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  Jorl

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Joined: 2/05/12
Posts: 262

6/05/13 8:01:59 AM#21
Originally posted by grummz
Have you played the latest patch? Still asking if you feel this way after the patch, since the feedback would be helpful. Or is this based on an older version of the game?

Agreeing with Grummz. I haven't tried the latest patch and I would suggest those who are writing negative posts to take a look if they haven't done so to prove their points otherwise don't bother, I've always believed in that, if you're giving your opinions to bring proof otherwise its just not valid, feedback helps even if you think it doesn't.

EDIT: Give firefall another chance, help these guys and your self to make this game enjoyable. Too many people come onto closed/open beta and just complain but never give feedback.

  DMKano

Elite Member

Joined: 6/17/11
Posts: 7757

6/05/13 8:17:14 AM#22
Originally posted by orbitxo

people bitching abt  this long ass beta need to put a lid on it. we dotn  want another diablo3/defiance in the market.

 

Red5 has been doin a spectacular job testing the beta (years!) but, they have delivered a stellar product so far!

they are doin old school beta! and its been worth the wait.they are pure harcore gamer devs!

the Ares missions and SH events are awsome!

the new battleframe system is a welcoming change!

the content is beautiful!

and if you have been paying close attention on whats to come its goin to be big!!-

so red5 take your time!-the game is coming out Amazing!

 
i just started playing last week after a year break-and the game is awesome so far!!!
 
that video post here is horrid -what settings do u have!??? holy ...
 

Defiance has improved over the last 2 months more than Fire fall has done in 2 years IMO.

I still have no idea which direction Red 5 is taking this game into, they can't seem to decide what Firefall is.

I want to love Fire fall, but still find it lacking focus, and the engine is still not as good as Defiance, I've been doing  Defiance Sieges for the last two days with hordes of zombies and 50+ players all in one area with zero lag.

 

  Pinchfist

Novice Member

Joined: 6/13/06
Posts: 40

6/05/13 8:23:58 AM#23

I've not, actually.  I downloaded it last night and will login tonight after work.  I had stopped playing for a while after a muck up with my commander founder pack caused me to lose all of my progress (a new character had to be created and I wasn't enjoying it enough to bother between work and family).  That said, I kept up with all the patch notes and while some changes look nice, all I've seen still doesn't' add up to open beta and cash shop phase.  Perhaps that's just me, but I do grow tired of all the "open beta" releases.  I think Red 5 has some great ideas -- that's why I dropped the bill on your project, but I would implore you to take your time and polish the game.  I'm not sure exactly when the industry decided that releasing titles in a clearly unfinished state (even dynamic content games can have a "finished" level of decorum and finality in terms of polish, style, and mechanics).  I love what you're doing, but I just don't think that it's ready to go yet.  Will it be a breakout title and succeed against these odds?  I don't know.  I do know that the market will judge pretty harshly once this hits open beta -- it's been seen time and time again (especially over the last 5-6 years) with titles that are in better shape as far as the state of their product goes.

I guess I'm not surprised that this is going to happen, I just don't always drop money as a founder only to see the rug pulled out from under me.  Oh well.  This isn't the first time that this has happened, and it won't be the last, but it would be nice if Red 5 et al. would try and move away from the open beta release/community collapse model.  It's getting old.   :(

  Elqueso96

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/05/13
Posts: 3

6/05/13 10:08:55 AM#24
Originally posted by grummz
Have you played the latest patch? Still asking if you feel this way after the patch, since the feedback would be helpful. Or is this based on an older version of the game?

I've seen how poorly your community team treats people that post negative feedback even when the negative feedback is level headed and posted in a respectful manner...  Best reason to avoid r5's forum is to avoid their cyber bullies.  Before someone posts the whole, trying to discredit this opinion, i have even had a conversation with someone who was an NCO before that program was suspended and he said he considered Phobos a bully. Its not a small niche community that feels bullied by them. 

