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5/20/13 5:58:49 AM#341

Skip that crap game Age of wushu and put in RIFT in that spot or even put it in nr 2.



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5/20/13 6:10:34 AM#342

As has been previously pointed out, Neverwinter is not a released game.

It is still Beta - you cannot arbitrarily pick and choose when you want to call this game soft launched, beta, fully launched etc.

If the company running the game states it's in Beta, then that is the description you have to go by.

Therefore it should not be on this list. 

And notwithstanding the above - it is an exploit filled, bug infested mess - but that's acceptable apparently - because this is Beta..........


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5/20/13 7:33:27 AM#343

This list is BS

neverwinter? age of wushu? SWTOR?

you gotta be kidding me


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5/20/13 7:45:31 AM#344
Originally posted by

Guild Wars 2 failed so much for original Guild Wars players especially in PvP as ArenaNet catered to the masses instead of their loyal fanbase. In the end I think they shot themselves in the foot. It's still a great MMO but not what most had hoped for regardless of updates.

I have to agree that it failed for original GW players but for me that has more to do with lack of customization.  In GW you could easily have a viable build that you saw no one else running, gw2 i feel tried to go away from their niche and please everyone with generic cookie cutter builds.  There is some talent points but they are relatively unimportant to game play and therefore don't count as specialization in my book.

I also felt the GW2 also went away from gw in terms of endgame content.  It took a long time to run out of content in gw1, especially given the rapid expansions.  I would much rather see all of this effort the arenanet has put into one time silly little events go towards new zones and story.


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5/20/13 7:49:34 AM#345

I wouldn't play any of the games on the list

GW2 the best ? 


It's another pve game.The WvW is an insult to any thinking adult...unless you think WAR is defined as who can score the most points in a 24/7 zerg frenzy. Such a disappointment.

And the crafting rivals the worst Asian grinders


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OP  5/20/13 7:53:50 AM#346
Originally posted by JudgeUK

As has been previously pointed out, Neverwinter is not a released game.

It is still Beta - you cannot arbitrarily pick and choose when you want to call this game soft launched, beta, fully launched etc.

If the company running the game states it's in Beta, then that is the description you have to go by.

Therefore it should not be on this list. 

And notwithstanding the above - it is an exploit filled, bug infested mess - but that's acceptable apparently - because this is Beta..........

Cryptic says it's in beta.  But no more wipes, and taking people's money means otherwise in our book.

As to the bugs and exploits?  Well, yeah. That's true. "Open Beta" is just a marketing protection term, and a cop-out.  It's released as far as we're concerned.


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5/20/13 7:59:18 AM#347
Originally posted by BillMurphy
Originally posted by JudgeUK

As has been previously pointed out, Neverwinter is not a released game.

It is still Beta - you cannot arbitrarily pick and choose when you want to call this game soft launched, beta, fully launched etc.

If the company running the game states it's in Beta, then that is the description you have to go by.

Therefore it should not be on this list. 

And notwithstanding the above - it is an exploit filled, bug infested mess - but that's acceptable apparently - because this is Beta..........

Cryptic says it's in beta.  But no more wipes, and taking people's money means otherwise in our book.

As to the bugs and exploits?  Well, yeah. That's true. "Open Beta" is just a marketing protection term, and a cop-out.  It's released as far as we're concerned.

I would have to agree.  Cryptic/PWE can call it whatever they want.  They are taking our money and promised no more wipes, although at this point that might actually be an improvement for the game.  This is a launch!  I would suggest it ranks so high on here because it is the exploiters favorite game at the moment. 


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5/20/13 8:28:48 AM#348
Most accurate comment on the board

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5/20/13 9:42:09 AM#349
SWTOR shouldn't be on there IMHO. Neverwinter should be at Number 1 despite the events of the last few days.

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5/21/13 5:16:44 AM#350

 Can't agree with SW: tor it was essentially a WoW clone but in space.  With the companion system you had less of a reason to group with people, so that blew any social interaction away beyond raiding or doing "dungeons" which you did not have to do unless you wanted loot. 

Neverwinter I just could not get into this game.  Guess being spoiled on GW2 and other games with actually dodge moves I just felt this one was lacking in a proper usage of that among other things wrong with it.

Personally I would of added in DC Universe, it has a good fan base yet and it still keeps up with a high population.  Though it's still a grind game, it has that comic book flare I love.

Secret World had a great story behind it, the quest stories as well.  Always an eerie feeling with it when playing.  Yet it was another grind game, but guess you can't really get around that if you want the best gear to survive encounters better.

