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  baphamet

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Joined: 7/05/06
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5/23/13 11:09:50 AM#21


Originally posted by Karteli
This isn't a love thread or a hate thread.  Just a thread as it stands.

 


i lol'ed IRL

you aint gotta lie to kick it.

  baphamet

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Posts: 2613

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5/23/13 11:19:12 AM#22


Originally posted by superniceguy
2.1 certainly made subbers revolt. I looked at the official forums on the weekend and it was full of rage against the 2.1 update, with "EA lied to us" , "Cartel market being a RIPOFF", a bunch of threads complaining about the cartel market, and some threads of subbers having enough and quitting. Resulting in EA having to respond

Hey folks,I will just be as honest as I can here, it was a poor choice in wording on our part. I know that players have made decisions around whether to remain a subscriber based on those words which makes it all that much more sensitive. I apologize if you feel that you were misled by what we said in that blog. Since this blog I feel we have been more consistent in our messaging that you can expect things like cosmetic and convenience features (like Appearance Designer) are the types of things we usually place on the Cartel Market.It has always been our plan that as new content is released,(such as Flashpoints, Operations, in-game events, daily hubs, etc.) that subscribers will get access to these pieces of content. This is unlike a free-2-play player who will need to purchase access to that content. This is why we stated subscribers gained "unlimited" access to that content, because you get that as a part of your subscription.For Cartel Market items, you have access to purchase all of them, as do F2P players. What sets you folks apart is your monthly stipend which will allow you to purchase those features at no additional cost should you choose. I realize with your stipend, and with all the features we have, you may not be able to get it all at once but you can get it in time as a subscriber.With that being said we have definitely heard your frustrations around Game Updates and the value you feel as a subscriber. I don't have details today but we are continuing to look at options moving forward to make sure that you don't feel that way.-eric

 

The 2.1 update mainly negatively affects subbers - people are just getting fed up. Also those who can post are subbers

SWTOR is certainly in a very sad state, and Makeb was its last bright point.


a sad state as being one of the most popular and money making mmo's in the west lol

also, don't lump all subscribers into one entity, most actually didn't "revolt" and when i say most i mean the very vast majority did not.

just because some people are unhappy with the patch doesn't mean all are un happy.

the only thing about it that truly pisses me off is the fact that subscribers still need to purchase the cathar unlock, that is truly BS IMO

but hey that's EA for ya!

i still think its a decent mmo that many many people enjoy, even if you don't.

  Bjarka

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Joined: 1/14/09
Posts: 12

5/23/13 11:25:46 AM#23
Originally posted by superniceguy

Millions of happy FREE players, with unhappy subscribers.

I guess the non CM updates are not enough. With BW responding, the amount of cancellations must be huge, as people moan about the game plenty without them saying anything.

People who cancel may still play but not pay anything, but millions and millions of people playing for FREE and not spending enough will not keep the game running, but a few thousand subbers might but now they seem to be losing these.

SWTOR has just under 500 000 SUBSCRIBERS! Not just a few thousands...

The action in the starter areas suggest a constant influx of players oc old players lvl new toons - action anyhow.

SWTOR are doing fine...a 1000 subscribers who un-sub isn't the end of the game even if the ego of them would think so. :P

 

Lots of F2P-players spend money on cartel coins and I bet a lot of them transition from F2P to being subscribers.

 

The doom-talk about SWTOR has been consistent since launch (True, the lost a lot of subscribers and went F2P) - but the game i sthiving sub-wise and player-wise.

 

 

  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
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5/23/13 11:48:17 AM#24
Well in the mind of someone normal, 500,000 subs is doing pretty good

In the mind of an EA exec who thought they were going to make the new wow, its a failure.
  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  5/23/13 12:00:33 PM#25
Originally posted by Bjarka
Originally posted by superniceguy

Millions of happy FREE players, with unhappy subscribers.

I guess the non CM updates are not enough. With BW responding, the amount of cancellations must be huge, as people moan about the game plenty without them saying anything.

People who cancel may still play but not pay anything, but millions and millions of people playing for FREE and not spending enough will not keep the game running, but a few thousand subbers might but now they seem to be losing these.

SWTOR has just under 500 000 SUBSCRIBERS! Not just a few thousands...

The action in the starter areas suggest a constant influx of players oc old players lvl new toons - action anyhow.

