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  rojoArcueid

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5/23/13 11:08:06 AM#21

Carbine is part of NCsoft so i hope their hybrid model is a Buy to play like GW2 with a subscription option that gives even more perks to subscribers. That way people who purchased the game dont get locked out of content because they already purchased the whole game, instead subbers get even more extra additional goodies.

 

Yeah sounded a bit redundant but just making my wish list clear. If they are smart people they will NOT go the swtor way.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  User Deleted
5/23/13 11:08:08 AM#22
Be careful, Troy Hewett said that despite of what we heard, they haven't made any announcements.This is still subject to change so nobody should dig in quite yet.
  psiic

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5/23/13 11:08:18 AM#23

Blizzard and Trion have proved vanity pets and mounts are always HUGE  sellers on item malls and really do not effect any advantage in overall gameplay. 

 

  Yaevindusk

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5/23/13 11:11:30 AM#24
Originally posted by pbernard1985

I can't find it right now, but in an earlier interview I remember Gaffney stating that he likes the idea of launching with a subscription model to recoup some cost, and then converting to a buy to play or free to play type model down the road.

 

It was in the MMORPG segment that was entitled "crafting in Wildstar" (though ultimately such a payment model was used by most games thus far who milk those still willing to pay at the start and then go F2P to milk that crowd, much to the dismay of those who paid).   Though there was an earlier point whereby he mentioned the payment model will be different than was as stated in that (yesterday's) video.

 

On May 16th MMORPG hosted a live interview whereby it was stated that their ultimate research on payment models was that "everybody hated every payment model in existence" (paraphrased).  With this he noted that the new payment model will likely be different, but expected  some to naturally still hate it because of that or just because people dislike being torn with their money.

 

I guess other video adds proper confirmation what with the words that it's undisclosed but not unknown.

 

 
 

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  udon

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5/23/13 11:12:10 AM#25

There are a few things I hope don't end up in this game.

1.  Real money to in game currency conversation in any form.

2.  Bag space locked in the cash shop.  It's fine if non sub players have to unlock slots but the actually bag's themselves should be in game items.  I don't want to have to reach for my wallet every time a new item drops I might want to store in my bank.

3.  Slot machine boxes.  Unless they are going to give Sub players a endless key ring to open these they just need to stay out of the game.

4.  Crafting improvement items in the cash shop.  If I have to spend real money to get a good chance to go from a +3 item to +4 item no thanks.

 

 

 

  SpottyGekko

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5/23/13 11:40:32 AM#26

They will launch with the usual collection of "founder's packs" and Collector's Editions, etc.

It will be sub only.

They'll also announce that the game will be going F2P 12 months after launch.

 

Then we'll see how many people are prepared to wait a year to play the game "for free" :D

  Instigator-Jones

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5/23/13 11:56:30 AM#27
Such fail; BTP + vanity cash shop = win

NO conversion in game cash to real cash,
NO P2W option
NO sub fee AND vanity cash shop (jeez! Talk about WoW double dip model).
NO play restrictions on players.

Pay for the BOX = influx of cash for initial investment. Vanity shop = maintenance.

So simple, now focus on content and keep the players wanting to play and expand AND contribute through the cash shop.

NOTICE the distinction there, players WANTING to contribute BECAUSE the game is awesome. We don't want players HAVING to contribute because they want too.
  BeansnBread

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5/23/13 12:00:45 PM#28
Originally posted by Instigator-Jones
 We don't want players HAVING to contribute because they want too.

Dude, just... dude.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Denambren

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5/23/13 12:29:58 PM#29
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Instigator-Jones
 We don't want players HAVING to contribute because they want too.

Dude, just... dude.

While instigator-Jones really phrased that badly, if you actually read his post you'll see he wasn't suggesting players shouldn't have to contribute. He just prefers the box buy + vanity shop model. No need to jump on him, but yeah that sentence could use fixing.

  Torvaldr

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5/23/13 12:33:34 PM#30
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

They will launch with the usual collection of "founder's packs" and Collector's Editions, etc.

It will be sub only.

They'll also announce that the game will be going F2P 12 months after launch.

Then we'll see how many people are prepared to wait a year to play the game "for free" :D

No, that would be P2P, not hybrid.  Hybrid is ambiguous, but it certainly doesn't mean P2P or sub-locked.  I think we can safely assume that means it will offer a subscription option, but beyond that are there any other concrete details.?

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  BeansnBread

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5/23/13 12:37:29 PM#31
Originally posted by Denambren
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Instigator-Jones
 We don't want players HAVING to contribute because they want too.

Dude, just... dude.

While instigator-Jones really phrased that badly, if you actually read his post you'll see he wasn't suggesting players shouldn't have to contribute. He just prefers the box buy + vanity shop model. No need to jump on him, but yeah that sentence could use fixing.

