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  Ladrann27

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Joined: 5/18/13
Posts: 43

5/31/13 5:58:01 PM#21

I was very excited about this game when I first learned about it years ago and when it finally released I started playing it immediately. The RvR was definetly fun but the game was lacking in many other area's and it seemed very buggy. I also did not like the engine and class balance was terrible, which is why I left.

 

The reason for me not going back anymore these days is first and foremost, population issue's as described by the OP, but another reason is that I am quite tired of all the themepark games. Yes, there are some on the horizon which I will still play, but they will not be my new home. I will keep waiting (dreaming?) of the 'perfect' sandbox.

 

 

  Stromm

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Joined: 4/14/06
Posts: 250

5/31/13 6:06:48 PM#22
Originally posted by UnleadedRev

As you know, I am a big Warhammer and Warhammer 40K fan.

 

I first played Warhammer Online in 2009, and since then, sometimes subscribe for 1 month or 3 months at a time about once or twice a year since then. I have a ton of characters, most of which are Rank 30-40, including two 40's.

This game even now, still has one of the most mature, helpful, and friendly game communities EVER, both in and out of the game. Griefers are very very rare, and even the opposing team does not taunt or insult..they are grateful just to have players to fight.

I just resubbed for 1 month about 2 weeks ago, and what remained of the game shocked me both in its official website and in the game proper. First off, for those who don't know Electronic Arts the usurper of this game from Mythic, had massive layoffs for all its games. The effect on Warhammer Online was first that whatever LITTLE communication we had received from the Devs of this game over the years has now ground to a halt. NOTHING...It would not surprise me if there is only one person who watches the servers for this game and does occassional maintenance. Other than that there is a strong armed community manager who will flame and delete anyone and anything said in a negative context...thus, those are probably the only two people who work for this game.

 

There is some good news...the PvP is still the BEST in the MMO world, BUT....from the start this game was designed to be 100% dependant on player population. Thus, if player population drops, down goes the game, because the PvE aspect of this game albiet with unique at the time "Public Quests" and "Scenario Challenges"  is still extremely WEAK...always has and still is.

 

So that leaves player dependent PvP....when there are players it is fun, but when there are not enough players its bad.

 

EVEN WORSE, not all the issues are due to player population, but the players themselves! It was noted about 2 years ago maybe 3, that for some odd reason Destro always outnumbered order...but even worse, for some odd reason Order players never ever seemed organized like the Destro players. For example, you could always count on Destro player formed Warbands...but more often than not Order players did not form warbands...and even when they did form one, the strategy was to just stand there and fight with limited thought given to taking Objectives. Thus, Destro would just grab objectives and flip the zone and milking precious Renown points over and over and over.

 

I guess, very conservative players were drawn to Order with no thought to strategy..unlike Destro.

 

However, if that was bad in the past its even worse now...using T1 and T4 as examples...in T1 Order for the most part just stands on the slope to their warcamp, and is content to allow Destro to take the Docks and harvest Shrine. Sometimes, Order will take Fetz...but...not often and when they do they are in a very bad pattern of advance, take, then retreat for no apparent reason. In T4 its even WORSE!

 

For example, in Praag...Order is content to take Martyrs Square and chase Destro almost to their Warcamp...but then stops and retreats....huh? Why not make a stand and hole them up in their warcamp the same way Destro does to Order?

 

NOPE...Order takes the square, advances, stops, and then RUNS away as the Destro players look on dumbfounded, but yet having other Destro players take Objectives while Order just takes and then runs away from Martyrs Square. It makes no sense.

 

The Chaos Wastes are even worse! Order just stand outside their Warcamp with half fighting and the other half standing on the ridge doing nothing...meanwhile Destro takes all the Objectives and the Renown Rank farming and disparity continues.

 

Now for the WORST part...Population is soooo LOW...you might find one Warband....usually Destro will form a nice fat Warband, but Order even with enough players seems to have a bunch of players who dont join Warbands. This makes healing and coordination harder...no wonder Order does not take objectives...BUT it gets worse.....

On average in T1, I see only 5 players on average in an Order Warband and maybe....maybe another 5 order players not in any Warband...Destro usually has on average 10-12 players.

 

So yes...with such low population and EA just being lazy for years with this game, and now with EA layoffs, it makes you wonder  how long this game will exist with just a niche playerbase of hardcore Warhammer fans ($15 a month) and a bunch of trial membership players (free).

Free to Play would have helped this game and even made money for expansions and fixes...but no EA seems to have this game on auto pilot...just treading water until they kill it.

Sad....very very sad....

I fail to see how after writing this post you can still consider this game the best pvp, or the best anything for that matter.

  Ulorik

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Joined: 9/12/11
Posts: 180

5/31/13 6:13:37 PM#23

Honestly, it still saddens me how a lot of players who don't really have an alternative in terms of a good RvR game diss this game and create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I know that you can find faults with WAR where ever you look, but what is the alternative?

I have now started to play DaoC on Uthgard again, and yes, it brings back the good old times, but lets be honest, DaoC is god awfully clunky.

 

So I challenge you: Name an open world RvR/large scale PvP game that is better then WAR

  combatcasualty

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Joined: 11/27/12
Posts: 3

5/31/13 6:22:00 PM#24

I've been playing games since the early 80's as my main hobby (barring my military years) and to this day I still say Warhammer Online was one of the best games I've ever played and a lot of that was the community. I can definitely say that I have not had near as much fun in any game since and considering I'm a now Disabled Veteran that plays at least 8 to 12 hours everyday of something, that's a powerful statement. The IP was perfect and probably my favorite fantasy realm of all time but it was just always exciting with so many possibilities, iconic characters, locations and the battles of enormous proportions that were electrifying. I still get excited thinking about some of the early keep, fortress and city sieges. I would spend days online all at once running from keep to keep for loot rolls. Even the scenarios were great fun, something I've never been able to really get into in any other game to date.   

