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  flizzer

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5/22/13 12:27:54 AM#21

Even though I didn't start gaming until around 2004, I was aware that Neverwinter had ability to create dungeons. No idea what the name was.  In fact, I briefly tried this game after buying from a Steam sale (or maybe it was GoG actually) and added it to my 100+ other games.  I remember the Neverwinter story not interesting me all that much and got through maybe half of the campaign before I gave up. Since my level of computer expertise is only a bit more advanced than opening a browser, I had no idea how to load mods and just gave up on ever doing that. I seem to remember my eyes glazing over when it started talking about putting things in certain files and moving them around and .... well....totally lost me......

 

Anyway,  using this user generated content in an MMO couldn't be easier!  even for someone like me.   I've done a number of them and found them creative and matching anything in game.  I'll probably log in just to play the Foundry at this point. 

  shadow9d9

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5/22/13 12:31:03 AM#22
Originally posted by Alverant
Originally posted by KingofHartz
I am happy because everytime this happens, more people are educated about cash shops and the destruction f2p causes, thus creating even more f2p haters. Play the game if you will, but don't spend one penny. As consumers it's our duty to keep them honest.

And who keeps the customers honest? I'd rather have games be subscription based too, but that's not what the market wants. If you have a better idea for how companies to make money while keeping players happy and loyal, please share it. Also tell us why you think you should have fun without considering giving something back?

The market is fine with subs(wow, eve).  They are just sick of bad wow clones.  

  winter

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5/22/13 12:35:23 AM#23
Originally posted by KingofHartz
I am happy because everytime this happens, more people are educated about cash shops and the destruction f2p causes, thus creating even more f2p haters. Play the game if you will, but don't spend one penny. As consumers it's our duty to keep them honest.

 Well at least your honest and upfront about your hate.

However your information maybe off a bit as Neverwinter is not a trainwreck. At least not anymore then any subscription or B2P game thats ever been released, as none have been perfect and bug free at launch. Its servers were just as full today as they were a week ago. The Economy at least currently isn't any worse then it was several weeks ago, and dispite what many haters still claim one does get loot and exp drops in foundry quests of fairly equal nature or more if you figure in AD rewards to other content.

  In the end Neverwinter is truely F2P as you can read any any number of articles on it. If one can't resist gambling on lockboxes thats not to the game forcing you to have them to get around in a decent manner or to open up quest areas or to equip items, or buy a UI (unlike many of the subscription F2P models ie SW:TOR, and EQ2) The cash shop really contains nothing that is needed to have fun and experience the entire game, thus your warning and hate seems more based off of the opinions of one that has never actually played the game. Neverwinter isn't for everyone that is true, no game is, but in this day where most subscription games that seem to just take ones money and give nothing in return (SW:TOR's first year was a good example of this IMO) Hating because ai game is F2P seems short sighted.

 

  Dreskest

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5/22/13 12:43:18 AM#24

ALERT !

 

Cheapskates detected on this thread lmao.

  winter

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5/22/13 12:48:24 AM#25
Originally posted by AtmaDarkwolf

As a MMO, it was a cash grab, plain and simple, everyone (Even those who hold stoutly to the idea that it is the next best thing and never to be beat) knows this.

 

As a GAME, its pretty good. I just think PWE ruined it. with thier horrible greed. :P

 Things in the cash shop are I guess in some area more expensive then things in the caash shops of B2P and subscription based games (GW2, WoW) but in those games you already have paid $60 or more just to try it. Sure that $25 mount in WoW looks cheap compared to Neverwinters $40 one but in the end you'll pay over $100 to play and use that mount for only 6 months more if you play longer. (game cost, and subscription cost, and mount cost compared to free download and play with cash shop mount cost)

 

  In the end theres nothing in the cash shop needed to play the game to the very end and have fun. Games are not made for free, game designers, and developers, graphic artist etc don't work for free. So Bills do need to be paid I expect your terming it greed is more due to your lack of understanding such things.

 By direct cost comparison games like WoW and GW2 are much greedier, as playing and buying a epic mount will cost you much more in them when you figure in total costs.

  MMOGamer71

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5/22/13 12:49:59 AM#26
Originally posted by Dreskest

ALERT !

 

Cheapskates detected on this thread lmao.

Brilliant !!!

  winter

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5/22/13 12:59:16 AM#27
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by krage

 

Personally I want the game to thrive just so other developers realize foundry and user generated content is the way to go.

