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  Instigator-Jones

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6/06/13 8:23:45 PM#21

It would seem that the gaming crowd is broken down into Time spent, Hubris, and Knowledge that define "Hardcore" vs. "Casual".

 

The time spent crowd seems to think it's how long your butt has been in the chair as you click-click-click away at some virtual task (i.e. the higher number [time] wins)

 

The Hubris crowd seems to think that you should be defined by your gear score, arena rating, or some such nonsense (i.e. the higher number [score] wins) that only shows that a) you've been lucky enough to have hit the right keys at the right time, b) you're knowledgeable in the game(s) you play and know how to work the system, or c) you just spent enough time grinding on the game to get the gear/stat you desire.

 

The Knowledge crowd would rather prove their Hardcore-ness by telling everyone what they know and why you should do as they say (i.e. the higher number [facts] wins).

 

To all these, I say Bullocks. Shut-up and play; enjoy the game, socialize, and push the developers to provide us with content to enjoy. Putting players into little boxes and labeling them 'hardcore', 'casual', 'super-uber casual', 'super-uber-duper casual' is just plain stupid. Doing so only opens the door for verbal conflict, testifying who has the bigger stick in the playground. 

 

 

  rockin_ufo

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6/06/13 8:25:26 PM#22
Why can't I just be an MMO player who enjoys the game I play?

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  Robokapp

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6/06/13 8:36:13 PM#23
Originally posted by rockin_ufo
Why can't I just be an MMO player who enjoys the game I play?

because we're human. we like to implify information to process it faster.

 

let me give you an example:

 

how would a robot drive ?

"appears road makes a 35 degrees turn."

"turning wheel to correspond to 35 degrees".

"calculating difference between new angle and desired angle".

"adjusting steering to counter new angular difference".

repeat in a continuous feedback loop until angle difference equalz nearly zero.

 

how does a human drive ?

" ???" "

you never think "i'm going to turn a half-circle of the wheel, then see where I'm at."

you just...do it. you trivialized driving information so far that it requires no thinking.

 

similarly...in MMOs.

 

this player...who is he ? so many unknowns. I have no idea. but maybe I can guess. let's see... 2500 stamina, a pvp rating of 1550, has 9 kills and 5 wipes on the last oss of this raid, a curious choice of helm...he's about my level.

 

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  Instigator-Jones

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6/06/13 8:38:40 PM#24
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by rockin_ufo
Why can't I just be an MMO player who enjoys the game I play?

because we're human. we like to implify information to process it faster.

 

let me give you an example:

 

how would a robot drive ?

"appears road makes a 35 degrees turn."

"turning wheel to correspond to 35 degrees".

"calculating difference between new angle and desired angle".

"adjusting steering to counter new angular difference".

repeat in a continuous feedback loop until angle difference equalz nearly zero.

 

how does a human drive ?

" ???" "

you never think "i'm going to turn a half-circle of the wheel, then see where I'm at."

you just...do it. you trivialized driving information so far that it requires no thinking.

 

similarly...in MMOs.

 

this player...who is he ? so many unknowns. I have no idea. but maybe I can guess. let's see... 2500 stamina, a pvp rating of 1550, has 9 kills and 5 wipes on the last oss of this raid, a curious choice of helm...he's about my level.

 

@Jones: You can call me "The Big Sausage".

 

Lol... whut?

And from that I mean... whut?

  IceAge

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6/06/13 8:45:36 PM#25
Originally posted by BearKnight

I recently was having a discussion with some self proclaimed "Avid Gamers" from the college I'm going back to for my BA in Computer Science. In this discussion I mentioned the normal stuff you'd do in Everquest, DAOC, and SWG. The response I got was fairly shocking.

 

Mostly along the lines of "Wow, you're a pretty hardcore gamer. I'd have dropped that game in the first couple days".

 

REALLY?? I never even mentioned raiding, epic questing, or any of that stuff. I was ONLY talking about normal grouping for a couple hours, what would normally occur (aggro control, healer responsibilities, etc), and character/equipment development (ie: nothing was handed to me for free from a "quest").

 

I've thought about it, and it makes sense over the past couple of years that being a NORMAL gamer has shifted to becoming "Hardcore", and now "Super Casual" is the new norm perhaps.

 

However, my question is what happened to being a Normal MMO Gamer??? When did the bracket get changed :(? Apparently spending more than a couple hours in one play session is now considered excessive by both developers and "Normal" gamers alike.