SWTOR are doing fine...a 1000 subscribers who un-sub isn't the end of the game even if the ego of them would think so. :P

 

Lots of F2P-players spend money on cartel coins and I bet a lot of them transition from F2P to being subscribers.

 

The doom-talk about SWTOR has been consistent since launch (True, the lost a lot of subscribers and went F2P) - but the game i sthiving sub-wise and player-wise.

Just under 500k sounds better than less than 500k, but more than zero.

 

When EA used that massive range of 500k-1M in their earlier earnings call last year, some white knighters flocked to the high end of the spectrum too, neglecting the possibility that it had just above 500k and nowhere near 1 million.

 

Without hard numbers being released, 50k subscribers is just as likely as 400k.  EA is a master of manipulation though.

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
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  Darklighter1

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Posts: 264

5/23/13 12:15:37 PM#26
Originally posted by Karteli

This isn't a love thread or a hate thread.  Just a thread as it stands.

 

Patch 2.1 just hit, and .. oh! What a whopper that was.

 

Cash shop items galore.  Even a new race, the Cathar.  Plus so many extra's!

 

SWTOR seems like it is somewhat losing luster amongst fans.

 

If I were to say one thing that SWTOR had other games didn't, it was class stories, but even MaKeb FUBARED that up.

 

Cartel Market!  Oh what a blessing to the Star Wars Universe!

 

Great game, it's F2P !!

 

 

LOL idiotic posts like this is why I rarely frequent this site anymore.  What are you....12?  The title alone is just pathetic.  Give this a try....if you don't like the game, DON'T PLAY IT.  Also, try to refrain going on a website and throwing a tantrum....although your tears ARE rather tasty....

  rojoArcueid

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Joined: 8/13/09
Posts: 5156

"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

5/23/13 12:23:29 PM#27
Star Wars: The cash shop republic.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  gervaise1

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Joined: 1/17/07
Posts: 1184

5/23/13 1:27:08 PM#28

Yes, yes they announced just under 500k subs but that doesn't mean SWTOR is doing fine. To me it says that sales of Makeb were respectable.

Think of Makeb as $25 with 30 days included time however and what you get is a game with less than 200k subscribers pre-Makeb and shrinking F2P activity - because that is what happens to F2P games. 

Now if EA announce another 500k subscriber number - at the end of May, or in June or during their next quarterly results - that would be good. Until then 500k is the new 1.7M - many of whom are in their 30 days included.

 

IF EA were serious about supporting SWTOR then they would have put money behind it. We would know that:: 

2.2 in QA, testing and any final coding.

2.3 would have been announced and would be in coding, final artwork and initial testing.

2.4 would have been announced and would be in script writing, story boarding, initial art-work and maybe initial coding.

2.5 would have been mentioned and would be in outline development.

etc.

This is what other companies do. SoE with SWG is just one example. The developers maintain a narrative with the playerbase.

EA's utterances at the moment almost sound like they should start with the words: "if the game doesn't close tomorrow".

 

  Bjarka

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Joined: 1/14/09
Posts: 12

5/23/13 2:30:40 PM#29
Originally posted by gervaise1

Yes, yes they announced just under 500k subs but that doesn't mean SWTOR is doing fine. To me it says that sales of Makeb were respectable.

Think of Makeb as $25 with 30 days included time however and what you get is a game with less than 200k subscribers pre-Makeb and shrinking F2P activity - because that is what happens to F2P games. 

Now if EA announce another 500k subscriber number - at the end of May, or in June or during their next quarterly results - that would be good. Until then 500k is the new 1.7M - many of whom are in their 30 days included.

 

IF EA were serious about supporting SWTOR then they would have put money behind it. We would know that:: 

2.2 in QA, testing and any final coding.

2.3 would have been announced and would be in coding, final artwork and initial testing.

2.4 would have been announced and would be in script writing, story boarding, initial art-work and maybe initial coding.

2.5 would have been mentioned and would be in outline development.

etc.

This is what other companies do. SoE with SWG is just one example. The developers maintain a narrative with the playerbase.

EA's utterances at the moment almost sound like they should start with the words: "if the game doesn't close tomorrow".

 

Regarding part one of your statement: We will just have to wait and see won't we? But other than that - I think the game is doing quite well.

Regarding part two: They have given the date of june 11 as the date for Game Update 2.2. They also said that this Game Update is CONTENT ONLY, no Cartel market stuff.

