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  Ginaz

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Joined: 4/01/07
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6/02/13 2:16:06 PM#21
Originally posted by Arakazi
Wow, is he new to the internet then?

I'd like to post one of those "Welcome to the internet" meme pictures for Mr. Appleton but I know I'd be banned if I did.  He's not worth it.

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

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  TheJoda

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6/02/13 3:29:38 PM#22
Originally posted by Omali
Originally posted by erictlewis

I cant find the thread as that thread has been deleted, but Appleton threatened to sue MMORPG,  there was an article about that and he got really defensive in that Article as well, but I cant find it now, so I guess that one got deleted as well.

So MMORPG just removed all of the threads and all of the bashing that Appleton was getting.  

I have Bill Murphy's response to the game being unlisted: http://mmofallout.com/?p=10292

 

In case this hasn’t been answered yet, yes.  He emailed me directly and asked us to remove the negative posts about the game.  He also hinted at taking legal action if we didn’t remove the posts of our users, and we decided we didn’t need a baseless lawsuit.

If you want to blame someone for the removal of the game listing and forums, blame Jason Appleton.  But when someone threatens us with legal action, we can either a.) ignore it or b.) react with what we think is appropriate.  In Greed Monger’s case, it’s probably just better to igore its existence as a website.

I wish the Greed Monger devs well, but I’m not too thrilled with how they handled the negativity our forum users tossed their way.  If they can’t take the criticism and claims of trolls, they’re in for a rude awakening in this industry.

Maybe one day we’ll re-add the game to our list, but that depends on whether or not our users are allowed to post about it without the site being under threat of legal recourse.

....and I get called a troll and banned a lott?.....geez this takes the cake!

....Being Banned from MMORPG's forums since 2010, for Trolling the Trolls!!!

  Mkilbride

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Joined: 9/01/07
Posts: 650

6/02/13 3:43:19 PM#23

What, a dev threatened legal action....over forum trolls?

 

I actually liked those screenshots, but if the developer is immature, then the game will be crap.

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  gigat

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Joined: 6/24/10
Posts: 611

6/02/13 4:47:40 PM#24

To be fair, I think Appleton may have had good intentions (in regards to trying to produce a MMORPG), but he wasn't prepared for the unbridled criticism which followed some of his questionable decisions (and probably wasn't prepared for the complex nature of developing a MMORPG). He quickly discovered that Internet forum-goers will gladly criticize every little nuance of his life leading up to -- and beyond -- the present day. Conspiracy theorists, skeptics, and hardcore fans alike each took turns investigating and debating the finer points of Appleton's decisions. Many of them had valid arguments, which were heavily debated by all.

The real issue arose when Appleton decided to personally partake in those debates. When things didn't go his way, he had a tendency to abuse his position -- and in some cases his authority -- by issuing bans and completely silencing negative critics and criticism. In some cases, he made very strong statements that could be considered offensive or abusive (a "fight fire with fire" mentality).

There were instances where the negative criticism couldn't be removed or silenced by means within Appleton's control (i.e. he has no direct control of the members or moderation of the MMORPG.com forums). In these situations, he made legal threats (or hinted at legal action).

According to Appleton, these extreme measures were in the best interest of defending his image and reputation as a family man and professional businessman (he didn't want potential partners or clients to search for him on Google, and find all of this negative criticism posted by bitter gamers and haters). This is understandable, but he could have approached it in a different way.

Worse than the criticism posted by gamers, were the remarks made by Appleton himself. He may be a successful businessman and good at organizing teams for whatever he's working on, but don't let him communicate with any customers who have anything but glowingly positive things to say about his character or his work. He has proven that he has a short temper and does not receive criticism well, and will return the criticism in-kind (usually by attacking or threatening the critics).

 

Appleton may or may not have organized an amazing team with some incredibly bright artists and programmers capable of producing the best MMORPG ever, but it's in his best interest to avoid communicating with potential gamers, because he will likely turn them away. I won't dismiss this game based on Appleton alone, I will follow it cautiously, because who knows? Maybe his team will actually produce something worth playing.  Appleton seems passionate about his work, so maybe he can pull it off.

"Lose the helmet sis, we can't prove that you're retarded." - Dennis Reynolds

  JamesP

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Joined: 1/04/06
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6/02/13 4:55:09 PM#25
Originally posted by Mkilbride

What, a dev threatened legal action....over forum trolls?

 

I actually liked those screenshots, but if the developer is immature, then the game will be crap.

It's not that Jason or any of our Team is immature. We were planning on Greed Monger the GAME being attacked and trolled. It was the Personal attacks against us as people that took us by surprise and we reacted accordingly. We have learned from our past mistakes and we have a community manager who handles any personal attacks for us and it seems to be working nicely now. 