Plus I don't understand why people are so butthurt about others exploiting, it will be fixed or lessened and it has no real bearing on your gameplay or free fun.

Oh?

 

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/08/neverwinter-counters-foundry-exploit-by-nerfing-xp-rate/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/20/neverwinter-returns-with-seven-hour-rollback-after-exploit/

 

Billions in possible revenue (see gold farmers) and XP exploits are not big possible "gamebreaking" items?

 

Brilliant !!!

  You really need to actually try the game rather then post outdate and incorrect info. There was a exploit where players were playing a foundry quest and gettting 2 lvls in 15 mins this has been long fixed. players get exp and loot from foundry quests just not 2 lvl s in 15 mins which made several exploiters upset, and caused some others who have little to no exp with the game to go with a knee jerk reaction that foundry quest no longer gave any or very little loot exp (anyone who actually has played a foundry quest recently knows this is incorrect)

   Yes there was a 7 hour roll back from a exploit. the exploiters have been banned, Cryptic is further checking into the exploiters activity to make sure things are fixed. The economy today is no worse then it was at game release and in All Cryptic did well in punishing the exploiters rather then the entire player base. Games like WoW and EQ have had bigger exploits with much larger roll backs, they went on to do fine and we don't see you rally against them.

 

  Icewhite

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5/22/13 1:05:40 AM#28
Originally posted by KingofHartz
I am happy because everytime this happens

 

Wanna buy a t-shirt? We may have it in your size.

 

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  MMOGamer71

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5/22/13 1:06:51 AM#29
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by krage

 

Personally I want the game to thrive just so other developers realize foundry and user generated content is the way to go.

Plus I don't understand why people are so butthurt about others exploiting, it will be fixed or lessened and it has no real bearing on your gameplay or free fun.

Oh?

 

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/08/neverwinter-counters-foundry-exploit-by-nerfing-xp-rate/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/20/neverwinter-returns-with-seven-hour-rollback-after-exploit/

 

Billions in possible revenue (see gold farmers) and XP exploits are not big possible "gamebreaking" items?

 

Brilliant !!!

  You really need to actually try the game rather then post outdate and incorrect info. There was a exploit where players were playing a foundry quest and gettting 2 lvls in 15 mins this has been long fixed. players get exp and loot from foundry quests just not 2 lvl s in 15 mins which made several exploiters upset, and caused some others who have little to no exp with the game to go with a knee jerk reaction that foundry quest no longer gave any or very little loot exp (anyone who actually has played a foundry quest recently knows this is incorrect)

   Yes there was a 7 hour roll back from a exploit. the exploiters have been banned, Cryptic is further checking into the exploiters activity to make sure things are fixed. The economy today is no worse then it was at game release and in All Cryptic did well in punishing the exploiters rather then the entire player base. Games like WoW and EQ have had bigger exploits with much larger roll backs, they went on to do fine and we don't see you rally against them.

 

So Massively got it wrong and you are a "more correct" source of information? 

 

I (Massively) got it wrong, yet your second sentence has the word "EXPLOIT" in it ..........................................amazing !!!

  Wraithone

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5/22/13 1:11:03 AM#30
Originally posted by KingofHartz
I am happy because everytime this happens, more people are educated about cash shops and the destruction f2p causes, thus creating even more f2p haters. Play the game if you will, but don't spend one penny. As consumers it's our duty to keep them honest.

Train wreck? In your dreams. I've been having quite a bit of fun with the game.  I'm quite enjoying the combat system (level 47 GWF and level 12 TR).  The graphics aren't bleeding edge, but then they don't need to be, to be entertaining.  I have no problem with cash shops, the games Dev's need to make money in some fashion. I also believe in supporting games I enjoy.

  IMPYRE

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5/22/13 1:18:24 AM#31

Neverwinter Online isn't such a bad game as everyone makes it out to be, its actually quite enjoyable to me (different strokes for different folks), however my only gripe is server stability. Apparently their 2 other MMO's (STO and CO) are feeling the pain with their servers literally coming down every 2 or 3 days for some quick maintenance as well as NwN.

On the subject of the exploiters.

People will always look for exploits to get ahead in any new mmo game and they hope to go unnoticed or blame the games mechanic for allowing them to do it in the 1st place. I am glad that they banned these assholes. Alot of innocent players were victims because of this shit.

