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  jesad

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OP  5/24/13 3:26:57 AM#1

You know, a lot of things in nature tend to repeat themselves and goldfarming is a lot like that also.  Everything has a parasite that also lives off of the life that it is connected to.  Dogs have fleas, cows have flies, deer have ticks, just about everyone has maggots, and the list goes on.  It's the circle of life actually.  Not to go too deep on you guys but, we are born full of life and all clean and stuff, and as we age different things attach themselves to us until ultimately we are consumed with disease and we perish.  Such is also the life of an MMO.  But just like us, MMO's can always be created again, newer, maybe even better than before.  Sure, like us, it won't be the same MMO, but it will still be an MMO. 

So is goldfarming really the cancer that we think it is?  Or is it the cure that allows so many player, who may not have the time, IQ, or balls to play alongside certain fanatical monstrosities who exist in almost every game?

Share your thoughts. (I'm at work, can you tell?)

  DamonVile

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5/24/13 4:02:09 AM#2

Companies don't really "farm" gold anymore. They hack/steal accounts and move money that way.  There's no bot account to be banned and no way to really stop them.

People who think they're making an honest transaction with a legit business are just fooling themselves. That gold you're buying was stolen from someone. But something to consider.... when you go out and buy gold from these people you're putting yourself on their radar. They now know your account name and they know you have money.

  Scalpless

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5/24/13 4:08:02 AM#3
I wouldn't mind people buying gold from some less fortunate Chinese guys, but I do mind all the account-stealing and other criminal activities gold seller companies usually participate in.
  LoverNoFighter

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5/24/13 4:20:52 AM#4

Goldfarming is a very much welcomed business for me.

I don't have the luxury of sitting in front of the pc 24/7 like some of the kids, unemployed, welfare leechers etc. I gotta go to work and I also have a life when I get home. So for me, the possibility of aquiring gold/credits through a swipe of my VISA card, is just wonderful.

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  Abye

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5/24/13 4:29:40 AM#5
Goldfarming is a symptom. Mindless timesinks with tradeable rewards attract businessmakers that have access to cheap RL labour.
  WhiteLantern

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5/24/13 4:29:51 AM#6
This site gets its fair share of analogies, but this one takes the pie.

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  asdar

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5/24/13 4:31:28 AM#7

I've got no problem with gold farming that's a player getting lots of gold and selling it or with people who buy gold.

I do have a problem with bots, because they take over content, and I do have a problem with account stealing.

Asdar

  ZombieKen

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5/24/13 4:38:23 AM#8

With item shop transactions being the new norm, I see little reason for dev/publishers to not sell gold (or items that can be sold for gold).

 

I'd rather support the game than some hack who steals accounts.

 

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  Scot

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5/24/13 7:20:39 AM#9

Indeed gold farmers are not the problem they once were, the cash shop is now the gold farmer. It is an inside job these days, where thousands of Chinese gold farmers got replaced my the gaming companies financial manager. I guess it is keeping EU jobs in the EU and US jobs in the US so its win win!

  TheLizardbones

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5/24/13 8:55:14 AM#10


Originally posted by jesad
You know, a lot of things in nature tend to repeat themselves and goldfarming is a lot like that also.  Everything has a parasite that also lives off of the life that it is connected to.  Dogs have fleas, cows have flies, deer have ticks, just about everyone has maggots, and the list goes on.  It's the circle of life actually.  Not to go too deep on you guys but, we are born full of life and all clean and stuff, and as we age different things attach themselves to us until ultimately we are consumed with disease and we perish.  Such is also the life of an MMO.  But just like us, MMO's can always be created again, newer, maybe even better than before.  Sure, like us, it won't be the same MMO, but it will still be an MMO. 

So is goldfarming really the cancer that we think it is?  Or is it the cure that allows so many player, who may not have the time, IQ, or balls to play alongside certain fanatical monstrosities who exist in almost every game?

Share your thoughts. (I'm at work, can you tell?)




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Getting pooped on when you're a defenseless baby is better than having a tapeworm at any point in your life. If gold farmers are tapeworms, then getting pooped on as a defenseless baby is better than gold farmers.

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  Blackaddera

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5/24/13 9:05:41 AM#11

Sorry to dissapoint you mate but alot of gamers have jobs aswell and have tons of gold without going to goldsellers. How they look at the market and sell what there is demand for. Goldsellers are a pest on the game economy and going to them is actually admitting defeat and showing you have no grasp of how the game works.

 

Good luck to ya.

