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  Raventree

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6/01/13 10:40:10 AM#141

Since the Elder Scroll games have always been very sandboxy, I would have expected a PVP setup sort of like Eve, which could have been fun.  The people who have stated that open world PVP just encourages max level chars ganking low level chars at quest hubs are right, though.  There is a certain level of fun by looking over your shoulder and wondering if someone questing in the same area is going to jump you, but it is overshadowed by jerks that think the most fun is one-shotting low level chars with your high level guy.  This is only fun to the guys who like to gank lowbies and the guys like me that like to punish those guys by parking my high level char in lowbie zones to bust them out when the gankers show up.

DAoC had it right with a large RVR zone and PVE areas that were separate.  You went and PVPed until you got sick of it and then went back to questing.  This worked because there were no max-level battlegrounds, the RVR area WAS your max level playground.  As soon as you have BGs at max level you dilute the participation and the point of RVR.

That being said, the Eve model on the other end of the spectrum would also work and maybe makes more sense for this particular style game.

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  Zelon

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6/01/13 2:02:09 PM#142
No thx
  Shadanwolf

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6/01/13 4:33:38 PM#143
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by ezduzit

I have to agree. PVP zones or arena have no place in a future MMO. It's part of the same old crap that is proven ineffective to the pvp community.

 

The DAoC model used in ESO for PvP is one well loved and reminisced by many hard core PvP fan. Myself included. They could not have picked a better PvP model IMO. Open world PvP everywhere mostly leads to two things. Players picking on low level chars and camping quest hubs. Or PvP groups spread out so thin you dont get much PvP action. All PvP focused on one big map means more large scale battles and removes the griefers. 

Well said

  SirBalin

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6/01/13 4:35:08 PM#144
Originally posted by Dauzqul

So ESO stated that their PvP will be [mod edit]., dedicated PvP area.

 

I'm done with the sass. No thanks.

 

This game seems to be more like a medieval SWTOR, anyways.

Yea...thats why I'm not getting it...should have a pvp server and pve server.  Problem is, they are trying to cater to both...which will not work as neither side will be happy.

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  ShakyMo

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6/01/13 4:53:49 PM#145
I'm a pvper.

I would not be happy with wow style "pvp" servers AT ALL.
  aspekx

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6/01/13 5:01:08 PM#146
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Well at least you have made your mind up, so now you can look forward to some other game.

thing is, i always wonder what mmorpg these people go and play once they've announced another mmorpg has failed at pvp once again.

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  Horusra

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6/01/13 5:19:05 PM#147
Glad the OWPvP'ers will be somewhere else.
  Panzerbase

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6/01/13 5:23:02 PM#148
Another bro how am I going to gank lowbies thread, sigh. 
  baphamet

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6/01/13 5:58:14 PM#149


Originally posted by Horusra
Glad the OWPvP'ers will be somewhere else.

i like OWpvp very much and will be playing this game at launch. from the sounds of it, cyrodiil sounds like its going to be just like the other pve areas (in size and in content) just with pve enabled and added pvp content.

maybe i am wrong but i am hoping that cryodiil will feel like OWpvp because people will be doing pve content and the danger of ganking will be there.

if anyone is upset that they can't gank a lowbie, they are probably just bad at pvp anyways.

  Zeddakis

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6/01/13 6:06:29 PM#150
Originally posted by Dauzqul

So ESO stated that their PvP will be [mod edit]., dedicated PvP area.

 

I'm done with the sass. No thanks.

 

This game seems to be more like a medieval SWTOR, anyways.

Thanks for your post. I have been sitting around my house for days wondering if you planned on playing ESO or not. Now I can go on with my life.

  Iselin

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6/01/13 6:23:16 PM#151
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by Horusra
Glad the OWPvP'ers will be somewhere else.

 

i like OWpvp very much and will be playing this game at launch. from the sounds of it, cyrodiil sounds like its going to be just like the other pve areas (in size and in content) just with pve enabled and added pvp content.

maybe i am wrong but i am hoping that cryodiil will feel like OWpvp because people will be doing pve content and the danger of ganking will be there.

if anyone is upset that they can't gank a lowbie, they are probably just bad at pvp anyways.

DAoC had some PvE quests (not many but some) in the frontiers and there were also a few good grinding areas for those pesky last couple of levels.

I remember many times being there with just a couple of friends playing cat and mouse with raids of 20 or more on their way to take a keep...great fun running, hiding and occasionally picking off a few stragglers here and there.

Venturing into Cyrodiil to PvE with just a couple of friends will be similar. Except, from what I understand, there will be many more PvE reasons to go there than DAoC ever had. The fact that everyone is bolstered to 50 in Cyrodiil is just gravy that gives similar sized groups a fighting chance. It's open world done right IMHO.