  Dakirn

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/16/04
Posts: 380

6/05/13 11:45:01 AM#25

Open beta is NOT release. They are not calling it release. They are moving to Open Beta to get more players to greater stress the servers and give more feedback.

 

Don't blame Red 5 for the bastardization of the term Open Beta. Blame Neverwinter. Open Beta IS NOT RELEASE.

 

If you don't want to spend money supporting Red 5, fine, don't. There is absolutely nothing you need to spend money on to play. Nothing. The only thing spending red beans gets you is faster resource refining times/crafting final items, instant battleframe unlocks or cosmetic items/paints.

 

Three new areas coming with the Open Beta patch along with the first 5-man instance and a bunch of other things.

 

Durability isn't even an issue with the amount of resources you get for everything, it's only a small resource sink.  People who still shout about it just haven't played the game and tested it and are letting their fears override common sense. I hated it when it came out but it's so minor I don't even notice it anymore.

 

At least try the current game instead of spouting stupid non-sense about the a state of the game that isn't even true.

  Avarix

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/22/12
Posts: 338

6/05/13 12:01:45 PM#26
I really enjoyed the game. I love the idea and think it has tremendous polish but it had a major lack of content. I'm not talking about getting bored in a couple weeks like most mmos that have hit the market lately, I'm talking days. It has the idea, the production, the polish, and the mechanics (Outside of a weak AI) but it didn't have the content at all. I will download it later today and check out the updates. Full disclosure, it has been a while since I have played. I just can't imagine they put in nearly enough content yet but I will check it out for myself. The game is really solid, just need more of it.
  Scalpless

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/22/07
Posts: 1393

6/05/13 12:11:15 PM#27
Originally posted by Dakirn

Open beta is NOT release. They are not calling it release. They are moving to Open Beta to get more players to greater stress the servers and give more feedback.

Beta phases are generally for polish and bug fixes, so a real open beta wouldn't be THAT different from a release. The state Firefall has been in is more similar to what's traditionally called alpha - a raw version of the game with lots of content missing and the basic mechanics up to change.

  Katrisa

Novice Member

Joined: 12/24/09
Posts: 109

6/05/13 12:18:43 PM#28

 

Ive been following FireFall for along time now and I honestly feel it gets better every week! I love the look and feel and the whole idea behind the game.

There is plenty to do in FF but the difference with FF is its not going to hold your hand from mission to mission. The content is there. PVE, PVP, Thumping (which i really enjoy), missions, invasions... All great fun but you have to be in the world and things happen.  When I get on I normally start by thumping but that quickly turns into a mission or fighting off an invasion. Im never looking for things to do anymore :)

 

thanks R5! <3

 

/meow

  orbitxo

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/25/06
Posts: 1366

6/05/13 12:38:54 PM#29
Originally posted by DMKano
 

Defiance has improved over the last 2 months more than Fire fall has done in 2 years IMO.

I still have no idea which direction Red 5 is taking this game into, they can't seem to decide what Firefall is.

I want to love Fire fall, but still find it lacking focus, and the engine is still not as good as Defiance, I've been doing  Defiance Sieges for the last two days with hordes of zombies and 50+ players all in one area with zero lag.

 

really you need a company to tell you howto play a game?

this is a great example how forums light up on fire with a new game they expect something that dosent deliver their expectations.

what i mean is 'they tell you how to play the game' you dotn like it -its feels broken and complain about it forever on their forums. without the forums ever being heard.

what i am loving about firefall /red5=they listen!

an open world (with event features) and  stated- 'we heard you-we want you to play however  YOU want to play. thats from beta playerbase feedback! so i prefer to play a game i mold than rather cookie crumb me in circles...

my interpretation of their

direction is much like eveonlines. and ive played eve for 4.5 yrs.

their style= like Borderlands2

their world= like  GW2...

and yes they have uniquely presented new features i havent seen in other games before (battleframes-pvp maps-etc..) , thye just started fleshing out the lore- so i can only see this game getting better!