I'm sorry to see what it's become but Warhammer Online will always be important to me.. I made a lot of friends that i still speak with in that game. I'll certainly miss it. 

  Slappy1

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Joined: 12/27/12
Posts: 464

5/31/13 6:25:27 PM#25
Originally posted by Ulorik

Honestly, it still saddens me how a lot of players who don't really have an alternative in terms of a good RvR game diss this game and create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I know that you can find faults with WAR where ever you look, but what is the alternative?

I have now started to play DaoC on Uthgard again, and yes, it brings back the good old times, but lets be honest, DaoC is god awfully clunky.

 

So I challenge you: Name an open world RvR/large scale PvP game that is better then WAR

I won't argue against you at all Ulo,

but I think what it may be coming down to is people just don't care about large scale pvp anymore.I loved Shaowbane and if they could've fixed the sb exe. crash bug early on,it may have been much more successful.I do think though that gamers today want that instant win/gratification as opposed to help the team win.

Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!

Arya Stark

  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

5/31/13 6:49:58 PM#26
I played it for two years until the stupid bioware dress as a rat patch.

But that's cause nothing else did rvr.

Now planetside 2 is out, I see no reaso to give ea your hard earned cash.
  Gorwe

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Joined: 9/16/11
Posts: 1847

5/31/13 7:14:28 PM#27

I know what's bothering unleaded. It's not  that that there aren't better PvP games-there are. Both within MMO genre(eve/df/...) and without MMO genre(lol/HoN/Starcraft{tho I sincerely hope that unleaded won't play that-it's Like a Heresy vs 40k!}/...). It's not that he has lost some friends there(there is always face, twit, myspace, hell even E-mail). Nope. None of that.

What's bothering him is that someone had taken his favourite(Hey mine too!) IP and made a mockery out of it. And now they won't let go of it just so someone else couldn't succeed big time with Warhammer. That's exactly mine problem with WAR as well. The fact it's blocking dev time to someone who'd kill to dev a Warhammer game, is asinine and appalling.

It is you who has to let go, unleaded. I was constrained like that both with past(memories of WAR and what could've been) and the future(the remarkable GW 2 on the horizon). After I learned to live in the present while unburdened neither by past nor by future, only then I found true happiness. Then TSW happened and after that Rift. Currently I can't be more happy(I am living in an utopia! Beat that suckers!). Just let it go. Focus on what's important-books and TT. Treat it like it never existed-just another bad Warhammer port(exactly the same as you'd do with a pointless/lame Mario game).

This advice comes from the heart-as one Warhammer fan would say to another.

Cheers mate!

(Eldar, Tau and High Elves rule!)

  Drakynn

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Joined: 3/02/08
Posts: 2051

6/01/13 11:19:03 AM#28
Originally posted by Ulorik

Honestly, it still saddens me how a lot of players who don't really have an alternative in terms of a good RvR game diss this game and create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I know that you can find faults with WAR where ever you look, but what is the alternative?

I have now started to play DaoC on Uthgard again, and yes, it brings back the good old times, but lets be honest, DaoC is god awfully clunky.

 

So I challenge you: Name an open world RvR/large scale PvP game that is better then WAR

There's always an alternative if your not an addict.Why should people ignore all the things that are wrong with War if it's affecting their enjoyment in the game just to play RvR of which only the regular RvR lakes are worth doing in end game.

There are plenty of alternatives to playing deeply flawed game your nto enjoying as a whole if your nto addicited to MMOs,you can play single player games,you can take up a non gaming hobby,read a book,watch a movie,engage in forum PvP in this forum!!!

  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

6/01/13 12:24:54 PM#29
Ulorik
Planetside 2, there named one.

Also while I think war does rvr marginally better than gw2, its not enough of a difference to justify giving ea anymore money with the way they've destroyed mythic.
  cronius77

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Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 1310

6/01/13 12:33:42 PM#30
war and daoc didnt go free to play because pretty much EA fired everyone at mythic but a couple of people. Also warhammer would of had to been revamped code wise to add that sort of thing in and look at all the patches that get released now and the bugs and issues they caused. Even the last main dev in a forum post said he was afraid to touch parts of the code because it was written so sloppy it would break so many different elements of the game when they tried to add anything in. Also EA just laid off a the last few devs working on warhammer less than a month ago so you can pretty much say this game is dead in the water now unless they get that private shard up and running that people are talking about trying to develop since mythic even has its own forums on life support now.
  Gorwe

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Joined: 9/16/11
Posts: 1847

6/01/13 1:56:30 PM#31

That private server is DEAD and because of MY naivete. I mentioned some names out loud(perhaps even here on mmorpg). And in the eve(I said that in the morn) it was gone. Well, you learn something every day right ;) ?

Or...is there another? If there is, DON'T MENTION IT(or GW fasci overlords will close it down)!!!

  Eunuchmaker

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Joined: 10/08/07
Posts: 203

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6/01/13 2:08:29 PM#32
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Ulorik
Planetside 2, there named one.

Also while I think war does rvr marginally better than gw2, its not enough of a difference to justify giving ea anymore money with the way they've destroyed mythic.

 

Yup, Planetside 2.

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