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  flizzer

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OP  5/22/13 6:59:53 PM#1
Whether it is GW2 or now Neverwinter, I just can't seem to get anywhere in PvP.  Now I'm willing to accept I am just not skilled enough and I will never do well in PvP, but I am also wondering if I am just too old and slow at this point.  The PvP in these games just seem to demand fast reaction times that I don't have.  Maybe it is a bad ping which I hear people talking about, not sure.  Im in my mid 40s and far from in a rocking chair, but I am beginning to feel there is no way I can keep up with these more action oriented games in the PvP department.  Okay, now tell me you are in your 70s and routinely take on 18yr olds and make me feel even worse, lol.   
  asrlohz

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Alea iacta est, beloved Doomsayers.

5/22/13 7:09:12 PM#2

I doubt that it has to do with your age, although if you are playing after a long workday your performance will decrease. And if you are playing with really low FPS or delay you will also have a harder time. I'm sure that GW2 is heavier on your FPS than WoW for example. Try playing something along the lines of League of Legends if you want to tighten your reaction time. And if you are purely looking for PvP you could try Guns of Icarus Online which is actually one of the best lobby based PvP games I've played in a long time.

 

Also, I have to admit... Reading "lol" from a grown man is a bit cringeworthy unless one is in a game with little to no time to spend in chat. I do of course mean no offense by that.

  flizzer

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OP  5/22/13 7:12:05 PM#3
Originally posted by asrlohz

I doubt that it has to do with your age, although if you are playing after a long workday your performance will decrease. And if you are playing with really low FPS or delay you will also have a harder time. I'm sure that GW2 is heavier on your FPS than WoW for example. Try playing something along the lines of League of Legends if you want to tighten your reaction time. And if you are purely looking for PvP you could try Guns of Icarus Online which is actually one of the best lobby based PvP games I've played in a long time.

 

Also, I have to admit... Reading "lol" from a grown man is a bit cringeworthy unless one is in a game with little to no time to spend in chat. I do of course mean no offense by that.

When I first started seeing "lol" in chat, I felt the same way.  Without even realizing it, I have picked up so many bad habits from chat I'm ashamed to admit.   Thanks for bringing it to my attention at least. 

  asrlohz

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Alea iacta est, beloved Doomsayers.

5/22/13 7:17:58 PM#4
Originally posted by flizzer
Originally posted by asrlohz

I doubt that it has to do with your age, although if you are playing after a long workday your performance will decrease. And if you are playing with really low FPS or delay you will also have a harder time. I'm sure that GW2 is heavier on your FPS than WoW for example. Try playing something along the lines of League of Legends if you want to tighten your reaction time. And if you are purely looking for PvP you could try Guns of Icarus Online which is actually one of the best lobby based PvP games I've played in a long time.

 

Also, I have to admit... Reading "lol" from a grown man is a bit cringeworthy unless one is in a game with little to no time to spend in chat. I do of course mean no offense by that.

When I first started seeing "lol" in chat, I felt the same way.  Without even realizing it, I have picked up so many bad habits from chat I'm ashamed to admit.   Thanks for bringing it to my attention at least. 

Doesn't quite matter. I'm one of the few whom are still bothered by it. Bit pointless out of me to even comment on it. But back to the topic; as you grow older you have less time to allocate on such activities, hence you will of course be less in touch with the new mechanics than people whom practise them daily. I still recommend purely PvP games in your case. Easy to pick up, much to learn and satisfying mechanics.

  DamonVile

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5/22/13 7:20:33 PM#5

battle ground pvp is more about time than skill. Even the biggest mouth breathing retard can get all the gear if they put in enough time.

Good really doesn't enter into that part of pvp.

I've found as I get older I like mmo pvp less and less. When I want my pvp fix I look more towards lol or wot or some other type of fps/moba game.

  Scottgun

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5/22/13 7:22:42 PM#6
Not an physical age thing, but as another mentioned, adults simply don't have the kind of free time needed to be an ace.

Now we're calling prostitutes "sex workers". What's next? Calling hit men "end-of-life technicians"?

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/22/13 7:23:51 PM#7
Originally posted by flizzer
Whether it is GW2 or now Neverwinter, I just can't seem to get anywhere in PvP.  Now I'm willing to accept I am just not skilled enough and I will never do well in PvP, but I am also wondering if I am just too old and slow at this point.  The PvP in these games just seem to demand fast reaction times that I don't have.  Maybe it is a bad ping which I hear people talking about, not sure.  Im in my mid 40s and far from in a rocking chair, but I am beginning to feel there is no way I can keep up with these more action oriented games in the PvP department.  Okay, now tell me you are in your 70s and routinely take on 18yr olds and make me feel even worse, lol.   

I'm 25. I could never pvp.

 

I could do ok in shooters but MMO pvp I could never do.

 

eve's 1 v 1 is slow enough that you can think about your actions carefully...which leads to "do I orbit closer? do my weapons track better than his ? maybe i should pick some distance and outrange his optimal. what are those, hybrid guns? i got lasers. he tracks better...I should stay close. Approach? or orbit ? "

 

and thn you realise you're at 50% armor and he's at 20% shield.