  Braindome

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6/01/13 6:38:09 PM#152
Originally posted by Dauzqul

So ESO stated that their PvP will be [mod edit]., dedicated PvP area.

 

I'm done with the sass. No thanks.

 

This game seems to be more like a medieval SWTOR, anyways.

 

Come play Age of Conan, it's one of the most "WoW like" games with world pvp that actually ties in with the environment, unlike so many pvp pre-determined games these days and at least it isn't overly frustrating like say Darkfall, it is just pure vanilla fun. Plus the fatalities are cool. :D

  ShakyMo

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6/01/13 7:35:26 PM#153
I like owpvp very much too

IN GAMES DESIGNED FOR IT

like eve. I just don't like it where its a token flip a switch, e.g. wow, I much prefer that style of game to have some sort of territory control pvp area, because YOU GET MORE PVP as people have a reason to do it and they all go the same place to do it.
  Ticonz

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6/01/13 7:46:15 PM#154

<insert comment about how opvp doesn't work cuz people are so bad at games, all they do is get griefed instead of banding together to stop those pvpers like any sane, talented pvper would do here>

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  baphamet

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6/02/13 12:31:15 AM#155


Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by baphamet  

Originally posted by Horusra Glad the OWPvP'ers will be somewhere else.
  i like OWpvp very much and will be playing this game at launch. from the sounds of it, cyrodiil sounds like its going to be just like the other pve areas (in size and in content) just with pve enabled and added pvp content. maybe i am wrong but i am hoping that cryodiil will feel like OWpvp because people will be doing pve content and the danger of ganking will be there. if anyone is upset that they can't gank a lowbie, they are probably just bad at pvp anyways.
DAoC had some PvE quests (not many but some) in the frontiers and there were also a few good grinding areas for those pesky last couple of levels.

I remember many times being there with just a couple of friends playing cat and mouse with raids of 20 or more on their way to take a keep...great fun running, hiding and occasionally picking off a few stragglers here and there.

Venturing into Cyrodiil to PvE with just a couple of friends will be similar. Except, from what I understand, there will be many more PvE reasons to go there than DAoC ever had. The fact that everyone is bolstered to 50 in Cyrodiil is just gravy that gives similar sized groups a fighting chance. It's open world done right IMHO.


yeah i know they have mentioned it will have all the towns oblivion had full of pve quests just like the other pve faction areas, with caves and dungeons as well.

if there is that much pve on top of the pvp content you can also do there, i can totally see it feeling like an open world pvp game, especially if is a huge area, that is the key really.

i can see myself spending a lot of time in cyrodiil if its like that.

  duuude007

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6/02/13 3:22:02 AM#156

I have no plan of playing ESO, as I am already committed to another mmo.

 

That  said, saying that avoiding sandbox-style world pvp is a bad thing... is naive to a fault.

Instanced PVP can be done and done well, both small and large scale, without including the PK concept.

 

  TheJoda

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6/02/13 11:10:09 AM#157

Where do they say no OPEN PVP?

 

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  Zelon

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6/02/13 12:46:29 PM#158

PvP zone is cyrodiil

Why do you want a World PvP !?<span alt-edited"="">If you  lv  is low  is annoying to be killed by  those with lv 50.

  Ehliya

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6/04/13 7:00:38 AM#159

I agree with the comments that ESO made the right choice here.  "Open World" PVP has been tried many times - check out Age of Conan.

The "PVP" in such full loot open world PVP games - if you can call it that - includes such wonderful fun as:

- level 80's attacking level 10's

- people attacking others when they are helplessly engaged in reading NPC quest giver dialogue

 - people  attacking others when they are helplessly engaged in crafting

- people attacking others when they have MOBS on them

- people griefing any attempt to organize in-game events, especially RP events

- vile and hostile hate tells and profanity-laced domination of chat channels by 11 year olds

Occasionally, almost by pure chance, you will see people fighting others who actually have a chance to fight back.  But mainly, the idea is to cause as much misery at as little risk to oneself as possible.

And no, open world PVPers aren't any "tougher" than you or I.  If they wanted a real challenge, they would be fine with what ESO is offering.  But they want to gank and grief - I wish they would at least be honest about it.

 

In theory I could support open world, full loot, PVP.  But I have seen how it attracts the bottom feeders of the Internet.  Been there, done that....you end up with empty servers as everyone else but the bottom feeders leaves for other games.

 

  lizardbones

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6/04/13 7:30:35 AM#160

I just think it's ironic that the two biggest complaints about the game are that

(a) It's not enough like the single player game

and

(b) It's too much like the single player game

I think that goes a long way towards explaining why MMOs shoot for the mainstream, rather than the MMO aficionados.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

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