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General Discussion  » 62% player retention rate is amazing!

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  Sk1ppeR

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6/04/13 8:59:58 AM#41
Originally posted by Kshahdoo

 


Originally posted by Sk1ppeR

Originally posted by Kshahdoo  

Originally posted by jdlamson75 I unsubbed the instant I saw that AV changed the date, but I subbed back up for the second month.  That said, I have unsubbed again, haven't logged in for more than two hours in the past week, and won't be logging in again.  I would say that more than half of my clan of 50 people is in the same boat - won't be resubbing, haven't been seen in weeks.     I gave AV a chance to bring more to the table, and I leave disappointed.  Oh well.  There's always Minecraft.
  But the game is full of players and my clan has around 40 people every evening in TS... There is nothing to play on the market anyway. It's only EVE and Darkfall. So if you don't play one of these games then you're just a wrong person for this market.
And who are you to judge who is the right or wrong person for a given market? Keep deluding yourself about your crappy game and keep believing it is good. In the meantime I'll play a real MMO which doesn't ask for my credit card each month. I CHOOSE to give them my money and I obviously get more content for the $$ I give.

 

Enough said.


 

As to who am I to judge, I'm a professional. I've been writing about games for 13 years already, was an editor of a big Russian gaming magazine and work on a big Russian gaming site right now. I know something about games, but never question other people who are they to judge, btw...

That doesn't give you the right to judge who should play a type of game. Everybody can work in a gaming magazine, or have a blog. That doesn't grant them the right to judge. Now go back and right in your little gaming mag and spare us your opinion, because from what you have said so far, ultimately - nobody cares 

PS: Even if you work for IGN / Machinima / GameSpot ... saying what you said earlier would have you fired on the spot, so yeah ... you are nobody on the internet :) 

  MMOGamer71

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6/04/13 9:10:47 AM#42
Originally posted by -Zeno-

Industry standard for buy-to-end-of-first-month (first sub charge) is 40%

Source please.

  Flex1

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“Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot.”The Hausa of Nigeria

6/04/13 9:15:59 AM#43

All you darkfall players were scammed, hard, into buying and paying monthly for an alpha testing of a game in a possible Pre-alpha state.

 

What is even sadder is that 100% of you deny this so strongly you end up actually believing your it. All you had to do was look at the history of the first game then logically come to the conclusion that this second game was going to be more of the same.

 

So this game offers you Free For All Lies, Full Loot of Deceit, and freedom you scam you out of your hard earned money.


  Badaboom

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6/04/13 9:23:28 AM#44
Originally posted by Flex1

All you darkfall players were scammed, hard, into buying and paying monthly for an alpha testing of a game in a possible Pre-alpha state.

 

What is even sadder is that 100% of you deny this so strongly you end up actually believing your it. All you had to do was look at the history of the first game then logically come to the conclusion that this second game was going to be more of the same.

 

So this game offers you Free For All Lies, Full Loot of Deceit, and freedom you scam you out of your hard earned money.

You sound mad bro.

  Sk1ppeR

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6/04/13 9:24:06 AM#45
Originally posted by Flex1

All you darkfall players were scammed, hard, into buying and paying monthly for an alpha testing of a game in a possible Pre-alpha state.

 

What is even sadder is that 100% of you deny this so strongly you end up actually believing your it. All you had to do was look at the history of the first game then logically come to the conclusion that this second game was going to be more of the same.

 

So this game offers you Free For All Lies, Full Loot of Deceit, and freedom you scam you out of your hard earned money.

QFT, couldn't said it any better. And here I thought WoW was brainwashing xD Couldn't have I been more wrong

  User Deleted
6/04/13 9:24:54 AM#46

I don't know if I was "scammed" or not, all I know is that no other MMORPG I have tried in the past few months and years, has come close to keeping me involved with and invested in my character as I am with my DFUW character.

It's a shame, but those are the anonymity swamps of the Internet, that people make such crass and sweeping statements that are not even close to being in touch with reality, and however scare away potential players.

Why do so many begrudge the fun that some players are having? Why try to bring down a game that you clearly don't enjoy playing, yet keep coming back to to complain about? Live and let live.

  AZHokie54

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6/04/13 9:26:06 AM#47
Originally posted by sabotage23
Game is a piece of crap, i regret wasteing $30 bucks on this junk. I dont know how anyone can play this, its like a game from the 1990's with its crappy animations and graphics.

Pretty much this, although I didn't waste $30 on it. 

Terrible game is terrible.

  Mkilbride

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6/04/13 9:26:40 AM#48

The irony of a DF player saying "Live and let live"

 

Cannot be lost on anyone.

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  Badaboom

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6/04/13 9:40:28 AM#49

Sounds like there are a lot of people in this thread don't like Darkfall.  Oh well, there are plenty of other games for you to try. 

As to OP, I'm curious where you got your numbers.  It does seem to match up with our guilds retention rate though.  A few people leave and a few more never log on.  Probably closer to a 70% retention rate.  This is just a small sample though.  I imagine a person trying to do it on their own would have a much tougher go at it and have a lower sub retention rate.

I'm still having a blast though.

  Caldrin

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6/04/13 10:03:32 AM#50

I guess the only numbers we can really look at are the steam ones..

