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News & Features Discussion  » [Editorial] Neverwinter: On the Duplication Debacle

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5/24/13 1:22:53 PM#21
I don't understand these gaming sites anymore here , they give these game companies so much press that are known by far as the shadiest companies on the internet. Aerie Gpotato Webzen and perfect world are by far the shadiest companies on the net for games that thousands of players complain about their shady tactics. Yet they get tons of press time because they bought up some failing American company like cryptic and are treated as if they are triple A mmo companies when they are not. Anyone spending money in games like this deserve seriously to be ripped off because their checkered pasts here have proven time and time again they have no issues at all ripping off the consumer and providing next to nothing for customer service. The only difference now is they are letting their american devs talk about it with interviews for press time. These companies are the shady used cars salesmen of the internet and do not by any means deserve the press time they get on these sites.  Call me a hater but im seriously about sick of reading crap on this site and massively etc about these pay to win shady no customer service ripoff companies that get treated differently by our laws because they are from china and Korea.

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5/24/13 1:58:49 PM#22
Follow me to RIFT my friend (its all AMERICAN)

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5/24/13 3:38:20 PM#23
I am done with this game and will never play game associated with cryptic or perfect world. How this game is not on the list for the worst MMO's of 2013 is beyond me. If I had to choose between gouging out my eye with a spoon or logging into neverwinter again, I am asking for an eye-patch.

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5/24/13 6:15:59 PM#24

”If Cryptic did wipe the servers they would have to refund every Zen that anyone has spent on the game. To do anything else would be criminal. Not literally but you get the idea."

IMO, If so, then yes literally, they have taken money but not provided the product (As far as I know, there are laws that cover this)!


I don't play it much, so was not affected by it yet, but most likely will be, if the economy does not correct its self!


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5/24/13 7:32:35 PM#25
I quit playing and uninstalled the game after this fiasco.   A pity, because I was enjoying it up until all of this went down, but I don't have the time or energy to compete in a game with rampant inflation and there is no way that what happened didn't result in some pretty crazy inflation.  Everything I know about economics says it did, without a doubt.
I also lost what little faith I may have had in Cryptic and it will take a pretty revolutionary game from them to get me to ever even consider playing another of their games in the future.

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5/24/13 7:47:03 PM#26

Everything is too expensive. 6$ for a respec? No thank you.

Everything cost a ton of AD and crafting doesn't seem to be worth it. 


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5/24/13 8:03:52 PM#27
This is a great article. That's why it's so unfortunate you think Caturday falls on Sunday. It doesn't. 

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5/24/13 8:21:29 PM#28

With Apologies to Gordon Gekko:

All I hear from PerfectWorld is:

Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures, the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money... and greed, you mark my words, will not only save Neverwinter , but also the entire MMO industry.


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5/25/13 12:23:59 AM#29
Originally posted by UnleadedRev

....For example, when you work hard to get to level 60 with enough glory to buy a set of full PvP armor....


This part kinda made me chuckle...



Work hard to reach 60.... er kay!


Idk but it took me at most 3ish days on a rog, 6 on a cleric to hit 60, and no more than a solid 2 1/2 hours on the rog to gear up both toons with glory gear.


yes your right about the enhancement thing and the idea(the brilliant idea, lol thanks perfect world, u stupid and greedy sods) that players would get to max level so quickly, then take thousands of times longer to grind out 'top gear' just to grind out 'higher' gear - or pay thousands of real life money...


You are right. Everything else u said. But that beginning part... lol.


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5/25/13 2:33:14 AM#30
Enjoying the game. Sad servers are down right now. Not sure what everyone is so mad about, but I've run into very few issues. Maybe i'm just lucky. Just play and have fun doing it.

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5/25/13 4:54:36 AM#31

Situations like this are always no win.  If you fix the problem with a major roll back, you hurt the majority of players who stayed within the rules.  If you just wave at it, like Cryptic did, you only get the major abusers and still leave the game economy borked for some time to come.  There just is not an easy solution here since they have said there is not a character wipe at the end of Beta.

The game is still in beta, but of course, it really isn't because they won't have a character wipe.  Games that don't have a character wipe after their so called beta are really just releasing the game with bugs yet to be found.  The you have games like Diablo III have been out for a while, yet it was compromised in a similar manner.  All games have bugs, just that some are far more damaging than others.