 

  CrazKanuk

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Joined: 10/06/09
Posts: 842

5/23/13 2:38:14 PM#30
Originally posted by simplius

and it doesnt help them , that STO have actually delivered on some of their promises

their expansion is quite enjoyable,,and really FREE

 

 

Ummmmmm, no you didn't! Did you really just say SWTOR == STO? Like SW Fans == ST Fans? Wow! I don't know if there are two separate yet equally hateful groups of fans of one another. I'm in such disbelief that I don't even know if that last sentence made any sense. You may as well have said, "It's ok if Religion A doesn't have a church in your area, just go to Religion B's church, they're all the same." 

 

Just sayin.....

 

Crazkanuk

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  baphamet

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5/23/13 3:27:41 PM#31


Originally posted by ShakyMo
Well in the mind of someone normal, 500,000 subs is doing pretty goodIn the mind of an EA exec who thought they were going to make the new wow, its a failure.

true but who gives a shit how much money EA makes? i know i sure as hell don't.

you also have to remember that SWTOR makes a lot of cash from their cartel market as well, not just from subs alone.

people (like me) enjoy SWTOR for what it is. if i wasn't such a fan of alt making and the stories, i may not play it at all.

it at the very least gives me something to play while waiting for TESO and EQN :)

  baphamet

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5/23/13 3:33:39 PM#32


Originally posted by gervaise1
Yes, yes they announced just under 500k subs but that doesn't mean SWTOR is doing fine. To me it says that sales of Makeb were respectable.

Think of Makeb as $25 with 30 days included time however and what you get is a game with less than 200k subscribers pre-Makeb and shrinking F2P activity - because that is what happens to F2P games. 

Now if EA announce another 500k subscriber number - at the end of May, or in June or during their next quarterly results - that would be good. Until then 500k is the new 1.7M - many of whom are in their 30 days included.

 

IF EA were serious about supporting SWTOR then they would have put money behind it. We would know that:: 

2.2 in QA, testing and any final coding.

2.3 would have been announced and would be in coding, final artwork and initial testing.

2.4 would have been announced and would be in script writing, story boarding, initial art-work and maybe initial coding.

2.5 would have been mentioned and would be in outline development.

etc.

This is what other companies do. SoE with SWG is just one example. The developers maintain a narrative with the playerbase.

EA's utterances at the moment almost sound like they should start with the words: "if the game doesn't close tomorrow".

 


compared to other mmo's not named wow it is doing just fine.

whats funny to me is when people that are so worried about how much money they are making from subs almost always ignore the amount of money they make with the cartel market, which is A LOT.

love it or hate it this game is making money and not going anywhere any time soon.

i can see TESO possibly putting a serious hurting on it though when it launches.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

5/23/13 3:46:36 PM#33
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by superniceguy
2.1 certainly made subbers revolt. I looked at the official forums on the weekend and it was full of rage against the 2.1 update, with "EA lied to us" , "Cartel market being a RIPOFF", a bunch of threads complaining about the cartel market, and some threads of subbers having enough and quitting. Resulting in EA having to respond

 

Hey folks,I will just be as honest as I can here, it was a poor choice in wording on our part. I know that players have made decisions around whether to remain a subscriber based on those words which makes it all that much more sensitive. I apologize if you feel that you were misled by what we said in that blog. Since this blog I feel we have been more consistent in our messaging that you can expect things like cosmetic and convenience features (like Appearance Designer) are the types of things we usually place on the Cartel Market.It has always been our plan that as new content is released,(such as Flashpoints, Operations, in-game events, daily hubs, etc.) that subscribers will get access to these pieces of content. This is unlike a free-2-play player who will need to purchase access to that content. This is why we stated subscribers gained "unlimited" access to that content, because you get that as a part of your subscription.For Cartel Market items, you have access to purchase all of them, as do F2P players. What sets you folks apart is your monthly stipend which will allow you to purchase those features at no additional cost should you choose. I realize with your stipend, and with all the features we have, you may not be able to get it all at once but you can get it in time as a subscriber.With that being said we have definitely heard your frustrations around Game Updates and the value you feel as a subscriber. I don't have details today but we are continuing to look at options moving forward to make sure that you don't feel that way.-eric

 

The 2.1 update mainly negatively affects subbers - people are just getting fed up. Also those who can post are subbers

SWTOR is certainly in a very sad state, and Makeb was its last bright point.


