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  MMOExposed

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5/24/13 7:05:39 PM#21
mmo is the general name of the genre. Mmorpg is a subgenre of mmo. mmo are games with massively multiplayer gameplay, which means a persistent game world which 100s of players play together that isnt hosted by a user. LoL is not a MMO because it does not have a persistant game world in which that massive player base can play together. Only in lobby. Lobbies aren't considered massively multiplayer

  Wololo

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5/24/13 9:00:31 PM#22
Originally posted by Four0Six

In the beginning there was only MMORPG.

Now there are MMOFPS, MMOMOBA, MMORTS, MMOLobby...MMOBLAHBLAHBLAH.

Semantics are important, since when you use words to communicate there meaning is important, but it is also important to understand that it is a much broader market now.

MMOMOBA = Massive Multiplayer Online Multiplayer Online Battle Arena?

Nice one.

  MMOExposed

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5/24/13 9:43:02 PM#23
Originally posted by Wololo
Originally posted by Four0Six

In the beginning there was only MMORPG.

Now there are MMOFPS, MMOMOBA, MMORTS, MMOLobby...MMOBLAHBLAHBLAH.

Semantics are important, since when you use words to communicate there meaning is important, but it is also important to understand that it is a much broader market now.

MMOMOBA = Massive Multiplayer Online Multiplayer Online Battle Arena?

Nice one.

 

basically is a large Game world designed for FFA PvP like a huge arena but calling itself a sandbox which it not even close to being. Games like Darkfall fit this category

  Axehilt

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5/24/13 10:07:46 PM#24
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by Wololo 

MMOMOBA = Massive Multiplayer Online Multiplayer Online Battle Arena?

Nice one.

 basically is a large Game world designed for FFA PvP like a huge arena but calling itself a sandbox which it not even close to being. Games like Darkfall fit this category

Did you just imply Darkfall had MOBA gameplay?

You do realize MOBA refers to DOTA, LoL, and similar games right?  It's a weak genre title for sure, but refers to a pretty clear type of game -- a type of game Darkfall is nothing like.

  Alcuin

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5/24/13 10:27:16 PM#25
Originally posted by jesad

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  lizardbones

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5/24/13 10:55:07 PM#26

MMORPG came first, then it got shortened to MMO. I think they both meant the same thing for a long time because there were no examples of anything except MMORPG.

Now, I think MMO is the umbrella under which MMORPG rests, along with MMOFPS, MMORTS and MMO{undefined}. In order for something to be an MMO, it needs to be part of a group under the MMO umbrella. If it's not one of those MMOxxx things, then it's not an MMO. Make sense?

I think the key defining feature of MMORPGs and by extension MMOs is a persistent, shared world. So MOBAs and D3 are not MMOs.

I also think this is going to change as people apply the MMO moniker to more stuff. If they apply it to MOBAs and D3 enough times, and accept that they fall under the MMO definition, then the definition of MMO will change to accommodate D3 and MOBAs. The persistent, shared world requirement will get dropped and it will be enough that all the people share the game or can be online at the same time.

This isn't a bad or good thing, this is just how language works. It's in a constant state of slowly changing to suite the needs of the people using it. *shrug* MMOs are Dead! Long Live MMOs!

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  Axehilt

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5/25/13 12:52:29 AM#27
Originally posted by lizardbones

MMORPG came first, then it got shortened to MMO. I think they both meant the same thing for a long time because there were no examples of anything except MMORPG.

Now, I think MMO is the umbrella under which MMORPG rests, along with MMOFPS, MMORTS and MMO{undefined}. In order for something to be an MMO, it needs to be part of a group under the MMO umbrella. If it's not one of those MMOxxx things, then it's not an MMO. Make sense?

I think the key defining feature of MMORPGs and by extension MMOs is a persistent, shared world. So MOBAs and D3 are not MMOs.

