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  Quizzical

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5/27/13 7:50:54 AM#21
Originally posted by thunderC
I made a promise to myself about 4 years ago that I would NEVER buy another X-Box again. After owning a 360 for about 2 years and playing very ,very casually on it (maybe 8 hours a week) i got the red ring of death. I had no intention of buying a next gen xbox before but after learning the details of the Xboxone that is just the icing on the cake for me. I can't see why anyone would go xboxone over ps4

The red ring of death was a hardware problem caused by Microsoft improperly packaging the GPU so that it couldn't handle enough thermal cycling.  ATI would have done it for them, but Microsoft wanted to save money and do it themselves.  Alas, Microsoft lacked ATI's expertise in packaging GPUs.  This time, both Microsoft and Sony are buying the completed APU chips directly from AMD, so AMD will handle the packaging and the same problem shouldn't recur.

That's not to say that other problems won't lead to a hardware failure, but at least the one that caused the red ring of death shouldn't be a major concern.

  Purutzil

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5/27/13 7:54:33 AM#22

To be fair, while Xbox One did bite the bullet and sink itself  quite a bit, it does have a shot at E3... though most importantly, PS4 isn't really showing off to be that special either. As of now the PS4 is seeming like the lesser evil but as of now DRM sounds to have a push on their side as well and its just not sounding very good over-all. Its sounding like the console-war might be over... since PC might just end up taking over as the platform for gamers once again with mobile standing as the casuals go to place, consoles being just 'there'. 

 

Eh, maybe me being hopeful, but for me I typically try and own one console, but honestly I have such little reason to get one with what either side pitched, the only thing I'm interested in is a wired version of the Xbox One controller for my pc, or some way to hook it to my PC to use as a gamepad.

  ace5572

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5/27/13 7:58:50 AM#23
Originally posted by KhinRunite

Meh, once Microsoft unveiled their game lineup at E3 I'm sure a lot of people will eat their own words and hand over their money while hating themselves. Halo, Forza, etc WILL change people's minds.

Of course, I want to be wrong about this.

If thats true then gaming is in  a sadder state than i thought. Halo is like Call of Duty now. A mass produced piece of crap with no innovation on each new release. If you're still buying that series you're a sucker.

  Sasami

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5/27/13 7:59:27 AM#24
Originally posted by BahamutKaiser
I don't even watch TV... I bootleg shit for the 1 or 2 shows I watch per year... so yeah, thanks Microsoft, I've been considering a modern console, and now I don't have to deliberate... well, it's either PS4, or nothing...

Tv side doesn't make it any worse as console. Don't watch TV, then don't use. Same goes with all other stuff in current and next-gen consoles. All the other stuff is simply there because people want that stuff.

  Mothanos

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5/27/13 8:09:53 AM#25

There is one thing that will bite back raly hard....paying for a tittle that is alrady payed for.
Want to play a friends game ? damn no pay for it....
Be online aty least once 24 hour or bye bye playing games.
Kinect + mic always on ? no thanks

Microsoft is getting owned so hard this round, they wont even see this comming.
There is one massive rand going trough the whole world about their way of handling gamers.
And gamers dont like to be forced with shit down their throat they dint even askt for.

If playstation is doing the same then MS might be lucky, but the vibe on the interwebs is 95% negative.

  Lazarus71

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I play the games I like and don't dwell on the ones I don't, complicated philosophy I know....

5/27/13 8:21:08 AM#26

No signature, I don't have a pen

  Sk1ppeR

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5/27/13 8:23:04 AM#27
Originally posted by Mothanos

There is one thing that will bite back raly hard....paying for a tittle that is alrady payed for.
Want to play a friends game ? damn no pay for it....
Be online aty least once 24 hour or bye bye playing games.
Kinect + mic always on ? no thanks

Microsoft is getting owned so hard this round, they wont even see this comming.
There is one massive rand going trough the whole world about their way of handling gamers.
And gamers dont like to be forced with shit down their throat they dint even askt for.

If playstation is doing the same then MS might be lucky, but the vibe on the interwebs is 95% negative.

1) Players will not pay the fee, the stores will, Microsoft said that in a statement. If you want to share something to a friend, give him your xbox live account. You are doing this with Steam already so quit bitching about it. 

2) Single player games will have no such requirement 

3) You can always turn kinect off. You won't die if you do so. 