 

 

 
  FlyByKnight

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/31/12
Posts: 609

6/05/13 6:46:32 PM#30

Closed/Open Beta = Term game developers and their legal staff use to justify accepting money transactions while holding themselves legally indemnified from consumer class action (for false advertising/marketing and not providing expected product).

Period.

  hypoxia857

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/21/13
Posts: 1

6/06/13 1:21:04 AM#31
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

Closed/Open Beta = Term game developers and their legal staff use to justify accepting money transactions while holding themselves legally indemnified from consumer class action (for false advertising/marketing and not providing expected product).

Period.

Not period, lol, it's standard practice not only in the game market but in any software development market to have customer feedback. That is by definition what Beta means. What the community as a whole chooses to think has no bearing on what is fact. Whether you chose to acknowledge it is your prerogative, but the truth is a highly skilled group of developers have poured their lives into bringing this game to market.  I have been developing software for near 10 years and find it interesting how easily kids these days slander the very people who are trying to appease them.  FireFall is offering a free product that require no investment or commitment from you the consumer.  Back before many of you were alive, the only way we could try a game out was to drive to Blockbuster and rent the game.  You have to do nothing, simply sit at the computer and click a download link, what's more, the company actively encourages player feedback to help develop the game to the markets liking.  You would be remiss to assume that feedback is disregarded, I do not envy the public relations department at my company, poor guys are swamped with customer feedback, and we don't even make games.  Every Monday I have a 20 - 30 page document that summaries the previous weeks customer feedback, and as developers we are expected to use that document as a guideline in our development.  I write this not to defend FireFall or scold players for lashing out, I feel many players these days speak without understanding the truth of the situation. You guys have it good, as gamers at least, so just enjoy the fact you are living in what feels like the golden age of gaming for us old timers.  As far as FireFall goes, its free you just have to click a button, let player chose for themselves.  Remember the vast majority of people could care less what you think of a game.

 

ohh I almost forgot FlyByKnight, you may think you're smart, all those hours flipping burgers really must give you time to think. But honestly anyone with a GED knows that's just not how the software industry works.   

  FlyByKnight

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/31/12
Posts: 609

6/06/13 3:48:03 AM#32
Originally posted by hypoxia857
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

Closed/Open Beta = Term game developers and their legal staff use to justify accepting money transactions while holding themselves legally indemnified from consumer class action (for false advertising/marketing and not providing expected product).

Period.

Not period, lol, it's standard practice not only in the game market but in any software development market to have customer feedback. That is by definition what Beta means. What the community as a whole chooses to think has no bearing on what is fact. Whether you chose to acknowledge it is your prerogative, but the truth is a highly skilled group of developers have poured their lives into bringing this game to market.  I have been developing software for near 10 years and find it interesting how easily kids these days slander the very people who are trying to appease them.  FireFall is offering a free product that require no investment or commitment from you the consumer.  Back before many of you were alive, the only way we could try a game out was to drive to Blockbuster and rent the game.  You have to do nothing, simply sit at the computer and click a download link, what's more, the company actively encourages player feedback to help develop the game to the markets liking.  You would be remiss to assume that feedback is disregarded, I do not envy the public relations department at my company, poor guys are swamped with customer feedback, and we don't even make games.  Every Monday I have a 20 - 30 page document that summaries the previous weeks customer feedback, and as developers we are expected to use that document as a guideline in our development.  I write this not to defend FireFall or scold players for lashing out, I feel many players these days speak without understanding the truth of the situation. You guys have it good, as gamers at least, so just enjoy the fact you are living in what feels like the golden age of gaming for us old timers.  As far as FireFall goes, its free you just have to click a button, let player chose for themselves.  Remember the vast majority of people could care less what you think of a game.

 

ohh I almost forgot FlyByKnight, you may think you're smart, all those hours flipping burgers really must give you time to think. But honestly anyone with a GED knows that's just not how the software industry works.   

