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  Whitebeards

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5/24/13 4:36:43 AM#21
Originally posted by Jerkbag

i think your getting confused with mmorpg's and the term wow clone

what game to you isn't a clone of wow?

where you have a character that you level up and use wasd to move?

 

I never agreed with the term 'WOW clone' in the past. That term has been thrown around a lot even when it is not relevant. But like i said earlier in case of Wildstar atleast  it has some relevance. 

  Jerkbag

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OP  5/24/13 4:43:10 AM#22
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by Jerkbag
 

Well i disagree im not going to list the features that are different feel free to look them up yourself, there is alot...

WoW is the most successful MMO to follow in their footsteps isn't a bad thing in my eyes alot of people a tired of WoW and are looking for a game like WoW but different i mean... look a pepsi thats still around.......wheres SWTOR, etc etc etc etc etc etc?

i fail to see how swtor had the depth of WoW and the many features that WoW has 

  Jerkbag

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OP  5/24/13 4:47:43 AM#23
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Jerkbag

i think your getting confused with mmorpg's and the term wow clone

what game to you isn't a clone of wow?

where you have a character that you level up and use wasd to move?

 

I never agreed with the term 'WOW clone' in the past. That term has been thrown around a lot even when it is not relevant. But like i said earlier in case of Wildstar atleast  it has some relevance. 

i think the graphics are a clone but updated for the better 

and things like 20man 40man raids, and difficult dungeons in general which i think is greatly missed in mmo games today

i think most of the likely ness of wow is for the better 

  Remains

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5/24/13 4:49:21 AM#24

Damn, this thread got derailed fast...

 

Anyway, it is a bit strange how quiet it is about this game. I think they got scared by the negative reactions to the game when they announced it, so they pulled their heads back in. And ye, the dev questions seems to mostly be about hilariously irrelevant stuff.

 

Still, its been in development for years, right? So it should come out "soonish" then? Personally I cant wait for the usual nerdrage and shenanigans for the launch, as with any other MMO-launch.

  Jerkbag

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OP  5/24/13 4:57:41 AM#25
Originally posted by Remains

Damn, this thread got derailed fast...

 

Anyway, it is a bit strange how quiet it is about this game. I think they got scared by the negative reactions to the game when they announced it, so they pulled their heads back in. And ye, the dev questions seems to mostly be about hilariously irrelevant stuff.

 

Still, its been in development for years, right? So it should come out "soonish" then? Personally I cant wait for the usual nerdrage and shenanigans for the launch, as with any other MMO-launch.

thats what i mean though, most people i think would be losing interest in the game due to its quietness 

ofcourse theres the avid ES fans still holding on and one would assume its is due to release in 2013 so less then 7 months left 

imo and MMO needs abit more hype an attention for release

  Silverbarr

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5/24/13 4:57:41 AM#26
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Jerkbag

" SWTOR which is labeled as 'WOW in space" your kidding?

"We can list SWTOR and WIldstar features side by side if you like and you will realise WIldstar is more similar to WOW than any other MMO which has been labeled as WOW clone in the past."

WoW is the most successful MMO to follow in their footsteps isn't a bad thing in my eyes alot of people a tired of WoW and are looking for a game like WoW

i think you actually havent looking into wildstar at all

you're either a bad troll or stupid

No i am not kidding. Did you just switch on the internet or something? SWTOR also tried to follow in footsteps of WOW, so did Rift and almost any other MMO in last 6 to 7 years. So nope it won't consider following in footsteps of WOW a good thing.

And now now...no need to call me names. Usually when people go that route it means they got nothing better to say.

And yes i did look into Wildstar, infact i was one of the few players who got to play the very first demo at PAX. 

But i am confused why are you angry? because i said Wildstar feels very much like WOW? because according to you many are looking for a game like WOW.  And then you tell me to go look into Wildstar.

 

 

I'm quite confused by your statements, as you state that you were here to "bring logic back to the discussion" and yet all I see is gross hyperbole. No logical deductions as to why or how you came to your "logical conclusion" other than a broad and hardly solid statement of stating that you "played WildStar at PAX" and yet you give no true indication as to why you are giving it the moniker of "WoW Clone".