 

What happened D:

Yea well, whoever told you that you are a "hardcore" gamer, because you spend few-several hours in one play session, are the ones who point finger to a "hardcore" gamer, when they are hardcore staying on facebook with hours, hi5, tweeter and other sites like this. But hey, it's ALRIGHT to spend hours and hours on such sites, but somehow, it's not ok to spend it on a game. 

I would ignore such people, as if I ask them what do they do in the free time, they say that they play "farm vile" , and other facebook games, and when I ask them what's the difference between my games and their games, they are like ... "it is......" , and no other explication ! :)

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  Robokapp

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6/06/13 8:46:19 PM#26

the reason you can't be 'just a guy enjoying a game' is because that can't be quantified and can't fit into a simple organized spreadsheet that ranks players. humans at their core seek competition and indirect competition comes down to numerical comparisons.

 

is that more...easy to understand ?

  deamian

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6/06/13 9:01:21 PM#27

Using the term "Hardcore" to describe pushing keys and playing a video game is about as stupid as saying you are a hardcore dishwasher.. Unless you are saving lives via brain surgery, military, fighting fires or any other people putting their life on the line...get over yourself.

 

General statement, not aimed at anyone :) thanks enjoy your games.

  AIMonster

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6/06/13 9:13:32 PM#28

I wonder what these people consider players who actually played those old school MMOs "hardcore".  I still consider the following:

Casual  - Less than 10hrs a week

Semi-Hardcore - 10-40 hrs a week

Hardcore - 40+ hours a week

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  Kyleran

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6/06/13 9:13:36 PM#29

I've always been a gamer for as long a I can remember (back when the only games were found on boards) but I've never been considered "normal."

 

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  Rossboss

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6/06/13 9:15:23 PM#30

Normal and Hardcore are relative terms. They are also topical as to how extreme or not they actually are.

For instance, normal things to order at hamburgers joints are a hamburger and french fries. The hardcore option could be a double burger or supersized fries, depending on how big the burgers are and how hungry the person is.

 

Just keep in mind when you use those terms. They have no real static definition as they are based on rules that are dynamic to how we perceive norms from our individual point of view.

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  k11keeper

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6/06/13 9:23:59 PM#31
Originally posted by Rossboss

Normal and Hardcore are relative terms. They are also topical as to how extreme or not they actually are.

For instance, normal things to order at hamburgers joints are a hamburger and french fries. The hardcore option could be a double burger or supersized fries, depending on how big the burgers are and how hungry the person is.

 

Just keep in mind when you use those terms. They have no real static definition as they are based on rules that are dynamic to how we perceive norms from our individual point of view.

So true because when games required a minimum of 6 hours a day and pretty much all day saturday and sunday just to keep up with lvling was I normal for my accomplishment or hardcore for my time? Now even though I accomplish more less time (mainly because of game design) am I casual because of time or hardcore because of my accomplishments?

  ZombieKen

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6/06/13 9:30:17 PM#32
Originally posted by BearKnight
 

 

I've thought about it, and it makes sense over the past couple of years that being a NORMAL gamer has shifted to becoming "Hardcore", and now "Super Casual" is the new norm perhaps.

 

 

First off, congrats on the comp-sci education, and best of luck.  Two of my high school computer buddies went that route.  One with a Masters, the other with a Doctorate.  Both ended up doing quite well for themselves (Apple and Oracle).

 

As far as the new norm, I think you nailed it.  Conversion to mass-appeal gaming changed the playerbase, which in turn changed the genre.

 

 

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  DamonVile

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6/06/13 10:47:27 PM#33
Originally posted by rockin_ufo
Why can't I just be an MMO player who enjoys the game I play?

As long as you don't care what some stranger thinks you can.

  Loktofeit

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6/06/13 11:44:19 PM#34
Originally posted by BearKnight

I recently was having a discussion with some self proclaimed "Avid Gamers" from the college I'm going back to for my BA in Computer Science. In this discussion I mentioned the normal stuff you'd do in Everquest, DAOC, and SWG. The response I got was fairly shocking.

Mostly along the lines of "Wow, you're a pretty hardcore gamer. I'd have dropped that game in the first couple days".

REALLY?? I never even mentioned raiding, epic questing, or any of that stuff. I was ONLY talking about normal grouping for a couple hours, what would normally occur (aggro control, healer responsibilities, etc), and character/equipment development (ie: nothing was handed to me for free from a "quest").