 

"my weapons do more dmg against armor. once I get past i should be ahead. or am I too far behind ? maybe i should disengage. can i outrun him ? can I get out of his point ?"

 

then you're dead with hi at 30% armor.

 

"oh crap I never used overload. I'm a retard. "

 

that's me in 1 v 1.

 

 

  Ujirik

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5/22/13 7:28:34 PM#8
You just have to spend a lot of time playing.  Those guys that are stomping you in Guild Wars 2 have probably spent thousands of hours on PvP in games with similar combat systems.  It's usually the same story for just about any competitive game.

  Tamanous

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5/22/13 7:30:29 PM#9

Reaction time takes practice to maintain. I am 41 and my reaction time is a good at it ever was but I continue to play real sports and the odd game. I am a retired (from serious competition that is) athlete so I am sure my hand eye coordination is superior to the average but realize it will likely get slower than faster at this point in my life.

 

Point is, if you didn't have good reaction time/skill when you were young you likely won't have it when old either. 40-50 can still be relative prime time in one's life if you keep healthy and practice fundamental skills.  The real issue is that people tend to stop practicing the basics (be it sports or video games) or playing as much as they used to. Of course you get slower and out of practice. 

 

I don't believe it when people say "I don't have time for that anymore!". That is a huge load of bullshit. People judge me all the time for being in great shape at my age and still playing sports (typically volleyball and mma currently) and think I have all the time in the world. I only require about 5 hours of active exercise a week to keep in prime shape (the rest is lifestyle choices). Most people waste more time watching TV or playing video games.

 

My suggestion is (if you were once good) practice and stop being a lazy ass unless you truly have no interest in it anymore. Hand/eye coordination translates over anything you do. You don't have to play video games to be good at video games. You can go out and train your body and mind doing other things and boost performance for everything across the board.

 

Also the secret to being great at something isn't reaction time. I have competed against better natural athletes than myself and defeated them. True skill comes from athletic intelligence which is more or less the same thing as video game intelligence. This is why many athletes get better with age or maintain their competitiveness past their physical prime. Smarter is often better than raw physical skill.

You stay sassy!

  ShakyMo

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5/22/13 7:31:49 PM#10
I'm in my 40s and loving it in ps2
  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/22/13 7:32:26 PM#11
Originally posted by Tamanous

I don't believe it when people say "I don't have time for that anymore!". That is a huge load of bullshit.

/salute

  Axeshun

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5/22/13 7:36:44 PM#12
Too many variables but I doubt age is the cause.  GW2 PvP isnt too gear based so its not time dedicated to grinding.  Maybe mmo bgs just arent your thing.  Were they before you were 40 something?
  madnos

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5/22/13 7:37:01 PM#13
Originally posted by Scottgun
Not an physical age thing, but as another mentioned, adults simply don't have the kind of free time needed to be an ace.

 I agree.

 But you know what , I still do it .  Win , lose , draw , Who cares . It"s a game . ..

  Bjelar

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5/22/13 7:39:52 PM#14
Originally posted by flizzer
Whether it is GW2 or now Neverwinter, I just can't seem to get anywhere in PvP.  Now I'm willing to accept I am just not skilled enough and I will never do well in PvP, but I am also wondering if I am just too old and slow at this point.  The PvP in these games just seem to demand fast reaction times that I don't have.  Maybe it is a bad ping which I hear people talking about, not sure.  Im in my mid 40s and far from in a rocking chair, but I am beginning to feel there is no way I can keep up with these more action oriented games in the PvP department.  Okay, now tell me you are in your 70s and routinely take on 18yr olds and make me feel even worse, lol.   

 

Nah, I suck too, but if 200.000 players play, the 1000 best PvPers will certainly play PvP a lot.

If I'm more skilled than 99% of the player base, I will still not be among those 1000.

The problem is people think they are the bestest, and if they get their arses kicked, it must be because they are getting old or something. If not, they SHOULD be the bestest.

I'm more badass now than I ever was, but unfortunately I'm only better than 99%, which means thousands are better than me. The 99% doesn't PvP.

  BahamutKaiser

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On hiatus for a while guys, MMOs still aren't interesting me.

5/22/13 7:40:36 PM#15
It's more about how much time you put into it, WhiteRa is one of the best starcraft players in the world, and that's one of the most intense games you can play, don't know his age but casters are steady calling him old.

Kid gamers tend to have a surplus of time to abuse, practicing skill oriented games, or building powerful characters. In most MMOs though, its often just a character gap, skill fails to be a factor until your nearly the same in development.

Beyond that, the combat behavior may be a little too uncomfortable for your enjoyment, I never really tried hard on starcraft and warcraft as it would hurt my eyes, head, and hand to perform well. One of the world's best players had to take a break due to medical problems, not all these games are designed with comfortable input in mind...