Beta is the most abused word in PC gaming right now, and everyone knows it. Take your old fan boy ass back to Firefall Forums you lame. Go enjoy your Commander Pack.

Yes it's very clear how old and out of touch you are. "Flipping burgers" and "GED" insults? Really? Go back to the 70's Horshack.

P.S. Fuck your life story. Nobody asked, what was that bout?

  Elqueso96

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/05/13
Posts: 3

6/06/13 9:44:03 AM#33
Originally posted by hypoxia857
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

Closed/Open Beta = Term game developers and their legal staff use to justify accepting money transactions while holding themselves legally indemnified from consumer class action (for false advertising/marketing and not providing expected product).

Period.

Not period, lol, it's standard practice not only in the game market but in any software development market to have customer feedback. That is by definition what Beta means. What the community as a whole chooses to think has no bearing on what is fact. Whether you chose to acknowledge it is your prerogative, but the truth is a highly skilled group of developers have poured their lives into bringing this game to market.  I have been developing software for near 10 years and find it interesting how easily kids these days slander the very people who are trying to appease them.  FireFall is offering a free product that require no investment or commitment from you the consumer.  Back before many of you were alive, the only way we could try a game out was to drive to Blockbuster and rent the game.  You have to do nothing, simply sit at the computer and click a download link, what's more, the company actively encourages player feedback to help develop the game to the markets liking.  You would be remiss to assume that feedback is disregarded, I do not envy the public relations department at my company, poor guys are swamped with customer feedback, and we don't even make games.  Every Monday I have a 20 - 30 page document that summaries the previous weeks customer feedback, and as developers we are expected to use that document as a guideline in our development.  I write this not to defend FireFall or scold players for lashing out, I feel many players these days speak without understanding the truth of the situation. You guys have it good, as gamers at least, so just enjoy the fact you are living in what feels like the golden age of gaming for us old timers.  As far as FireFall goes, its free you just have to click a button, let player chose for themselves.  Remember the vast majority of people could care less what you think of a game.

 

ohh I almost forgot FlyByKnight, you may think you're smart, all those hours flipping burgers really must give you time to think. But honestly anyone with a GED knows that's just not how the software industry works.   

 

the company doesn't actively encourage player feedback. The community team actively bullies people who calmly provide negative feedback. Its simply an image game. If people give positive feedback with maybe a couple minor gripes, they praise the thread, maybe defend any minor gripes you had. They'e like, look at what this 3rd party thought of our product! If you post mostly negative feedback even in a polite even manner, you get harassed in PMs or IRC and asked to leave the community, a couple people have gotten banned when they haven't. They even keep most testers in the dark of what they're working on, just confiding in a small circle of testers that help them keep their inflated ego's by kissing their asses and praising their ideas, then those testers end up bragging behind closed doors how they just feed the developers complements and the developer told them this or that. Then it isn't until 6 or more months down the line before the majority of the community finds out about it.

Being that you don't work for a games company, i am not surprised to see your PR and yourself take your customer's complaints and concerns with such high regard. I think game companies are notorious for their poor PR. 

Yes, many devs have worked many hours to bring the game to fruition, you seem to ignore the many beta testers that also have thousands of hours invested in the game and deserve some respect. Some individual testers probably investing more time than any single dev. 

  Demmi77

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6/06/13 10:05:52 AM#34

I was in teh beta a very long time ago and it just didn't offer what i thought it was going to be. A mmofps with borderlands graphics. It was just one area doing the same thing over and over.

I have not played it in about a year (which tells you how long ago i was testing this). I'll give it another whirl tonight. I am starting to just stay away from f2p games more and more though to be honest. If you don't value your product enough to charge for it , then it's most likely not ready for release.

im starting to stay away from titles that include f2p+open beta anywhere in it. It's safe to assume cash grab, not ready for release, pay 2 win, terrible support etc...

 

 

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