 

The TV feature is optional which every single one of you crybabies seems to forget. But why do I wonder, you cry about modified start menu in Windows 8 and how it ruins the whole OS xD

Man I'm out of here, you are bunch of sad sad people

  olepi

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5/27/13 8:40:18 AM#28
What happens if I go on vacation, and take my new console with me? And I have no Internet? Can I still play the games I bought?

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RIP City of Heroes. One of my favorite MMO's.

  Sk1ppeR

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5/27/13 8:43:18 AM#29
Originally posted by olepi
What happens if I go on vacation, and take my new console with me? And I have no Internet? Can I still play the games I bought?

If you have no internet (not even Personal hotspot from the phone) and the game is single player, I'm pretty sure you can

  killion81

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5/27/13 8:45:20 AM#30
Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
Originally posted by Mothanos

There is one thing that will bite back raly hard....paying for a tittle that is alrady payed for.
Want to play a friends game ? damn no pay for it....
Be online aty least once 24 hour or bye bye playing games.
Kinect + mic always on ? no thanks

Microsoft is getting owned so hard this round, they wont even see this comming.
There is one massive rand going trough the whole world about their way of handling gamers.
And gamers dont like to be forced with shit down their throat they dint even askt for.

If playstation is doing the same then MS might be lucky, but the vibe on the interwebs is 95% negative.

1) Players will not pay the fee, the stores will, Microsoft said that in a statement. If you want to share something to a friend, give him your xbox live account. You are doing this with Steam already so quit bitching about it. 

2) Single player games will have no such requirement 

3) You can always turn kinect off. You won't die if you do so. 

 

The TV feature is optional which every single one of you crybabies seems to forget. But why do I wonder, you cry about modified start menu in Windows 8 and how it ruins the whole OS xD

Man I'm out of here, you are bunch of sad sad people

 

Pretty sure that cost will end up in the final resale cost of a used game.  You may not be paying it directly to M$, but don't think for a second that the gamer is not paying it.  The reseller will just tack on whatever the M$ used game fee is.

 

Ex:  M$ charges $30 for a used game fee.  Reseller purchases a $60 retail game for $10 (far lower than they would if they didn't have to pay the used game fee).  Reseller pays M$ the $30 used game fee.  Reseller sells used game for $50 (and only $10 profit).

 

Sounds pretty awesome for gamers, right?

  Sk1ppeR

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5/27/13 8:48:49 AM#31
I don't know, I bought an used game only once and the DVD was in terrible condition. Since then I never bought an used game. And no I'm not some rich spoiled brat. 
  Sasami

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5/27/13 8:53:06 AM#32
Originally posted by Mothanos

There is one thing that will bite back raly hard....paying for a tittle that is alrady payed for.
Want to play a friends game ? damn no pay for it....
Be online aty least once 24 hour or bye bye playing games.
Kinect + mic always on ? no thanks

Microsoft is getting owned so hard this round, they wont even see this comming.
There is one massive rand going trough the whole world about their way of handling gamers.
And gamers dont like to be forced with shit down their throat they dint even askt for.

If playstation is doing the same then MS might be lucky, but the vibe on the interwebs is 95% negative.

Yes because hardcore gamers really matter: http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-gaming/

Oh wait, they don't really.

  BizkitNL

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5/27/13 8:53:27 AM#33
Well, I was happy with my Wii U. Now I'm ecstatic :).

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  Thane

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5/27/13 8:55:28 AM#34
Originally posted by mithoss

What kind of console-wars? The good old bit-wars, where technical superiority and games lineup was what mattered.

So, who won? Seems like nobody! There is a last place (wiiu) but theres no winner. Why? well, i'll say it this way:

while sony decided to develop a great white shark, a superior predator of the seas, microsoft decided to...conquer land. What they came up whit was an otter, a land-water hybrid. So, theres no point in pitting an otter vs a shark. Thats why theres no winner, microsoft just evolved into another direction. Time will tell which species will be more successful.

actually the shark is an animal which didn't need to evolve in like several thousand years (no idea how many exactly. could be some 10k-^00k or more or less, who knows).

 

if you wanna let nature decide this, the shark won by miles :)

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  tawess

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5/27/13 9:13:05 AM#35

The only thing the XboxOne did for sure was to kill the WiiU. That is the market they are targeting and with a very simple interface (IF it will work as advertised... Big IF but still) and a all in one product they will even cut a chunk out of the PS4 market by offering more bang for the buck. They will prolly loose a good amount of gamers but we are not interesting any more. As a market group we are obsolete. There is a way larger market in the casual group and they aim to win by offering a little bit to everybody and thus take all the households that only want(or can afford) one console.