I wasn't suggesting that he thought players shouldn't contribute.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Instigator-Jones

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5/23/13 12:58:46 PM#32
Damn boss interrupted me! Should have been:
"Because they HAVE too".
Thanks for bagging on the mistake and completely missing the point though.
  BeansnBread

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5/23/13 1:01:46 PM#33
Originally posted by Instigator-Jones
Damn boss interrupted me! Should have been:
"Because they HAVE too".
Thanks for bagging on the mistake and completely missing the point though.

I literally thought you meant that the issue with many F2P options is that players think they have to pay. Sorry if I was bagging on you.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Nikopol

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5/23/13 2:46:15 PM#34

He doesn't just say "It's a hybrid model", he also says "We're not going for a simple model".

That makes me think it's not a straight B2P + cash shop affair like GW2, because, well, that's a pretty simple model in my book, it's how we expect B2P titles to work and people are used to it now thanks to GW2.

I'd also rule out a tiered subscription *only* model, as that'd not be a "hybrid"; it's just a P2P model though not a "simple" one.

F2P with cash shop is a pretty straightforward model, so that's probably not it as well.

What seems likely to me is a B2P model with optional subscription on top for premium. Plus maybe a very very limited "trial" option.

So, how'd that work? Mind, this is purely "out of the posterior" stuff. :)

Well, you'd *have to* pay for the box price to get to play the whole game (as opposed to trial). It'd have a cash shop with no pay-to-win items, but some juicy cosmetics probably including housing stuff, mounts and vehicles, game services (transfer, rename etc), and non-combat clothes, etc.

The sub would give you good deals in the cash shop (along with some fixed monthly currency), with maybe some game services like extra character slots as well.

Also, maybe DLCs that come free for the subbers?

To me, that sort of thing would be a "hybrid model that's not simple".

 

  Rinna

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5/24/13 12:04:53 PM#35
I hope they have a sub based barrier to entry model. I would be perfectly happy with a billing setup like Wow. I hate F2P models and I hate constantly being interrupted to have another dollar squeezed from my wallet. I'll happily pay 20 bucks a month and 60-80 bucks for the game to be left the eff alone while playing. I'll take buffet vs. ala carte please!

No bitchers.

  bltme

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5/25/13 10:05:50 AM#36

i like the hybrid model although I suspect it's a b2p, meaning if you can't afford it wait four more years or never.......With buy 2 play games starting to monopolize I am starting to wonder what does hybrid mean in the free to play market.

  Scellow

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5/25/13 5:38:42 PM#37
The gameplay sucks, point'n'click ... always waiting for a real action gameplay ... FUCKING HOTBARS FUCKING TAB-SYSTEM -FUCK THE MMO MARKET
  RagabashMoon

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5/25/13 7:35:42 PM#38

I just can no longer trust any game put out by NCSoft. I apologize to the people at Carbine, I know THEY aren't to blame, but NCSoft has just shut down too many games, for crazy reasons and in crazy ways (firing a guy, shutting down his game, and forging a letter of resignation while he's not even on planet Earth because they sent him to outer space to promote the game?).  As for City of Heroes, the real game I hate NCSoft for canceling, it may not have a been a huge cash cow anymore, but it was self-sustaining with about $10,000 profit a month.  Makes me think it was a scapegoat to appease the investors after Guild Wars 2 didn't make back it's production costs fast enough, so they started to panic.

 

Either way, they've shown that they can and will just shut a game down with no prior notice and for reasons that to this day nobody really understands.

  Aori

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5/25/13 8:09:10 PM#39
Originally posted by RagabashMoon

I just can no longer trust any game put out by NCSoft. I apologize to the people at Carbine, I know THEY aren't to blame, but NCSoft has just shut down too many games, for crazy reasons and in crazy ways (firing a guy, shutting down his game, and forging a letter of resignation while he's not even on planet Earth because they sent him to outer space to promote the game?).  As for City of Heroes, the real game I hate NCSoft for canceling, it may not have a been a huge cash cow anymore, but it was self-sustaining with about $10,000 profit a month.  Makes me think it was a scapegoat to appease the investors after Guild Wars 2 didn't make back it's production costs fast enough, so they started to panic.

 

Either way, they've shown that they can and will just shut a game down with no prior notice and for reasons that to this day nobody really understands.

I dislike NCsoft with a strong passion, however I will stand by Carbine for as long as I can.

  Twobit

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5/27/13 9:19:21 AM#40

Release Date?

"The day it's ready."

And not a minute sooner please. I'm so tired of games getting released before they are ready and being seriously broken - causing all my friends to get pissed off and leave.

 

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