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  Skullagrim

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5/27/13 4:49:54 AM#361


Originally posted by Illyssia

Originally posted by Skullagrim First off...IMO Microsoft stomped Sony in their reveal. The Xbox One is the only gaming platform that is truly changing. I love all the new features it has. 
I think with Xbox One M$ are going to face the problems that they did with Windows 8, i.e. the end-user does not like the new directions and uptake is poor. I will also predict that like Windows 8 they will overhaul it within 6 months to try to reclaim their Xbox360 gamers. Simply, put Xbox One has made the mistake of not putting gamers first. 


E3 will be the focus on gamers. They wanted to show the more innovated things. What is technology suppose to be? Just a hardware upgrade and a slight software change? It's time to take a bigger step forward. I believe they truly are. I want my own Jarvis (the movie one) damn it! eventually lol

If your watching the reveal for strictly games. I can see the disappointment. This gen is not just about the games though. It's about one platform being your homes focal entertainment point. I think they delivered that pitch well.


One thing does scare me. Is how stable it will be. One failure is going to effect all of your entertainment. The bigger chance you take. The bigger the problem can be.

  Quizzical

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5/27/13 7:56:42 AM#362
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Ikeda
Originally posted by fivoroth

Does the PS4 have proper Kinect like capabilities? If it doesn't, I will probably go for the Xbox. Conventional gaming will be the same on both consoles so that doesn't really matter. Both will have the hardware for all the upcoming games, will look almost identical and most games are developed for all console platforms so it doesn't really matter.

PS4 hasn't announced that AFAIK.  What PS4 has going for it is form factor, impressive graphics, and a metric BUTT TON of exclusive titles.

Edit:  Adding a run down of PS4 exclusives.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-9020_7-57570438-222/making-sense-of-the-ps4-game-lineup/

Well amazing graphics is not a "reason" to buy a console imo. I mean graphics are super important but these two consoles will have almost identical graphics... or do you think PS4 graphics will be more impressive? 

I admit though that PS4 has a much better lineup of exclusives imo. Xbox was never good for its exclusives except for Forza. I guess that's why they didn't focus on exclusives - because they simply don't have anything to tell us but that I was expecting as much.

Does a Radeon HD 7850 offer better graphics than a Radeon HD 7770?  They'll run the same games, but the former will do it at higher graphical settings than the latter.  The PS4 will typically be about on par with a 7850 and the Xbox One with the 7770.

But the architectures are so similar that porting from Xbox One to PS4 should be pretty easy to do unless you're extensively using Kinect.  The other way around, it's mostly a question of which graphical features you're willing to give up.

  Quizzical

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5/27/13 7:58:42 AM#363
Originally posted by nerovipus32
The fact that they are pushing kinect will push me to buy a ps4.

What else are they supposed to push?  Kinect, games made by Microsoft, and then what?  "The Xbox One can do this, but the PS4 can do it better, so please buy an Xbox One?"

  Quizzical

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5/27/13 8:08:28 AM#364
Originally posted by Precusor

If you were hoping to play your vast collection of Xbox 360 games on Microsoft's latest creation, we've got a spot of bad news. Microsoft Xbox Live VP Marc Whitten confirmed to The Verge that the new Xbox One console will have no backwards compatibility whatsoever.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4350662/new-xbox-has-no-backwards-compatibilty

 

Damn.

And how exactly did you think that they were going to emulate 3.2 GHz PowerPC cores on Jaguar cores that probably won't clock above 2 GHz?  The PS4 can't natively run PS3 games for about the same reason.  The streaming approach that will allow PS3 games to run on a PS4 will give you such a degraded game experience that it may not be better than the game not running on a PS4 at all--and certainly won't be anywhere near as good as running the PS3 game on a real PS3.

On the bright side, Microsoft could probably make original Xbox games run on an Xbox One if they really wanted to.

  Nikopol

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5/27/13 8:09:07 AM#365
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by nerovipus32
The fact that they are pushing kinect will push me to buy a ps4.

What else are they supposed to push?  Kinect, games made by Microsoft, and then what?  "The Xbox One can do this, but the PS4 can do it better, so please buy an Xbox One?"

Just lol.

That'd be "honest advertising" in the vain of Crazy People (an old movie with Dudley Moore, worth checking out by the way).