 

Now the funny thing is that Sony wins either way as the Xbox have a blu-ray player (hench why the sony stock sky rocketed) and they will most likley win the "gamer-wars"

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  superniceguy

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5/27/13 9:24:16 AM#36
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Well, I was happy with my Wii U. Now I'm ecstatic :).

Same here. If Nintendo get on the case and start getting developers to make games for it, even if it a port and using the ordinary controller it will be a start. It has been proven that the games can be better than Xbox 360 and PS3

The ironic thing though as well is that Sony did actually get a patent to block used games. They did deny this to be the case for the PS4, and it was for something else, but if they have the patent, then could use it for the PS4 later, or it is there if companies want to use it. While the PS4 may not block used games, EA for example, may want to apply DRM to their PS4 games.

This is not a problem with the Wii U - It has no DRM at all, and is backwards compatible with the Wiii, and internet connection is not a necessity.

Both PS4 and Xbox ONE are so online focussed that they are losing the console feeling, and becoming more like PCs, especially the Xbox ONE. Consoles should be more about playing games with other people in the same room, which is what the Wii and Wii U excel at. So as a games console I would say Nintendo and the Wii U have won.

I think the order of next gen games consoles are 1) Wii U, 2) PS4 3) Xbox ONE

The order of best next gen games machines are 1) PC 2) Mobile devices 3) PS4 4) Wii U 5) Xbox ONE

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

5/27/13 9:42:04 AM#37
Originally posted by tawess

The only thing the XboxOne did for sure was to kill the WiiU. That is the market they are targeting and with a very simple interface (IF it will work as advertised... Big IF but still) and a all in one product they will even cut a chunk out of the PS4 market by offering more bang for the buck. They will prolly loose a good amount of gamers but we are not interesting any more. As a market group we are obsolete. There is a way larger market in the casual group and they aim to win by offering a little bit to everybody and thus take all the households that only want(or can afford) one console.

 

Now the funny thing is that Sony wins either way as the Xbox have a blu-ray player (hench why the sony stock sky rocketed) and they will most likley win the "gamer-wars"

I think the Xbox ONE will be more suited for one person in a bachelor pad, and not really suited for a family. If kids want to play games and the parents want to watch TV, then they will be fighting over it. Also will not be easy to take the Xbox ONE to a friends house as if you do, you take the TV with you. So for a family you will still need a TV box and a console.

The Wii U wins here, if kids are playing Wii U, Dad comes home and wants to watch TV, then the game can be transferred from the TV to the screen controller. No need to buy an extra TV. Also console can easily be taken to friends house.

The only reason Wii U is losing is lack of games and lack of support

  huskie77

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5/27/13 9:45:33 AM#38

I like both. I own both. I will buy both of the new consoles. Now let's put preferences aside and look at actual data. The Dreamcast was a great console with a series of great games but was undone by weak financials of it's parent company Sega. They just didn't have enough money in the bank to fund them while they gained market share for the long game.

Microsoft, both the parent company and the gaming division have strong revenue and profits in the Billions.

Sony parent corp has been losing BILLIONS quarterly while it's gaming division has been profitable. Unfortunately the way corporate economics work is that they have to put additional pressure on profitable assets to increase margins to counter losses in other areas. Many analysts are concerned that Sony Entertainment is going to have to make a lot of changes that will not be received favorably as Sony scrambles to stem the bleeding.

 

Both consoles will sell well, it is silly and immature to speculate otherwise. I also don't anticipate a major shift in market share. The only concern I have is that Sony continues it's downward financial spiral which would destabilize Sony Entertainment support. It is sadly much like the democracy/communism cold war. The real battle is fought on the ledger sheet and black always beats red.

  snapfusion

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5/27/13 9:50:02 AM#39
Originally posted by mithoss

What just occured to me is that the xbox one is perfect for arguing with your parents: "No, you wont get a xbox, all you will do is play the whole time" "But mooom, you can watch your favirite tv series and dad can have his dreamteam!"

kinda clever marketing towards unwilling parents.

Are you assuming someone's parents are too stupid to realize they can already watch their favorite TV Series or dream team on the TV they already have?

  ShakyMo

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5/27/13 10:04:14 AM#40
Microsoft have signed a deal with both ea and activision to get their games first. People will still buy xbox to play cod. I won't though, its like the ultimate alliance of "evil".
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