I personally read every post in this thread including all the negative comments against us. The Great thing about our Country is that every one is entitled to their own opinions and personally I wouldn't have it any other way. With that comes the right to think anything about us people want to and I'm ok with that. I just hope one day we can prove the negative wrong and look back on this and laugh it off!

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  Jyiiga

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Joined: 3/03/10
Posts: 1057

6/02/13 6:25:13 PM#26

Hopefully they delete this and they never let you back on this site. You don't threaten to sue people then want back in good graces later on. 

 

 

  aRtFuLThinG

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Joined: 4/30/09
Posts: 1133

6/02/13 7:07:40 PM#27

The thing I don't get is why the devs at Greed Monger keeps on insisting on playing 1-upsmanship vs forum goers on this forum.

 

Just let it go, say "okay buddy" and stop arguing with people who are your potential customers. Arguments makes you looks bad to the bystanders (the "neutrals") who are looking at your threads because it gives people a negative vibe.

 

You don't see the devs on Repopulation waste time arguing with naysayers. All the ever posted was progress reports.

 

If Blizzard, EA or SOE keeps on wasting time on arguing with customers over every little details or bashing on the track records of their devs and CEOs they would've never made any money or gotten anything done.

  RPGForever

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Joined: 2/21/11
Posts: 121

 
OP  6/02/13 8:10:39 PM#28
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

The thing I don't get is why the devs at Greed Monger keeps on insisting on playing 1-upsmanship vs forum goers on this forum.

 

Just let it go, say "okay buddy" and stop arguing with people who are your potential customers. Arguments makes you looks bad to the bystanders (the "neutrals") who are looking at your threads because it gives people a negative vibe.

 

You don't see the devs on Repopulation waste time arguing with naysayers. All the ever posted was progress reports.

 

If Blizzard, EA or SOE keeps on wasting time on arguing with customers over every little details or bashing on the track records of their devs and CEOs they would've never made any money or gotten anything done.

This guy has a point, Jason Appleton for those do not know it, he is an expert in mixed martial arts and in such environment it is not a place in which you can fix things just by speaking. I am not saying he is a violent guy per se, but through many years he  is probably been exposed to provocation and he has fixed the matter with punches and kicks. Perhaps he lacked the character to just stand provocation and leave it pass and his custom to return the hit made him to just respond any blow he received. He is not a bad guy, just lacked some experience and character, he is a young man and has the right to make mistakes.

  Mkilbride

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Joined: 9/01/07
Posts: 650

6/02/13 8:16:13 PM#29

Yeah, the fact he takes time to come here and respond to such posts says he is not ready for the business life.

 

YOu're going to get death threats, insults, comments, ect, and you can't respond to them all, or threaten to sue fans for their random remarks. That's killing yourself.

 

I have no interest in this game at all now.

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  Epicent

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Posts: 671

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6/02/13 8:33:02 PM#30
Originally posted by JamesP
Originally posted by Mkilbride

What, a dev threatened legal action....over forum trolls?

 

I actually liked those screenshots, but if the developer is immature, then the game will be crap.

It's not that Jason or any of our Team is immature. We were planning on Greed Monger the GAME being attacked and trolled. It was the Personal attacks against us as people that took us by surprise and we reacted accordingly. We have learned from our past mistakes and we have a community manager who handles any personal attacks for us and it seems to be working nicely now. 

I personally read every post in this thread including all the negative comments against us. The Great thing about our Country is that every one is entitled to their own opinions and personally I wouldn't have it any other way. With that comes the right to think anything about us people want to and I'm ok with that. I just hope one day we can prove the negative wrong and look back on this and laugh it off!

Why on earth are you worried about personal attacks. You should be more worried about the development of your game. If your game is developed well the userbase you are aiming for will see that and react accordingly.........and if you are making horrible design choices.........well then.............the userbase will call you out on that too. What happened here is Appleton went tattletale to the teacher that he was getting picked on. "Teacher teacher, they are talking bad about me." Grow the eff up I say. I mean, you are making a game and you didn't expect this? You could take a lesson from FF14. Look at the crap they swallowed and now look at where it is on the unreleased charts anticipation list. They didnt attack the users. They listened. The users told them how crappy there game was and they listened. Your game will promptly crash after leaving the runway with the behavior you are now known for. And THIS genre more than ANY genre within the videogame industry, company reputation is very very important. I'm telling you this behavior has lost you alot of potential users. I for one was very interested in the concept even after seeing the negative about the game on this site, what turned me off from EVER playing it was Appletons childish crybaby response, not the negatives from this site. Or havent you noticed ANY game on ANY forum has good and bad opinions thrown out there. I mean for effs sake you would think WoW was the most unsuccessful piece of crap according to users here but guess what, the majority of users here have given Blizzard lots of money, they just never came on here crying and moaning. I have the utmost respect for devs, especially independant but do us all a favor and get the hell out our forums if you dont want your game listed here. If you cant cook with the big boys get out the kitchen!!!!

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