Rift should of made the list as well least over SW


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5/21/13 11:28:14 AM#351

Is it just me or are only 3/7 actually games from 2013? Since the list seems to be open to just about any mmo ever released: -

WOW, GW1, AoC, DDO and any other random three to make up the rest of the list.  


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5/21/13 1:54:59 PM#352
Originally posted by MMOGamer1971

Star Wars: The Old Republic? No Rift or LOTRO?


How much was that check from EA?

None of those 3 MMOs are worth mentioning.


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5/21/13 2:02:21 PM#353
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
SWTOR shouldn't be on there IMHO. Neverwinter should be at Number 1 despite the events of the last few days.

Neverwinter number 1 mmo ? You made me almost sh** my pants really hard :D


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5/21/13 4:00:18 PM#354

While I agree with the ranking for almost all the games, you really need to break it down into categories for a best in class or genre rather than best overall, as rating MMO's this way is like saying what the best ice cream flavors are, its personal preference. With that said, my thoughts are:

Rift definitely should have been on there, especially over Darkfall.

WoW still tops the charts with subs so how is it not a best of?

Eve is a good game and very niche but definitely not best of, especially when basing it on CCP released population numbers. They always leave out the fact that EVE players have multiple accounts, and they count them all as unique. EVE grows because people start gathering so much ISK that they can afford new accounts every few months with the PLEX system. Take away PLEX and you'd see a huge decrease in sub numbers. 

SWTOR has made great strides and has a solid player base of subs mixed with free players so I can understand it being on the list.

GW2, WoW, SW:TOR, Neverwinter, TSW, RIFT, EVE would have been my top 7.


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5/21/13 5:14:24 PM#355

LoL at H8ers, your opinion is exactly that your opinion. My list is below.

1. SWToR (I like the additions to the game / The game I play the most).

2. Rift (still has the best raiding community out there).

3. GW2 (I have moderated my opinion somewhat).

4. TSW ( I really like a lot of the ideas, but the implementation is a little off)

5. WoW (Blizz still is the lion on the market / pvp is fun).

6. EQ2 (I still like the crafting and housing in this one).

7. AoC (PVP in AoC is still a lot of fun).


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5/21/13 5:39:39 PM#356
Originally posted by Brachus

Please stop complaining about games released prior to 2013 being on the list. If you take the time to read the intro:

"The list will include titles new to the industry this year, and past titles that have been doing “all the right stuff” so far... essentially it’ll be a recount of the games we think are hitting all the right notes in 2013."


My list would be:

3) Neverwinter

2) TSW

1) GW2


Lol it was driving me crazy wanting to scream out what you just mentioned about the fact that the games listed either released this year or within the last year or two.  While I've been out of the loop for most of this year it makes sense to me to include games that are a little older since there haven't been many games released this year (and certainly none that are that good) if games like any version of Darkfall,any cryptic game or the much hated SWTOR could make the list.


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5/21/13 6:02:59 PM#357

2013..i am assuming that this is "up to 2013" since eve is on there.

Listen, i don't play wow anymore but it  has more subs than all those games combined. These articles are becoming so incredibly biased it's not even worth reading them. 

rewrite the article to "my personal favorite mmos'" and call a spade a spade please.


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5/22/13 4:57:13 AM#358
Why people keep mentioning Neverwinter? Its not even half decent. Run through narrow corridors watching terrible animation, spam one button on easymode bosses which all do the same. Is it kind of gameplay todays gamers want?

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5/22/13 5:01:28 AM#359
Originally posted by Dullahan

Age of Wushu is a ray of hope in this list being the first real 3rd gen MMO.  Ironically, its everything veteran gamers have been wishing for since the UO/EQ/SB era, and no one even knows it exists.  People see kung fu and think another cheap asian grinder.  Except DF:UW, every other game in the list in comparison is just the same old MMO rewrapped with trivial additions, while wushu has open world pvp,  player driven world and economy (sandbox),  has unparalleled action based combat and offers more to do every day than you could accomplish if you sat at your computer from sun up to sun down.  The game is quality from graphics and gameplay, to the music and sound.  If you like immersion, theres plenty in AoW.

100% agreed. People think its another asian grinder. Truth is AoW is one of the best and most unique MMORPGs in recent years and easily can teach some lessons to games like Guild Wars 2 or Rift


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5/22/13 10:37:11 AM#360
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by BillMurphy
Man, if you guys like arguing about this one... I can't wait to see your reaction to next week's "Worst of 2013... So Far" list.

I think SW:TOR should be on that list.

 That would be awesome.  Though, I would hire a good lawyer otherwise you could get sued for the collective head explosions from those that love the game, and those that hate it (due to the fact that it is recognized as both worst and one of the best).

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