and launch the game on a Thursday.

 

  Wicoa

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6/08/13 12:00:32 PM#114
No, for this request I would turn 100 million dollars down. I do not have the expert knowledge to warrant that type of investment.  If the person insisted I do it though I would put a team together and do my best.
  WereLlama

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6/08/13 12:03:43 PM#115
Originally posted by Wicoa
No, for this request I would turn 100 million dollars down. I do not have the expert knowledge to warrant that type of investment.  If the person insisted I do it though I would put a team together and do my best.

Good attitude. When/if you get our 100 mil, i suggest putting a proven game dev leader in charge of management and put your self under him as a co-designer + VC.  100mil can go quick, ask Curt Shilling.

  Klandaus

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6/08/13 12:06:08 PM#116

The Badlands

A Sci-Fi MMORPG Sandbox

 

  • Full Open World PvP with the exception of player-created flagged PvP-zones that must be maintained and protected from siege.
  • Player-driven economy with item-based currencies, player-made auction houses with local markets.
  • Free-to-play model with option of sub, able to buy the popular items as researched to deter gold farmers.
  • Dungeon Crawling Element, exploring randomly generated underground monster hubs for randomly generated loot and currency items. Available from the start of the game.
  • Find random dungeons, clear them out and rebuild them into hideouts if you wish.
  • Intelligent AI that wanders the world, fleeing from large groups of people and hunting people down when they outnumber you.
  • Insignia-based loot PvP. Earn Insignias from defeating Red-flagged players, if you die in PvP without Insignias, a player may loot one stack or single item from you at random, depending on your outlaw status which factors in additional losses.
  • Player-made cities built atop above-world plots or with more freedom in instanced random Dungeons you find, clear out and then build upon.
  • Raiding tunnels, to randomly initiate raids on these underground empires.
  • Robust crafting system, allowing you to salvage anything you come across and create gear with random stats. The best gear will be from crafting high-end dungeon drops.
  • Skill-based system, less on stats and numbers, more on how your character functions in the environment. As you play you unlock more attacks/utility abilities to choose from and improve your equipment. Hundreds of attacks/utility abilities to mix and match and you may have six attacks plus four utility abilities.
  • Sigils to upgrade your attacks with modifiers which allow them to do new and interesting things such as summoning a creature or setting your enemy on fire.
  • Monthly PvP events and content patches to add additional above-ground city plots for players to own, as well as fight over.
  • 3 distinct races to choose from, including Humans and two alien races.
  • Player-made quests, with an AI-Controlled intel-based system allowing city owners to demand materials and offer rewards to those who bring them to the city. Also allows city owners to place bounties on individuals or creatures, including AI-controlled creatures threatening to destroy and take over a city.
The Badlands is based on the first planet pseudo-colonized by Earth. However, there was only one ship and it was shot down on it's arrival, leaving the colonists stranded on the planet where the only other two sentient races are war-like and are in the middle of an intense civil war. Whatever technology left is spread thin, salvaged by the hardened and weary who defend themselves from the planet's chaotic wildlife.
 
I could put this all together for $2M with up-to-date graphics as well as allowing older rigs to preform on it well. I have been a freelance designer, and I have experimented with all avenues of game development. What I posted above is a revised copy-paste for one of my ideas though unrefined into GDD-format. I believe that with today's resources the features mentioned above can be implemented, including the capabilities to handle 500 players in one area conducting PvP.
 

 

 

  Slappy1

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OP  6/08/13 12:07:41 PM#117
Some great responses.A lot of creativity.

Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!

Arya Stark

  WereLlama

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6/08/13 12:21:16 PM#118

If had a $100 mil, I would expand on my existing project.

Specifically, 

1. Modify our project's scope to include more platforms and higher quality modelling/level building/lore/quests/events.

2. Hire a business manager with experience with working with game development over multiple countries and mixed perm/contract employees.

3. Hire an engineer focused on new mobile tech, optimization techniques, and with lots of initiative and curiosity to pro-actively let me know what will work for the next 5 years so we don't waste our time on building game tech we will have to immediately replace.  

4. Partner with a merchandise focused company to build customer targeted physical products that can be integrated with the game play.  If you have/wear the merchandise you might receive social benefits in game.  Adults love physical things too.

5. Overall, add to the idea of 'concentrated coolness' or whatever Blizzard does. You don't have to mimic their games to appreciate their vision.

-WL

  Master.Ryu

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6/08/13 12:23:31 PM#119
Given the high education in game design and ten years, I could. Main concern would be motivation to work on an MMO for so long, just to make it the best.
  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

6/08/13 12:26:05 PM#120

you don't need a 100 MIL. what is needed is a dev team focused on making a great game, not on making a money maker, and no one over them telling them we need this and this changed to suit our needs. dose not mean it will be the greatest game ever but it will be a step back into thecorrect direction to making great games again.

P.S. the 100 MILL would help though LOL.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.

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