I've thought about it, and it makes sense over the past couple of years that being a NORMAL gamer has shifted to becoming "Hardcore", and now "Super Casual" is the new norm perhaps.

However, my question is what happened to being a Normal MMO Gamer??? When did the bracket get changed :(? Apparently spending more than a couple hours in one play session is now considered excessive by both developers and "Normal" gamers alike.

What happened D:

What happened is time passed you by. People do things in shorter intervals and interact differently now. And by 'now' I mean the past 10 or so years. The change in how they play games is part of the greater change - how they live their life.

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  Icewhite

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6/07/13 5:42:00 AM#35
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by rockin_ufo
Why can't I just be an MMO player who enjoys the game I play?

As long as you don't care what some stranger thinks you can.

Yup. Assumption of superiority requires a target(s) to be your inferior.

Evaluating worth through game achievement requires that you agree to some sort of value in the ranking system.

 

But wait, that's only using a single definition of 'hardcore'. Being (usually) a self-selected label, there are many.

 

Originally posted by _redruM_

Can we come to some kind of a consensus as to what "hardcore" means?

Not any time in the previous 15 years, why start now?

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  bcbully

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6/07/13 6:03:59 AM#36

Awesome question.

 

I first noticed it at the end of the WoW's burning Crusade. Some will go directly to WoW's existence,  but I would have to disagree with them.

 

Until that point even WoW players worked to progress. If they did not work, build there toon, and skills the didn't get the rewards. At the end of BC Blizzard allowed players to skip progress, by nerfing the high end content so that everyone could try it  (the reward) despite progression.

 

This continued in later expansions. Dungeons that allowed the skipping of earlier progress by giving near equal gear.  In this community of 12 million gamers, an attitude of "give me now began."  

 

Since then copy cat developers have been giving players their reward faster and faster, with less effort. Jump to 2012, and you get developers selling their game on being "all fun, with no progression" 

 

Today if progression requires effort it's labled as grind, where as pre BC it was the progression that was fun.

 

 

 

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  emperorwings

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6/07/13 6:14:35 AM#37
I would classify myself as casual hardcore because although I don't play as much as I used to when I do play I no life it. But a real hardcore gamer is somoene who does that everyday and treats it more like an interactive spreadsheet because if you play it for long enough it turns into a second job + numbers game.

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  immodium

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6/07/13 6:23:20 AM#38
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by rockin_ufo
Why can't I just be an MMO player who enjoys the game I play?

As long as you don't care what some stranger thinks you can.

Yup. Assumption of superiority requires a target(s) to be your inferior.

Evaluating worth through game achievement requires that you agree to some sort of value in the ranking system.

 

But wait, that's only using a single definition of 'hardcore'. Being (usually) a self-selected label, there are many.

 

Originally posted by _redruM_

Can we come to some kind of a consensus as to what "hardcore" means?

Not any time in the previous 15 years, why start now?

Exactly.

 

My personal definition of 'Hardcore' within gaming has nothing to do with skill/talent, it's hours put in.

Hardcore for me is someone putting in 8+ hours a day in gaming.

  Icewhite

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6/07/13 6:32:02 AM#39
Originally posted by immodium
Exactly.

 

My personal definition of 'Hardcore' within gaming has nothing to do with skill/talent, it's hours put in.

Hardcore for me is someone putting in 8+ hours a day in gaming.

And I once put in a steady 30 hours a week raiding.

But some of our readers would surely gasp in horror if I were to suggest I was, ever, 'hardcore'. Doesn't match what they want to believe I am. Or what they believe 'hardcore' is (the PVP guys, for example, hold a completely other POV).

That one player does the same thing, all the time, for his entire gaming career is an implicit assumption, that a lot of people never even realize that they hold. And one of the enormous flaws with 'hardcore' and 'casual', as labels.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  BTrayaL

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6/07/13 6:38:57 AM#40

I remember the days (weeks in fact) in which I was farming with my clanmates for some A grade recipe in Lineage 2 (in the Beastfarm, for anyone that knows it)... day after day, for long hours, pretty much the same assigned party members (the ones that knew the area well), farming for about 10 rare recipes to craft bows for the clan's archers... nowadays, we would be called insane, but then, then we were just helping equip our clanmates.

P.S. For anyone that doesn't know it, L2 is open-world PvP, anyone can kill you anywhere, so we had to keep eyes out for PK parties or war-tags (clan wars) too :). It was fun, I'll tell you that much.

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