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  zepoxi

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Joined: 5/13/13
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5/17/13 3:24:16 PM#21

Aesthetics - 7/10, maybe, just maybe


Gameplay - 9/10, worst UI ever and horrible control, seriously a 9????


Innovation - 8/10 , you're right, it is


Polish - 7/10, more server downtime and rollbacks then any other MMO in history


Social - 9/10, did you even try the chat channel? if you had it you'd rate it 0


Longevity - 8/10, not even close, it'll be dead by the end of the year


Value - 7/10, watching paint dry is more buck for your money


 


Did they pay you to write this, or are you a fan boy? This game won't last very long, maybe the end of the year.  AV is crap and they won't even post there mistakes on there official website but they post it on Facebook,......


 


 


 


 


 


  BadSpock

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Logic be damned!

5/17/13 3:27:09 PM#22

How can you give this game any credit for innovation or gameplay when it is simply doing UO circa 1999, but a whole lot worse?

Perhaps this review is another sign of how desperate the sandbox-loving crowd is for a game that they'll try and put so much makeup and a dress on turds like this?

Man oh man do I hope games like AA and EQNext and maybe something like Black Desert work out well for ya'll, this is just sad.

Now Playing: Destiny, WoW

  Jupsto

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5/17/13 3:29:17 PM#23

"People either love it or absolutely hate it"


yep look at these comments, some people are so dedicated to smearing this game on these forums its like a full time job for them.


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  Lahuzer

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5/17/13 3:38:15 PM#24
Originally posted by Consensus

"People either love it or absolutely hate it"


yep look at these comments, some people are so dedicated to smearing this game on these forums its like a full time job for them.

While I do agree to most of the review, it sure leaves one wondering how much he was affected by playing with RipperX, that promotes DFUW more then any1 else all over the internet. Bill Murphy even answered a fanboi that wondered why he didn't let RipperX review the game? Bill said  that he hired this guy to get a more objective view of the game, since RipperX were very biased towards the game himself. Then he ended up playing with him. Hmm...

SBE1 spotted alot of flaws with this review that I missed myself when I read it.

  mogi67

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5/17/13 3:49:56 PM#25
The world isn't really that big. Obviously the author has never played Asheron's Call
  Zeddakis

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5/17/13 4:35:49 PM#26

Originally posted by SBE1

Initial thoughts:




I see that you've been writing for MMORPG.com since 2012 and are a freelance writer.  Okay, so perhaps you're new to MMO games or nobody has ever tried to edit your work to make it better.  In my previous life I have written professionally and along the way took a lot of edits from folks (which i initially scorned but soon learned that it made me a far better writer).  What follows is a short list of things you really should think about when writing about MMO games and writing in general.  




Let's go over your review:




1) Aesthetics:   The definition of Aesthics is how it looks.  Yet the vast majority of your review (in terms of words spent on the subject) of this section is bad coding and crashing.  Did you deliberately put the game crashes in this section because you can't think of what to write about the graphics/images/looks of the game, or did you simply forget you have the Polish section (is the game finished/polished.   You did mention optimization again in the Polish section as an aside.  Why put it in both?  




Second, if you're going to compare graphics to TERA or GW2 and say they aren't as good, why not say which game you think the graphics in Darkfall are better?  I mean, if you give it a 7/10, surely there are other MMO games that have worse graphics.  Do you mean to imply that TERA and GW2 are the only 2 MMO games that have better graphics than Darkfall?  Hard to know since I'm only told what is better than Darkfall, but I don't know what Darkfall is better than so I can't figure out on my own how decent the graphics are.




2) Gameplay -- Okay, you give it a 9/10 after playing this game for several weeks (according to the intro on the top).  Then you add this fun gem: "Unfortunately I wasn’t able to experiences the full on sieges and organized clan wars. It is the most interesting aspect about the game, and makes for a hell of a lot of fun."  So, you played for a few weeks and didn't get to experience the best part of the game, yet felt compelled to write the review? Who writes a review of the game and admits they didn't do the best part? Furthermore, how do you know it's the best part of the game if you didn't experience it?  Is this from someone else's review of the game?  Is the 9/10 because you hear that part of the game is really good (and thus the score of the game you actually experienced is lower?), or is it 9/10 based upon the game you actually experienced and would be perhaps a 10/10 based upon getting to experience you have been told is even better?  




Did you compare other recent MMORPG.com reviews of games that got a 9/10 for gameplay to try to set as a comparison?  Did anyone at MMORPG.com help you in this regard?




You also mention that you have never played in an open world PvP sandbox game.  Really?  Ever hear of EVE?  It's a fairly popular game (often highlighted on this very website) that perhaps people at an MMORGP review site should be familiar with and have played.  Maybe get some experience playing other types of MMOs before reviewing MMO games, so as you can compare the gameplay with EVE. It clearly stands out as a big red warning sign for your review.




Innovation - 8/10?  You seem to give it a high-score simply because it is a sandbox MMO. While i agree sandbox games are not as common as themepark MMO games, I don't think it qualifies as innovative, just uncommon.  So, here's the definition of innovation from Merian-Webster: "The introduction of something new."  While sanbox games are uncommon, they are not NEW.  However, since you mentioned you haven't played that kind of game before, hence it falls into this section unfortunately.  