I was never a fan of Kinect, because I don't like physically exerting myself when playing games... I'd rather do real physical exercise, games are always about "downtime" to me.

Anyway, I've been a "overwhelmingly PC with some Playstation on the side" sort of person; I'm guessing that personal trend will continue well into this new console generation. :)

 

  Quizzical

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5/27/13 8:11:11 AM#366
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

The live stream is up!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthickey/2013/05/21/next-gen-xbox-reveal-event-live-blog/

Are you excited ? :)

 

Not really. The 360 was the worst of the 3 consoles last generation and it seems to be more of the same this time around.

By specs, the Xbox 360 was a lot better than a Wii.  It wasn't unambiguously stronger or weaker than a PS3.

  Quizzical

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5/27/13 8:17:44 AM#367
Originally posted by Precusor

Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/

 

Now thats really lame.

Kind of like how PC games also require you to install them on a hard drive of whatever?  Why is that such a big deal?

Now, for the used game limitations, I could see why people would be upset by that.

  Ikeda

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5/27/13 8:21:43 AM#368

Da-yam, you guys managed to get Quizzical out of the Hardware thread.... by talking hardware :-)

Quiz, since your here, how much does drivers really have to do with overall graphics.  I get there are some hardware limtations but I would assume streamlining the driver could make up for some of the physical hardware loss.  (The ddr3 va. Ddr5 is another example). You can use the previous example you gave to keep some standardization to that conversation.p

 

P.S. I don't think people are made about the installation so much as a Blu Ray has something like 60 Gb on it compressed.  25-50 not compressed.  If every game is 60 Gb (or more) your 500Gb non-replaceable hard drive is gone in 9 games (with no other media)

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  Quizzical

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5/27/13 8:26:59 AM#369
Originally posted by Ikeda
Originally posted by bestever

That's global here's the US http://www.vgchartz.com/#North America Totals

Also the wii runs at 99$ and most kids wanted the wii. The wii launched cheap and sold a bunch but it's a pile of crap and most people don't even want it or play it. 

 

You didn't specify NA only.  And at the end of the day, the people that sell the most consoles do worldwide.  You don't see Apple crying that Androids are doing better in Japan than in North America.  It's a global market.

And regardless of pricing, Wii is much better selling than the 360.  You stated an untruth, I showed you the facts, you start saying "yea but..."

Android devices are massively outselling iOS devices pretty much everywhere else, too.  iOS is still holding its own in sales numbers in tablets, but probably not for much longer.  That said, iOS will probably end up like Mac OS X:  a lucrative niche product.

As for the Wii selling better than the Xbox 360, so are apples and bananas.  It's a different class of product designed for a different purpose.

  st4t1ck

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5/27/13 8:27:53 AM#370
It just depends on how you can add more Gigs.. on xbox 360 they accepted flash drives up to a certain amount, cant remember the number.  as long as you can go well about the 500gig initial hard drive that they give you then i dont have a problem with it
  Quizzical

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5/27/13 8:32:19 AM#371
Originally posted by mrrshann618

Lack of Backwards compatibility = Me not buying next console. PS3 did this and I chose to go with a 360 instead thanks for me owning both a Xbox and Ps2.

Look at it this way:  by going with x86, Microsoft and Sony made it a lot more likely that their next consoles will support Xbox One and PlayStation 4 games, respectively.  Cell definitely had no future, so backward compatibility to PS3 wasn't a serious option.  The future of PowerPC looks a lot dimmer than that of x86, and backward compatibility to Xbox 360 by going with PowerPC would have come with some serious drawbacks this generation, too.

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5/27/13 8:36:19 AM#372
Originally posted by Precusor

Xbox One Will Not Function Without Kinect Attached

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-will-not-function-without-kinect-attached

 

Geez..

Maybe that's where the DRM is? </ sarcasm>

Actually, it seems strange that it would need Kinect attached even to do things that don't involve Kinect.

  Quizzical

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5/27/13 8:39:17 AM#373
Originally posted by fs23otm

I am glad they are killing second hand games. It is a shame when Gamestop robs people.

Facial Recognition will be interesting, and possible heartbeat monitoring. Skynet has a new name and it is Microsoft.

Think of it as Microsoft taking a cut of what Gamestop makes, so that Gamestop has to charge you more for used games and pay you less to buy used games from you.