I also think this is going to change as people apply the MMO moniker to more stuff. If they apply it to MOBAs and D3 enough times, and accept that they fall under the MMO definition, then the definition of MMO will change to accommodate D3 and MOBAs. The persistent, shared world requirement will get dropped and it will be enough that all the people share the game or can be online at the same time.

This isn't a bad or good thing, this is just how language works. It's in a constant state of slowly changing to suite the needs of the people using it. *shrug* MMOs are Dead! Long Live MMOs!

Personally I take this approach:

  1. The acronyms are composed of words.
  2. Those words have meaning.
  3. Their meaning is simple and pretty frickin' clear.
Which results in:
  • MMOs are an online game where an unusually large number of players inhabit the same game space together.
  • MMORPGs are (videogame) role-playing games which are MMOs.
So while sometimes "MMO" works fine as shorthand for MMORPGs (because the comments aren't specific to the RPG type of MMO), it's a less specific term.
 
It's like if you asked your friends to play "ball".  Baseball?  Football?  Basketball? Most of the time it's not a big deal, but the full name removes all doubt.
  Reizla

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MMORPGs are no longer about the mass multi-user anymore *sadly*

5/25/13 1:08:05 AM#28
Originally posted by filmoret

MMO=Massive Multiplayer Online

MMORPG=Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game

League of Legends is an example of MMO  there are literally thousands of players, however you will only encounter 10 at a time.

World of Warcraft is MMORPG because you got the roleplaying aspect added to the thousands of players.

World of Warcraft is IMO not very different from League of Legends. Okay, you see 100s of players in the capitals, but there's no real interaction. All you see are about 5 or 25 players at a time in a (random) dungeon.

If you want a real MMORPG you should look at the (old) Asian 'grind' titles. There you have your MMORPG where you have no or limited instances and you see 100s of players running around in the real world and you actually have to team up with other players to get things accomplished...

...sadly, Lineage II used to be like this and now only has this feature from level 90 and up (still takes ages to hit max though :p)

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  Hatefull

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5/25/13 1:20:35 AM#29
Originally posted by filmoret

Seen a lot of people who get these definitions all mixed up. 

MMO=Massive Multiplayer Online

MMORPG=Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game

 

Don't know if there is a 100% definition of what Massive is I'd say more then 1k players but doesn't really matter.

 

League of Legends is an example of MMO  there are literally thousands of players, however you will only encounter 10 at a time.

World of Warcraft is MMORPG because you got the roleplaying aspect added to the thousands of players.

 

Lots of people are very confused about these terms, I just want to help clear things up and there should never be arguments about silly technicalities of word meanings.  Everyone here would like to read fresh ideas from intelligent minds and not lose track by beating dead horses with meaningless conversations about technical word meanings.

Ok, so these are your opinions, not fact.  10 People at a time does not an MMO make, in my opinion.  Good post for starting a conversation about the topic, but you are by no means the final say.

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  User Deleted
5/25/13 1:22:41 AM#30

For me...

 

MMORPG - Massively multiplayer online roleplaying game with  several hundred (or more) persistent characters in the SAME CONNECTED WORLD at the same time.  Anyone can walk to anyone, at any time.

 

MMO - Online multiplayer game with publisher run servers, different than FPS games which have servers run by players.  All it indicates is the networking framework.

 

  Axehilt

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5/25/13 3:35:44 AM#31
Originally posted by ZombieKen

For me... 

MMORPG - Massively multiplayer online roleplaying game with  several hundred (or more) persistent characters in the SAME CONNECTED WORLD at the same time.  Anyone can walk to anyone, at any time. 

MMO - Online multiplayer game with publisher run servers, different than FPS games which have servers run by players.  All it indicates is the networking framework. 

So you think COD:Modern Warfare is an MMO.