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  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

5/24/13 11:35:30 AM#12
Design the game to include the gold farmers if you can't get rid of them.  I have not seen a game yet that knows how to get rid of gold farmers without highly inconveniencing the players.  So make a trade AH for goldfarmers and players alike can trade game gold for irl cash.  MORE IMPORTANT - get rid of personal stalls and limit the auction house to no more than 3 digits so no one can sell anything for more than $999.  
  SavageHorizon

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5/24/13 11:46:40 AM#13
Originally posted by jesad

You know, a lot of things in nature tend to repeat themselves and goldfarming is a lot like that also.  Everything has a parasite that also lives off of the life that it is connected to.  Dogs have fleas, cows have flies, deer have ticks, just about everyone has maggots, and the list goes on.  It's the circle of life actually.  Not to go too deep on you guys but, we are born full of life and all clean and stuff, and as we age different things attach themselves to us until ultimately we are consumed with disease and we perish.  Such is also the life of an MMO.  But just like us, MMO's can always be created again, newer, maybe even better than before.  Sure, like us, it won't be the same MMO, but it will still be an MMO. 

So is goldfarming really the cancer that we think it is?  Or is it the cure that allows so many player, who may not have the time, IQ, or balls to play alongside certain fanatical monstrosities who exist in almost every game?

Share your thoughts. (I'm at work, can you tell?)

I couldn't give a feck to be honest, i just get on with my own game. Do people spend that much time worrying about thieves or criminals in real life, nope i just get on with mine lol.

I've farmed gold loads of times in MMO's, not to sell it but to keep it for when i need things.

EQ is a key example of having to farm gold and their is nothing wrong with it IMO.

To many freaking busy body's who need to worry about their own game instead of trying to police mmo's lol.

I have a very well paid job but i don't use gold farmers, i would rather farm for myself. If someone else uses them then that's their freaking business, i don't give a feck what others spend their own money on.

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  zymurgeist

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5/24/13 11:50:10 AM#14
Goldfarming for monetary gain is a manifestation of unconstrained capitalism. Gold buyers are the cancer. If a game is not fun for you do not play it. Don't buy gold in a misguided attempt to make it fun. It's stupidity squared.

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  Shadowguy64

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5/24/13 11:59:33 AM#15

Buying gold is like hiring someone to have sex with your wife so you can have a kid*...

 

 

*when you are both able to have kids

  Sagasaint

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5/24/13 12:00:45 PM#16

Im ok with goldfarming. people who use that services usually end up getting hacked by them

and when they complain they got hacked, the devs investigate the issue, find out the gold transaction, and ban them without restoring their accounts.

 

so a goldfarmer's customers ends up losing the money for the game, the money  for the gold, the items/gold after the hack, and finally the account itself

 

goldfarming work as a force of nature. it helps with natural selection. the idiots that use goldfarming services get hacked and banned, the smart ones that shy away from it get to play the game without them

  WW4BW

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5/24/13 12:10:00 PM#17
Originally posted by ZombieKen

With item shop transactions being the new norm, I see little reason for dev/publishers to not sell gold (or items that can be sold for gold).

 

I'd rather support the game than some hack who steals accounts.

 

 Admittedly, I haven't played a whole lot of free to play games with item malls. But the ones I have played have had the same gold seller spam as any other game.

 While I dont mind the idea of someone trading a month of play time for in game currency or vice versa, I start to have a problem with once it is done on a larger scale. I dont really like that someone can mess with the balance of power by spending the equivalent of years of subscription fees in one go.

 But I neither do I like it when a sports team buys all the biggest stars and basicly buy their way to victory instead of just augmenting their locally grown roster with a few stars. First of all I lose almost all attachment to my local team and it also loses its ties to the community. Next thing you know they are looking for a different city to host them.. That is if they dont go bankrupt.

 In both cases it detracts from the game. At least in my opinion.

  kedara

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5/24/13 12:47:22 PM#18
As has probably been stated many times. Every time you buy gold from third parties, you are stealing from the game company. That money could have fixed all those bugs you wanted fixed, but instead you chose to buy gold from some mindless hacker. It is the responsibility of the player to be on task and not deviate from the CONTRACT YOU [SIGNED] TO PLAY. You may as well have stolen the accounts yourself because you'd have done just as much damage that way as any other.
  maplestone

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5/24/13 12:56:44 PM#19
Originally posted by jesad

So is goldfarming really the cancer that we think it is?

Yes. 

I don't offer you an argument, I just assert it as an axiom.  The entire concept of an in-game economy only makes sense to me if it's an in-game economy.  Whenever someone puts real money into in-game resources, they are killing a small part of my game.

Just because, in any game one attempts to make, there will always people who don't care about the game and just want the stuff does not mean it will ever be a good thing to me in any form.  There are no cures, only different ways to manage the disease.

  kakasaki

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5/24/13 12:59:59 PM#20
I read the title and thought is said "Goldfarming, cancer cure". One of those WTF moments. Funny what not seeing a little or does to a title. 

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