 

  Asm0deus

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5/22/13 1:23:41 AM#32
Originally posted by JR4D

Neverwinter Online isn't such a bad game as everyone makes it out to be, its actually quite enjoyable to me (different strokes for different folks), however my only gripe is server stability. Apparently their 2 other MMO's (STO and CO) are feeling the pain with their servers literally coming down every 2 or 3 days for some quick maintenance as well as NwN.

On the subject of the exploiters.

People will always look for exploits to get ahead in any new mmo game and they hope to go unnoticed or blame the games mechanic for allowing them to do it in the 1st place. I am glad that they banned these assholes. Alot of innocent players were victims because of this shit.

 

It's a fun game but it's plagued by numerous problems, crappy grouping system, bad design choices, AD/AH problems, client side hacks for unlimited stamina etc etc.

 

 

 

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  sexypanda198

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5/22/13 1:32:46 AM#33
I can understand you disgust with F2P cash games but why neverwinter man i mean some of us want to see our D&D succeed. If you said this about some mmo like say Heroes of the dead "yes it's made up" then i'd be all supportive.

  Rabenwolf

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5/22/13 1:58:40 AM#34
Originally posted by sexypanda198
I can understand you disgust with F2P cash games but why neverwinter man i mean some of us want to see our D&D succeed. If you said this about some mmo like say Heroes of the dead "yes it's made up" then i'd be all supportive.

Are you kidding? This is an insult to D&D, by wishing this crap to do well, you set the standard for future D&D games.
Whats more amazing is that Cryptic even got the license to make a D&D game to begin with.

It is clear that those who designed the game either lack talent or funding because Neverwinter is a joke in every sense of the word. I am a huge D&D fan and this ...whatever it is, is not D&D. Its another cryptic pos using a known name/brand to sell an under developed shoddy game. Thats their strategy.

  JimmyYO

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5/22/13 2:05:49 AM#35
Originally posted by KingofHartz
I am happy because everytime this happens, more people are educated about cash shops and the destruction f2p causes, thus creating even more f2p haters. Play the game if you will, but don't spend one penny. As consumers it's our duty to keep them honest.

I'm also glad it's a train wreck because it took a dump on both the Neverwinter Nights Series and D&D simultaneously. It deserves every ounce of failure it will inevitably get.

  Torvaldr

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5/22/13 2:19:51 AM#36
Funny the OP should say that.  I'm on Mindflayer and we were having a good time laughing at the butthurt and the banned.  Lots of people were playing and chat was fun.  If that's trainwreck, sign me up.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Muke

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5/22/13 4:05:50 AM#37
Originally posted by Gravarg
it's a trainwreck?  I hadn't noticed...I must be a coma dreaming from the wreck!

That game is still in beta, but apparently ppl like the OP are plunging their money already in the cashshops.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  bcartfall

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5/22/13 4:09:07 AM#38
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Gravarg
it's a trainwreck?  I hadn't noticed...I must be a coma dreaming from the wreck!

That game is still in beta, but apparently ppl like the OP are plunging their money already in the cashshops.

According to the PWE website it's Live + I suggest you read the article released very, very recently about open beta being a shill for a soft launch anyway [with most companies]. If they're not planning/saying they won't wipe, it's not a beta.

  tawess

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5/22/13 4:11:08 AM#39
Originally posted by KingofHartz
I am happy because everytime this happens, more people are educated about cash shops and the destruction f2p causes, thus creating even more f2p haters. Play the game if you will, but don't spend one penny. As consumers it's our duty to keep them honest.

 

Apart from the recent exploit (that in no way really had anything to do with the f2p model or cash shops...) i'd say NW is doing very well, there are always a good amount of players online no matter when i log on and the chat is always full of conversation... Not always intelligent conversation but still.

 

Trainwreck.. Far from it.

 

 

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  Muke

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5/22/13 4:14:50 AM#40
Originally posted by bcartfall
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Gravarg
it's a trainwreck?  I hadn't noticed...I must be a coma dreaming from the wreck!

That game is still in beta, but apparently ppl like the OP are plunging their money already in the cashshops.

According to the PWE website it's Live + I suggest you read the article released very, very recently about open beta being a shill for a soft launch anyway [with most companies]. If they're not planning/saying they won't wipe, it's not a beta.

I go to the official site, it says:  "join the open beta".

So I take their word for it that it is in beta.

 

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

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