  ShakyMo

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5/25/13 4:17:44 AM#32
No because cod and battlefield feature matches on a timer that you use a lobby to enter. Not the same thing as planetside which is a mmo, where its a fully persistent world just like wow or gw2 or whatever.
  Banquetto

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5/25/13 4:55:28 AM#33
I've been playing this awesome MMO on my iPad. It's called Bejewelled.. Millions of players, apparently. You can compete against your friends on a leaderboard and all! Great MMO!!
  SloFreak

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5/25/13 5:33:11 AM#34

MMORPG - Like another user said before, it came out first. It means a game world with more players than your normal multiplayer game. Years ago multiplayer games only supported max of 32 players some multiplayer games even less.

Game dose not need to have players in your sight but as long as the game world in which you play has more than 32+ (in todays standards it should be 100+) gamers online It is considered a MMORPG

It also means Role Playing Game. This counts any virtual character that your controlling, because your role playing as warrior, healer, archer, mage, dwarf, elf and so on...

Is LOL considered RPG? Yes your role playing as a character in a virtual world. Any game that you actually have a control over a character in a virtual world is a role playing game.

Is LOL a MMO? I don't think so because it has lobby's with less than 32 players in each one.

Is LOL a MO (multiplayer online). YES

Is WoW an MMORPG? Yes it has more than a 100+ players in the game world even if you don't see them in your line of sight. But they are still on there in the same game world.

  filmoret

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OP  5/25/13 7:14:40 AM#35
So according to the expert community we officially only have 1 MMO that is not an MMORPG.  Which Makes me realize that having any decent conversation on these forums is not possible.  Please give me a list of MMO's that are not MMORPGs because so far there is only 1 that has been listed and if there is only 1 then why in the world is the freaking term MMO used all the time?
  Jemcrystal

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5/25/13 7:25:42 AM#36
Idk but I get offended when someone tells me IMVU is an mmorpg.  I have no idea why this makes me want to polish weaponry and start slathering like a diseased animal.  I need a shrink.

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  ShakyMo

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5/25/13 8:46:56 AM#37
Film
More than one

Planetside
Planetside 2
Ww2 online
End of nations
Second life
A whole bunch of Asian Mmorts too
  madazz

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5/25/13 9:04:01 AM#38

I pity people who do not understand the simple definition of MMO. To wander around in life without even being able to grasp the simplest of things. To think LoL (which I enjoy), is an MMO is against what the developers and community believe. It also goes against the straightforward indisputable definition of what MMO means. I won't even delve into the topic further.

I must reiterate though, we should have pity for these people. If something so simple as "MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE" is beyond their comprehension, then we must assume that other simple things in life are also out of their reach. I hope these people are not allowed to drive.

  Loktofeit

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5/25/13 9:05:42 AM#39
Originally posted by filmoret
So according to the expert community we officially only have 1 MMO that is not an MMORPG.  Which Makes me realize that having any decent conversation on these forums is not possible.  Please give me a list of MMO's that are not MMORPGs because so far there is only 1 that has been listed and if there is only 1 then why in the world is the freaking term MMO used all the time?

Several people have already explained that many types of MMOs fall under that umbrella. Some examples are MMORTS(ex:SAGA), MMOFPS (ex:Planetside), MOBA (ex:LoL), PBBG (ex:Lords of Ultima), ActionRPG(ex:Vindictus).

As to why MMO is used all the time:

- it's shorter to type and say

- it covers a broader spectrum of what the platform offers now

- it has less baggage to it than MMORPG does, although many developers are moving away from both terms for that very reason

 

 

 

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  Loktofeit

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5/25/13 9:06:31 AM#40
Originally posted by madazz

I pity people who do not understand the simple definition of MMO. To wander around in life without even being able to grasp the simplest of things. To think LoL (which I enjoy), is an MMO is against what the developers and community believe. It also goes against the straightforward indisputable definition of what MMO means. I won't even delve into the topic further.

I must reiterate though, we should have pity for these people. If something so simple as "MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE" is beyond their comprehension, then we must assume that other simple things in life are also out of their reach. I hope these people are not allowed to drive.

Important difference there.

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