Seems sad for those of you who like Neverwinter, but then maybe it is a good thing, you will get out before you get to end game and find out how expensive a pay-to-win game can really be.



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5/25/13 11:39:52 AM#32

This is the sort of thing that should make players pause and ask what they are really playing for: the experience of playing or a sense of ownership over database entries that they don't actually own at all?  If you are upset about a rollback, what emotions are you setting yourself up for if/when the game eventually shuts down at some point in the (hopefully distant) future?


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Try not!
Do or do not
There is no try.

5/25/13 12:20:27 PM#33
Rob, thank you for at least pointing out some of the important facts of this massive mess called Neverwinter. After reading some of the other postings from this site on the issue I was starting to feel sick. There are many issues from the development side  in this game since closed beta. Many bug reports were ignored and some still have not been fixed and we are talking exploitable bugs. The one mentioned in this article has been present in STO also.... so did they just copy and paste code that was bugged? There are deeper concerns that arise from the issue that got all the attention and I believe I am not alone in asking for someone in the MMO news field to step up and ask the important questions! There are many that would love to see the heat turned up and have Cryptic and PWE answer the more important questions.

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5/25/13 6:41:36 PM#34
I have a level 44 rogue and have played since launch.  Im having fun still.  I haven't spent a cent and have never had the need to use the Auction House. The inflation doesn't affect me and the roll back was fine by me to remove a few billion ad from the economy.  Im amazed that people have 'spent quite a bit of money' on this game.  Sorry but more fool you guys.  Why would you be so stupid as to put good money into something not fully tested, and then blame someone because you feel ripped off. 

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5/26/13 3:08:51 PM#35
With 3 toons to 60 and time spent in Epic dungeons & PVP I ended up uninstalling NW during the week. If you aren't willing to pay $$ - all the game amounts to is being a grind for AD to do just about anything you can think of. Want to craft that rare leather armor, open a lockbox, respec to a very limited selection of feats/powers, or attach an armor enchant to your epic armor. Not worth the effort IMO and a serious let down for all D&D fans. Foundry is a great idea, but it's not enough to overcome PWE & Cryptics bad implementation of the title

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5/26/13 3:54:08 PM#36

How could this game possibly, after the bad press and the bad things I am reading about it ever stand the test of time and be able to compete in a market where a lot of AAA mmo's are being released that all look very promising?

I don't think it can, because people who might be on the fence and reading story's like this will almost certainly walk away from this game and wait for the next game.


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5/26/13 4:12:57 PM#37

This is more of an indictment of PWE than Cryptic.  The original ideas for NeverWinter were reworked on PWE's command,  and the cash shop has their stink all over it.  


The one thing I will say, is I have heard that STO had a similar screw up on their auction house.   If that is the case and they released the NW trading house with the same bugs....well, time to send some folks to the stocks.

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.


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5/27/13 11:49:03 AM#38
Perhaps this is why online games, not just MMO's should not have an open cash shop until launch. By all means test the cash shop on the test server, but if you are asking players to pay for items before launch the game is asking for this sort of trouble.

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5/27/13 12:28:43 PM#39
Originally posted by Butch808
yeah, worse D&D game in recent history IMO.

Worse than Daggerfall?

Really D&D games are no longer made, DDO is the only thing.  One of the reasons I had such high hopes for Neverwinter, really wanted a NWN3 though but now am just going to forget about any sort of D&D MMO as it just won't happen.  I really think they should have followed the NWN template (party based play, single player game with multiplayer capabilities aka Persistent Worlds, full modding capability toolset, immersive story) and just made a really great CoOp game and not this MMO trash.  Well hopefully Project Eternity will produce something similar to what a NWN3 would be.


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5/27/13 12:32:24 PM#40
Originally posted by daHoopsta
With 3 toons to 60 and time spent in Epic dungeons & PVP I ended up uninstalling NW during the week. If you aren't willing to pay $$ - all the game amounts to is being a grind for AD to do just about anything you can think of. Want to craft that rare leather armor, open a lockbox, respec to a very limited selection of feats/powers, or attach an armor enchant to your epic armor. Not worth the effort IMO and a serious let down for all D&D fans. Foundry is a great idea, but it's not enough to overcome PWE & Cryptics bad implementation of the title

The Foundry is also implemented very poorly.  It has way to much limitations on it and is not immersive at all.  If they don't allow Persistent Worlds then one can just scratch off the Foundry as Persistent Worlds is what kept NWN going.

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