 

a sad state as being one of the most popular and money making mmo's in the west lol

also, don't lump all subscribers into one entity, most actually didn't "revolt" and when i say most i mean the very vast majority did not.

just because some people are unhappy with the patch doesn't mean all are un happy.

the only thing about it that truly pisses me off is the fact that subscribers still need to purchase the cathar unlock, that is truly BS IMO

but hey that's EA for ya!

i still think its a decent mmo that many many people enjoy, even if you don't.

If it was just me, then I do not see BW making this statement, just for me, or a few unhappy subbers. No, they could see the many many complaints, and the rise in cancellations.

The game was better before F2P, and the Cartel Market. Take away the CM and it was somewhat respectable, now it is just a farce.

If the Cathar unlock annoys you, imagine what it does to those not so deeply involved with the game?

Like I said, people may still carry on even if they unsub, by not spending one more penny on the game.

  simplius

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5/23/13 6:36:47 PM#34
Originally posted by CrazKanuk
Originally posted by simplius

and it doesnt help them , that STO have actually delivered on some of their promises

their expansion is quite enjoyable,,and really FREE

 

 

Ummmmmm, no you didn't! Did you really just say SWTOR == STO? Like SW Fans == ST Fans? Wow! I don't know if there are two separate yet equally hateful groups of fans of one another. I'm in such disbelief that I don't even know if that last sentence made any sense. You may as well have said, "It's ok if Religion A doesn't have a church in your area, just go to Religion B's church, they're all the same." 

 

Just sayin.....

 

this is about games,,not religion, but i know its hard for some people to spot the difference

i like both IPs, , if you dont, then nobody is forcing you to

and just for the record: you dont need ANY churches, or whatever, to practice a religion

all you need is yourself, and some time to spend on it

  simplius

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Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 978

5/23/13 6:51:47 PM#35
Originally posted by JerYnkFan
Yay another SWTOR sucks thread!  While I agree that some of the F2P restrictions are awful, do we really need another one of these TOR is dying, EA is horrible threads?

yes we do , the customer is king

soon, we have gathered enough haters to start our own country

as Mussolini started the march to rome, we shall march to bioware ,Austin

and 1.5 mio angry star wars fans is no joke,,EAware is realizing that now

  winter

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Joined: 8/08/03
Posts: 2230

5/23/13 6:57:54 PM#36
Originally posted by sexypanda198
Time for disney to make star wars galaxies 2. Pre-cu sandbox like mmo with modern graphics that don't look like cartoon/cell shade. more like guild wars or something.

  i doubt that will happen.

 While many people have great memories of SWG pre-NGE the truth is the game was bleeding subs ner the end there.

 Not to defend SW:Tor or Bioware/EA as i have to admit their F2P model is not what it could/should bebut  the truth is NOTHING is really free. The money to make, and maintain the game has to come from somewhere.

  winter

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Posts: 2230

5/23/13 6:59:54 PM#37
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by CrazKanuk
Originally posted by simplius

and it doesnt help them , that STO have actually delivered on some of their promises

their expansion is quite enjoyable,,and really FREE

 

 

Ummmmmm, no you didn't! Did you really just say SWTOR == STO? Like SW Fans == ST Fans? Wow! I don't know if there are two separate yet equally hateful groups of fans of one another. I'm in such disbelief that I don't even know if that last sentence made any sense. You may as well have said, "It's ok if Religion A doesn't have a church in your area, just go to Religion B's church, they're all the same." 

 

Just sayin.....

 

this is about games,,not religion, but i know its hard for some people to spot the difference

i like both IPs, , if you dont, then nobody is forcing you to

and just for the record: you dont need ANY churches, or whatever, to practice a religion

all you need is yourself, and some time to spend on it

  Well said!

  Tokken

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Joined: 3/06/04
Posts: 867

"Game making is a business not a charity."

5/23/13 7:00:08 PM#38


Originally posted by DamonVile
Yeah things look pretty grim over there. Subs are up and they're making more money now than at launch. It's probably time they started looking for new jobs.

Well said. I am enjoying the game again.

  whisperwynd

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Joined: 2/22/06
Posts: 1339

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the priviledge to do so as well.

5/23/13 7:01:09 PM#39

Ahh, now this brings me back to my youth when arguments would break out at school when faced with this quandary:

Star Wars vs. Star Trek  

  Chrisbox

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Joined: 7/15/10
Posts: 1442

5/23/13 7:02:19 PM#40
EA, in the shitter.  

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