  Quizzical

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5/27/13 8:40:18 AM#374
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

 

 the tiny 500gb hard drive.

i had a 6.4gb hard drive 13 years ago.

 

now 500gb is 'tiny'.

 

oh my.

I have a 120 GB SSD and no hard drive, apart from an external hard drive used for backup only.

  Quizzical

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5/27/13 8:43:01 AM#375
Originally posted by Elikal

Evil: Outright evil is how my friends and everyone can SEE all I did, watched, played asf. I already find it highly disturbing that in Steam all people I know can see what games I own, when I played them, what I unlocked. So I am becoming more and more transparent. No more can I cover my life behind gentle lies, like "Oh sorry I don't have time right now" - "YES I can see you play Halo again now!" Sorry, but I want to keep my doings to myself and I want to be in control who knows what. And I most certainly DON'T want a free pass to EVERYONE to know all the stuff I watched and played! (Like all my friends know all the porn I watched... >.<)

The next step is a Facebook-style update to reveal all of that information publicly so that prospective future employers can find out exactly how much you played each game out there.

I'd say that's ridiculous, except that Facebook has already gone there.

  st4t1ck

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5/27/13 8:44:59 AM#376
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

 

 the tiny 500gb hard drive.

i had a 6.4gb hard drive 13 years ago.

 

now 500gb is 'tiny'.

 

oh my.

I have a 120 GB SSD and no hard drive, apart from an external hard drive used for backup only.

Not the same for console though.. not to me at least.  I usually have a library of games, and dont find it fun to have to install and uninstall them. so i'm hoping that the 500 gig is the the minimum package deal, like the arcade version of the 360

  Sasami

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5/27/13 8:46:25 AM#377
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Precusor

Xbox One Will Not Function Without Kinect Attached

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-will-not-function-without-kinect-attached

 

Geez..

Maybe that's where the DRM is?

Actually, it seems strange that it would need Kinect attached even to do things that don't involve Kinect.

I think they said they want to give developers common platform. So instead of game developer writing constant checks for Kinect they will just assume it's there. Or maybe it's just false rumor and people assumed this because Microsoft is bundling Kinect on all consoles.

  Sasami

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5/27/13 8:48:40 AM#378
Originally posted by st4t1ck
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

 

 the tiny 500gb hard drive.

i had a 6.4gb hard drive 13 years ago.

 

now 500gb is 'tiny'.

 

oh my.

I have a 120 GB SSD and no hard drive, apart from an external hard drive used for backup only.

Not the same for console though.. not to me at least.  I usually have a library of games, and dont find it fun to have to install and uninstall them. so i'm hoping that the 500 gig is the the minimum package deal, like the arcade version of the 360

500 Gb is for first model, they maybe come with smaller packs in future. Keep mind you can plug external HDD to console(it has 3 USB(3?) ports and rumor is that you can install games on that HDD as well.

  BizkitNL

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5/27/13 8:50:21 AM#379

I understand it.

Developer's point of view:

We need to get creative and raise the console to a higher plain than just being a console.

My point of view:

I just want to play games.

 

All that ladida nonsense is just putting me off. Voice control, movement tracking, yadayada. I just want a controller and the next generation of games.

Feel like trying Planetside 2? Get a headstart with the starter kit!

  Sasami

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5/27/13 8:55:48 AM#380
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Elikal

Evil: Outright evil is how my friends and everyone can SEE all I did, watched, played asf. I already find it highly disturbing that in Steam all people I know can see what games I own, when I played them, what I unlocked. So I am becoming more and more transparent. No more can I cover my life behind gentle lies, like "Oh sorry I don't have time right now" - "YES I can see you play Halo again now!" Sorry, but I want to keep my doings to myself and I want to be in control who knows what. And I most certainly DON'T want a free pass to EVERYONE to know all the stuff I watched and played! (Like all my friends know all the porn I watched... >.<)

The next step is a Facebook-style update to reveal all of that information publicly so that prospective future employers can find out exactly how much you played each game out there.

I'd say that's ridiculous, except that Facebook has already gone there.

There is already Xbox 360 blogging system: http://360voice.gamerdna.com/

Seriously I would think large part of people would want system that posts Facebook and Twitter updates when they get Achievement. Whole point of achievements is boasting.

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