I wouldn't sweat it, if you really wanna PvP, just do some studying, most battles are won before they start, IRL and in video games, the player who prepares and practices more has already won. Age is a long way from being a significant factor.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes.
That way, if they get angry, they'll be a mile away... and barefoot.

  Axeshun

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5/22/13 7:42:03 PM#16
Originally posted by Tamanous

Reaction time takes practice to maintain. I am 41 and my reaction time is a good at it ever was but I continue to play real sports and the odd game. I am a retired (from serious competition that is) athlete so I am sure my hand eye coordination is superior to the average but realize it will likely get slower than faster at this point in my life.

 

Point is, if you didn't have good reaction time/skill when you were young you likely won't have it when old either. 40-50 can still be relative prime time in one's life if you keep healthy and practice fundamental skills.  The real issue is that people tend to stop practicing the basics (be it sports or video games) or playing as much as they used to. Of course you get slower and out of practice. 

 

I don't believe it when people say "I don't have time for that anymore!". That is a huge load of bullshit. People judge me all the time for being in great shape at my age and still playing sports (typically volleyball and mma currently) and think I have all the time in the world. I only require about 5 hours of active exercise a week to keep in prime shape (the rest is lifestyle choices). Most people waste more time watching TV or playing video games.

 

My suggestion is (if you were once good) practice and stop being a lazy ass unless you truly have no interest in it anymore. Hand/eye coordination translates over anything you do. You don't have to play video games to be good at video games. You can go out and train your body and mind doing other things and boost performance for everything across the board.

 

Also the secret to being great at something isn't reaction time. I have competed against better natural athletes than myself and defeated them. True skill comes from athletic intelligence which is more or less the same thing as video game intelligence. This is why many athletes get better with age or maintain their competitiveness past their physical prime. Smarter is often better than raw physical skill.

Playing video games is a waste of time but volleyball isnt? Alrighty then...

  ShakyMo

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5/22/13 7:43:35 PM#17
The other thing. Play a game where teamwork and communication and morale are important. Us old gits are better at that.
  Axehilt

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5/22/13 7:47:51 PM#18

Well if you're concerned about whether you "still got it", I'd start in skill-centric PVP games first.  (Not MMORPGs.)

Granted, GW2 may be one of the most level playing fields for MMORPG PVP (is it completely level?  Not sure, I didn't put too much time into PVP to know if it was truly a progression-free environment apart from the ~30 mins it takes to unlock each weapon combination's skills.)  So if there was any MMORPG truly indicative of player skill, GW2 might be it (or WOW arena tournaments where everyone has identical gear.)

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

5/22/13 7:52:54 PM#19

I am older and i do very well in real pvp games,example twitched based FPS games.Those games take a ton more skill than any rpg or MOBA so i would say age is not a factor.

 

There are so many reasons pvp in rpg's is so bad and it has nothing to do with you or the reason you might be struggling.Latency can be a factor ,packet loss works in dumbfounded ways.What i have noticed over the years is even 1% PL can make players invisible to you for a second,it can also make the game misread some of your damage,so it might only send half your damage to the server.

Examples they might have better gear or better stats /abilities from playing longer.The game might require too much keyboard skill which imo is a bad game design.A game might simply be very one dimensional that does not suit a "thinking" type player that likes to have various options to game play.If i made that part sound confusing an example would be a game that ONLY relies on aim and nothing else,that is one dimensional pvp and not worth the time of day but obviously some will be way better at that than others.

There can also be other reasons like perhaps you are just not playing a class that suits the way you think .

Other factors are soem games allow far too many add ons ,at times they can literally play a game for them,which again is shallow,imo add ons should only be designed by the developer.Your setup can be a fairly large factor example playing with a controller might be better than a keyboard or vice versa depending on yourself of course.GPU lag can really ruin your game.

One of the biggest factors that has been around for many years is cheating and that has many forms,i know them all and can usually spot one quickly.You would be surprised what kind of cheats are out there that can be near impossible to detect unless you are a veteran of your game.

A few examples are 

 1 SPEED cheats,they speed up your system and it gives you a timed advantage over others.

2 Lag cheats this is done by writing a small  script that forces lag making you flash across the screen and near impossible to detect where exactly you are.

3 POS cheats,players can use the game code settings to warp around various positions on a map that can include high in the sky or under the ground.

4 AIMBOTS there are so many versions it would make your head spin.Some or most include other cheats like wall hacks.Some can estimate latency to be more accurate some can only trigger when your crosshair is on target "trigger bot" many many more.

I'll stop there but you get the point,pvp has sooooo many reasons that can ruin the whole purpose  which is FUN.Thing is to not take it too serious because there many many reasons that can leave you handicapped and not realize it.

 

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  skyexile

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5/22/13 7:55:24 PM#20

At least you accept you might be bad, its the first step towards getting better. Most people never realise this...

also neverwinter PvP is terrible, so is GW2, there is skill in it no doubt, but thats through teamwork, and target priority, switching etc.. GW2 combat is mostly a button mash. Faceroll harder.

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