 

So please, if you are here with any logic then show us the path and steps that your logic took to get to the final statement that you seem to stubbornly hold on to. :)

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  Xepherd

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5/24/13 5:11:14 AM#27
Originally posted by Whitebeards

Define 'lots". Other than housing what other 'lots' of features are there? if anything it is the only MMO which deserves the title of 'WOW clone'.

Such a WOW clone that it offers dynamic combat/ you can move while fighting and can use a controller.

No really, don't even try to bash WildStar comparing it to WOW…or I'll have to remind you all the games WOW has copied. WildStar is a "cartoonish"-looking MMO and this has nothing to do with WOW.

Did you never play this 1999 game called "Rayman 2" ?

http://www.oldiesrising.com/images_testsv3/Sega%20Dreamcast/Rayman%202%20-%20The%20Great%20Escape/Rayman%202%20-%20The%20Great%20Escape2.jpg

Or watched this 2002 movie?

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32500000/Walt-Disney-Posters-Treasure-Planet-walt-disney-characters-32526446-1783-2480.jpg

WildStar has a "cartoon" style - sure - but that's the only common thing with World of Warcraft (2004). Thanks God we can still make Cartoonish looking games without having to call them "WOW Clones" especially when the gameplay, outside some generic MMO aspects, has nothing in common with WOW.

PS: Looking forward to ESO like crazy :)

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  baphamet

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5/24/13 10:27:58 AM#28

wildstar needs to aggressively market their game because quite frankly fewer people know about it.

TESO can wait to release info and when they do the internet will light up, they will have no issues marketing their game when they feel the time is right.

TESO isn't the first company to take this "hush hush" approach.

oh and i wont be playing wildstar, i don't play games with cheesy graphics anymore.

  Sovrath

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5/24/13 11:06:29 AM#29
Originally posted by Remains

Damn, this thread got derailed fast...

 

Anyway, it is a bit strange how quiet it is about this game. I think they got scared by the negative reactions to the game when they announced it, so they pulled their heads back in. And ye, the dev questions seems to mostly be about hilariously irrelevant stuff.

 

Still, its been in development for years, right? So it should come out "soonish" then? Personally I cant wait for the usual nerdrage and shenanigans for the launch, as with any other MMO-launch.

I agree.

However, I think more game companies need to keep quiet about their features until they are cemented into place. Too many gamers who start crying "the sky is falling" when a developer changes something or adds something.

A developer should be able to change, add and remove anything they want during development.

I'm not worried about this game losing interested players. Heck, based on the HUGE lines at PAX it seems that there are many people who are following this game.

  Vannor

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5/24/13 11:10:58 AM#30
Originally posted by Jerkbag

it baffles me that an elder scrolls game with so many fans and followers only has a current hype on this website of 8.20 below games like Path of Exile  and World of Darkness.

Maybe i rate the elder scrolls franchise to highly and have unreasonable expectations i dont know...maybe its to early to give out any sort of info...

What you you guys think?

I think... the only reason it has more than a 6 is because of it's name.

Everything we know about the game and everything that's been shown just looks average. It's riding on the franchise's coat tails from the look of it.

It could prove to be a decent game but it just doesn't look like it so far. Just looks average.

  Thorbrand

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5/24/13 11:11:12 AM#31

There isn't a single MMO that comes out is what they said it would be or even has the features they use to sell it any longer. Don't believe a single thing a Dev says about a MMO until you see the game for yourself. Hype is just fanbois on the wagon with no actual information to go on. Remember what they say the game will be more than likely isn't what the game will be anyway. They just want your money quick and fast as possible before going F2P.

  Iselin

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5/24/13 2:14:52 PM#32
Originally posted by Jerkbag

so i've been pumped for this time since the time it was announced as i am a big ES fan and mmo player, but i think the way the are marketing it is rather terrible in my opinion ... i feel like there is a massive lack of news and updates thus giving it no hype or interest from people browsing for a new mmo, now perhaps that is because the release date is maybe further towards the end of the year and i don't have the content or the answers to give 

whereas another new MMO Wildstar has taken my fancy releases new updates regularly though that seems to be in the beta stage so release may be sooner giving them more stuff to talk about though i also think ESO is also in CBT?

I guess what i'm trying to say is they need to market there game better because i fear ALOT of people are losing interest or haven't even heard of it yet and i'm worried they are going to hit the ground running and right now im more likely to play wildstar then ESO because of it

it baffles me that an elder scrolls game with so many fans and followers only has a current hype on this website of 8.20 below games like Path of Exile  and World of Darkness.