 

http://steamcharts.com/app/227400#1m

 

but of course the numbers are puny on steam max was just over 500 at launch and now on average they are hitting about 300 a day.

 

I don't know many people in my clan that are still playing.. i stopped after about a week i think a few did re-sub but are not playing.

Another clan that share our mumble still look pretty active but i don't know if its just darkfall they play.

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  ShakyMo

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6/04/13 10:20:56 AM#51
Azhook

How do you know its terrible if you didn't waste $30 on it?
  Sk1ppeR

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6/04/13 10:20:58 AM#52
Originally posted by mmobootsy

I don't know if I was "scammed" or not, all I know is that no other MMORPG I have tried in the past few months and years, has come close to keeping me involved with and invested in my character as I am with my DFUW character.

It's a shame, but those are the anonymity swamps of the Internet, that people make such crass and sweeping statements that are not even close to being in touch with reality, and however scare away potential players.

Why do so many begrudge the fun that some players are having? Why try to bring down a game that you clearly don't enjoy playing, yet keep coming back to to complain about? Live and let live.

Because people like you are trying to shove it down our throats with lying topics like this one

  Badaboom

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6/04/13 10:26:31 AM#53
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Azhook

How do you know its terrible if you didn't waste $30 on it?

My guess is he was an old DF1 account who got to play UW for the price of a sub fee from the limited time offer.  Probably also upset that you cannot macro by shooting in the are or swimming against a wall.

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

6/04/13 10:37:15 AM#54

I'm not surprised their retention rate includes players charged by a quick switch of the pay date.

They have a history of fraudulent charges from the Darkfall 1 days even.

It's a company that should not be supported.  Just because there aren't many games like this one doesn't make this one quality or its company ethical.

Aventurine disgusts me really.  They almost constantly lie about dates and the state of the game.  It's pathetic and continuous.

El Psy Congroo

  wartyxwt

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6/04/13 10:40:01 AM#55

OP and anyone that has played DFUW knows for a fact that the "screenshot" is utterly unobtainable in game. Whereas UO and WoW are actual in game shots. Come on OP, if you have subbed why don't you go recreate it in game, and show us the real visuals.

DFUW is a bitter tragedy. DF was too, but at least at it's core it was good, just mismanaged. DFUW is terrible AND mismanaged still.

Love the AV apologists.. first it was an patch, then an expansion, then a new game but we'd have it for free, then they said we'd get the free month for buying AND a FREE MONTH on top. Then they took the free month, leaving 2 days for people to realize and cancel, and didn't tell a fucking soul, more than half the subs probably think they are still on free time.

How the fuck anyone can justify that, even to a mere 1k subs...

 

DF will always amaze me at how such a poor company managed to produce a potential runaway hit, and then proceed to shit on it until it's dead. TWICE

  Badaboom

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6/04/13 10:46:02 AM#56
Originally posted by wartyxwt

 

DF will always amaze me at how such a poor company managed to produce a potential runaway hit, and then proceed to shit on it until it's dead. TWICE

Yes, it certainly does show an appetite for this niche.  The company that gets it right, will be the next EvE-like hit.

  Mkilbride

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6/04/13 10:52:06 AM#57

Exactly. I'd like to hear an official retention rate from AV. Unlikely we'd get one.

 

There was a poll, on the DFUW forums, 900 users chimed in, 67% of the poll said they would NOT be re-subbing. Now, 900 users is not all DFUW has, but it is a sizable amount, and over 600 of them said they wouldn't resub, and it's not like every player is on the forums.

 

Last AV talked, less than 2500 total subs on both servers.

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  Pie_Rat

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6/04/13 11:25:19 AM#58
Originally posted by JimmyYO
[mod edit]

If you were in the game you'd know that 60% retention is totally feasible. The activity (at least on EU1) hasn't dropped at all since day one as far as I can tell. I even would've hazarded a higher percentage.

  Kyleran

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6/04/13 11:34:02 AM#59
Originally posted by Pie_Rat
Originally posted by JimmyYO

Darkfall has a 4% retention rate, how horrendous.

 

My statistic is equally as legit as the OP, since I provided an equal amount of proof to my claim.

You guys are getting fanboi trolled hard.

If you were in the game you'd know that 60% retention is totally feasible. The activity (at least on EU1) hasn't dropped at all since day one as far as I can tell. I even would've hazarded a higher percentage.

Your comment reminds me of jury instructions the defense attorney gave us, "just because something is possible doesn't mean it's true, there remains a reasonable doubt without hard evidence to the contrary"

Fun topic to debate, with people supporting both sides of the argument with claims made based on their personal perception and experience, but like finding out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know.

But hey, as long as you are satisfied and enjoying the game, doesn't really matter what anyone thinks about the retention rates.

 

Arrogant, Dismissive, Elitist, you speak as if these are bad things?
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  Davirok

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6/04/13 12:12:35 PM#60

Even if 60% seems to be an accurate perception of the current retention rate, why would you say an exact number. Saying 62% is pretty much like saying 62,57% of the total playerbase keeps playing this shit, which makes no sense at all, since you got no fucking idea what the real number is.

The same situation: Imagine your friend has a nest full of apples, he throws a half away, and then he asks you how many apples are left, then you say, 67%, now imagine your friends face.

I see many flaws in here lol.

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