Maybe i rate the elder scrolls franchise to highly and have unreasonable expectations i dont know...maybe its to early to give out any sort of info...

What you you guys think?

P.S Developer questions? really? WTF is that? "what's the grossest ingredient you're character has ever tasted in and Elder Scrolls game" i think i speak for majority when i say who cares? i think they are upto developer question number 24  thats 24 dumb questions..... that's not what we want we want info and answer OUR questions don't ask your own.... hows the game coming along ? what did you focus on in development this past month? give us something..

I could be completely wrong here but this just my opinion

I agree with you. They're not promoting it enough. They seem to be revealing details on a very leisurely schedule--like once a month... maybe. The weekly Dev Q&A ranges from occasionally informative to totally irrelevant fluff (This week's: "What is the grossest ingredient your character has ever tasted in an Elder Scrolls Game"....really? Who gives a flying f**k? How about telling us how siege weapons will be crafted instead of this shit?).

I made the same point here a couple of weeks ago (I forget which thread) also comparing it to Wildstar's great PR campaign which has weekly reveals with good little game-play videos that are well scripted and have the same humorous tone as all of their previous videos.

Several others here responded saying basically, that Wildstar is an unknown IP and needs more PR than ESO. Maybe so, but I still think Zenimax is being way too casual.

  muffins89

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5/24/13 2:19:46 PM#33
im glad ZOS isn't over-hyping TESO.  it does nothing but create drama and flame wars on the forums.  game is still about 6 months out so im sure there will be more hype closer to launch.

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  romello

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hallo ~_~

5/24/13 2:21:18 PM#34
do what i do, erase all games u cant play from memory, pretend they don't exist, problem solved

hallo ~_~

  muffins89

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5/24/13 2:22:06 PM#35
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Jerkbag

so i've been pumped for this time since the time it was announced as i am a big ES fan and mmo player, but i think the way the are marketing it is rather terrible in my opinion ... i feel like there is a massive lack of news and updates thus giving it no hype or interest from people browsing for a new mmo, now perhaps that is because the release date is maybe further towards the end of the year and i don't have the content or the answers to give 

whereas another new MMO Wildstar has taken my fancy releases new updates regularly though that seems to be in the beta stage so release may be sooner giving them more stuff to talk about though i also think ESO is also in CBT?

I guess what i'm trying to say is they need to market there game better because i fear ALOT of people are losing interest or haven't even heard of it yet and i'm worried they are going to hit the ground running and right now im more likely to play wildstar then ESO because of it

it baffles me that an elder scrolls game with so many fans and followers only has a current hype on this website of 8.20 below games like Path of Exile  and World of Darkness.

Maybe i rate the elder scrolls franchise to highly and have unreasonable expectations i dont know...maybe its to early to give out any sort of info...

What you you guys think?

P.S Developer questions? really? WTF is that? "what's the grossest ingredient you're character has ever tasted in and Elder Scrolls game" i think i speak for majority when i say who cares? i think they are upto developer question number 24  thats 24 dumb questions..... that's not what we want we want info and answer OUR questions don't ask your own.... hows the game coming along ? what did you focus on in development this past month? give us something..

I could be completely wrong here but this just my opinion

I agree with you. They're not promoting it enough. They seem to be revealing details on a very leisurely schedule--like once a month... maybe. The weekly Dev Q&A ranges from occasionally informative to totally irrelevant fluff (This week's: "What is the grossest ingredient your character has ever tasted in an Elder Scrolls Game"....really? Who gives a flying f**k? How about telling us how siege weapons will be crafted instead of this shit?).

I made the same point here a couple of weeks ago (I forget which thread) also comparing it to Wildstar's great PR campaign which has weekly reveals with good little game-play videos that are well scripted and have the same humorous tone as all of their previous videos.

Several others here responded saying basically, that Wildstar is an unknown IP and needs more PR than ESO. Maybe so, but I still think Zenimax is being way too casual.

really?  how to craft siege weapons?  the problem with other games releasing so much info before the game comes out is that everyone has already played it before they have it installed on their hard drives.  you want to know how to craft siege weapons?  how is that important?  put some crafting materials together and bam - siege weapon.

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  nethervoid

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5/24/13 2:26:45 PM#36
Originally posted by Caldrin

don't get worked up about new MMORPGs you will just get upset when they are released.

 

This is the kind of wisdom you get after having played MMOs for a billion years like us. lol Also said it all inside a tweet. Another bonus.

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  Kyleran

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5/24/13 2:28:30 PM#37
Originally posted by nethervoid
Originally posted by Caldrin

don't get worked up about new MMORPGs you will just get upset when they are released.

 

This is the kind of wisdom you get after having played MMOs for a billion years like us. lol Also said it all inside a tweet. Another bonus.

LOL, well said, can't say I'm excited about any upcoming games, so I can't really get let down either.  And hey, if one actually turns out to be one I really like, it will be a pleasant surprise.

 

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  Iselin

The Listener

Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3703

5/24/13 2:32:23 PM#38
Originally posted by muffins89
really?  how to craft siege weapons?  the problem with other games releasing so much info before the game comes out is that everyone has already played it before they have it installed on their hard drives.  you want to know how to craft siege weapons?  how is that important?  put some crafting materials together and bam - siege weapon.

So... what is the grossest ingredient your character has ever eaten in a TES game?

"bam--siege weapon"... "Look ma! I have a backpack and pulled out this Insta-ballista kit from it and...bam! Cool or what?"

  hopelessness

Novice Member

Joined: 3/15/13
Posts: 5

5/24/13 2:35:22 PM#39
the hype for this game took a nose dive after the leaked beta footage came out.. Zenimax did nothing to counter it and hasn't recovered. I imagine things could change rapidly for this game with the release of new media/info and I am certain it will make it's way back onto the list once they engage the hype machine... I suppose it could be concious decision to not 'over-hype' their game, however I'm skeptical this is even possible given the pressure companies have on advertising demands.
  Whitebeards

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 750

5/24/13 2:37:03 PM#40
Originally posted by Silverbarr
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Jerkbag

" SWTOR which is labeled as 'WOW in space" your kidding?

"We can list SWTOR and WIldstar features side by side if you like and you will realise WIldstar is more similar to WOW than any other MMO which has been labeled as WOW clone in the past."

WoW is the most successful MMO to follow in their footsteps isn't a bad thing in my eyes alot of people a tired of WoW and are looking for a game like WoW

i think you actually havent looking into wildstar at all

you're either a bad troll or stupid

No i am not kidding. Did you just switch on the internet or something? SWTOR also tried to follow in footsteps of WOW, so did Rift and almost any other MMO in last 6 to 7 years. So nope it won't consider following in footsteps of WOW a good thing.

And now now...no need to call me names. Usually when people go that route it means they got nothing better to say.

And yes i did look into Wildstar, infact i was one of the few players who got to play the very first demo at PAX. 

But i am confused why are you angry? because i said Wildstar feels very much like WOW? because according to you many are looking for a game like WOW.  And then you tell me to go look into Wildstar.

 

 

I'm quite confused by your statements, as you state that you were here to "bring logic back to the discussion" and yet all I see is gross hyperbole. No logical deductions as to why or how you came to your "logical conclusion" other than a broad and hardly solid statement of stating that you "played WildStar at PAX" and yet you give no true indication as to why you are giving it the moniker of "WoW Clone".

 

So please, if you are here with any logic then show us the path and steps that your logic took to get to the final statement that you seem to stubbornly hold on to. :)

I don't see what is so confusing about what i said? i don't usually make assumptions about games i didn't play. But the half an hour that i spent at PAX  i couldn't shake the feeling that i am playing an updated version of WOW. Every MMOS that have been labeled as WOW clones in past also brought something new to the table or improved on existing features. And yet people constantly put those game down as WOW clones.

And then we have Wildstar which probably is the closest to following in WOW's footsteps with its own added feature. So i simply ask..why the double standards?

I can give you the laundry list of similarities but what difference will it make? just more circular arguments about how it is or not similar to WOW. But my experience is my own and more i read more i feel that if any MMO who deserved the dubious title of WOW clone it is this game.

However, i don't consider that a bad thing because i have enjoyed RIft, Swtor and WOW equally. And i will surely play WIldstar too but pardon me if i have hard time digesting the hypocrisy and double standards that go around when people decide what game should be labeled as WOW clone or not on basis of their own agenda, hate and bias.

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