You do mention the leveling system which you believe is innovative. I would have focused more on this aspect since you said, "[it] is something which I haven’t seen outside a traditional leveling system."  




Social: 9/10 - You did say that you played with another MMORPG.com staff member and his guild.  Sort of creates a bias if you join people from work in the game. Still, I would agree that in a well-done sandbox PvP game, social tends to be a very important (and fun) part of the game and often leads to very high scores. 




Longevity - No comment, that's pure opinion.




Value - I have a comment.  You say "In addition to this, content is always being added." Interesting. It would be nice when you say stuff like that to give some facts. How often is "always"?  What content was added?  If it is on the expensive side, you'd have to compare how often it is added and the amount of content to another MMO game that isn't as expensive and also very popular (so it's easy to compare).  You provide no data and no comparison. 




Don't say stuff like "the developers are always striving to make their game better." Please tell me which developer of a MMO game isn't trying to make the game better?  Was this an attempt to make this section longer and ran out of things to say?  See my comment on data and comparisons for things to add to this section, rather than silly "they're working really hard" comments. 




End thought to the writer- 




Yeah, I'm a harsh critic of MMORPG.com reviews because long ago they were really all glowing with how wonderful everything was. Thankfully, people like Bill Murphy eventually stepped in and changed the review process to remove such bias.  While I think most of the reviews have been better since then, I would have to say this review certainly needed an editor.




To my friends at MMORPG.com staff (that are probably tired of me reviewing their reviews):




You should carefully screen people hired to write reviews to ensure that they have played a similar game and are very familiar with several MMO games and have someone provide helpful edits and suggestions to freelance writers.  When they give a 9/10 score on something, you have to compare that to other games that also got a similar score (8/10 - 10/10) and make sure that's consistent, especially when the writer comments that game "crashes were normal."  A game that crashes all the time just got a 9/10 gameplay score.  Is that the new standard?   Did anyone but me notice that?



You know you can PM the writer with your suggestions? That might have been the better route to take than posting that wall of text.


  Lahuzer

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5/17/13 4:46:08 PM#27
Originally posted by Zeddakis

Originally posted by SBE1

Wall of text...


You know you can PM the writer with your suggestions? That might have been the better route to take than posting that wall of text.

Why should he do that? He has some valid points that is good if people read and think about as well after reading that review. You could have taken away all his text when you answered him though...

  Burntvet

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Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2775

5/17/13 4:55:10 PM#28
Originally posted by zepoxi

Aesthetics - 7/10, maybe, just maybe


Gameplay - 9/10, worst UI ever and horrible control, seriously a 9????


Innovation - 8/10 , you're right, it is


Polish - 7/10, more server downtime and rollbacks then any other MMO in history


Social - 9/10, did you even try the chat channel? if you had it you'd rate it 0


Longevity - 8/10, not even close, it'll be dead by the end of the year


Value - 7/10, watching paint dry is more buck for your money


 


Did they pay you to write this, or are you a fan boy? This game won't last very long, maybe the end of the year.  AV is crap and they won't even post there mistakes on there official website but they post it on Facebook,......


 


 


 


 


 


 

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  Lustmord

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Posts: 1094

5/17/13 4:59:09 PM#29

Originally posted by Tenebrion

Fair review - though the final score should be 7.85, not 7.6 - based on the values listed in the review.

This.


The only thing that really bothers me about this review is that the screenshots are still showing only 2k prowess earned..... I think the reviewer is just saying what he thinks people want to hear.


He lists cheaters as a problem, but I'm betting he has never encountered any cheaters.


Nonetheless, it is an overall positive review, although I don't believe it's doing the game justice.


 


  Burntvet

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Posts: 2775

5/17/13 4:59:15 PM#30
And especially WTF on 9/10 for gameplay AND saying crashes are "normal". In a full loot PVP game, a crash = you're dead and you lose everything you had with you. How about a little common effin sense? That alone deserves a far bigger markdown, and there were other things totally missed. Or were the blinders on? Really, this "review" seriously looks paid for.
  Kanester

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5/17/13 5:11:06 PM#31

Great Review, The game is great and will only get better.


Best MMO since the launch of Warcraft.


  Cecropia

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5/17/13 5:44:43 PM#32

Good review and I feel this was fair for the game considering it's at such a young and early state. DF:UW is only going to keep improving as it matures over time.

Good job mmorpg.com!

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  redrip

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5/17/13 7:09:01 PM#33

Spot on review George!  Well said and fair and balanced in my opinion!


 


  Deznts

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5/17/13 7:19:23 PM#34
Originally posted by thegreatestever

OK I know this website is a joke but you are giving DF gameplay a 9/10?  Insane.  The gameplay is garbage, even worse than the original.  The melee combat is clunky, archery is worse, spellcasting is dumbed down.  The game is flat out unacceptable.   It may be fast and chaotic, but it's sloppy and unrefined: somehow it's even Worse than DF1.  


The progression is simply a dumbed down version of the same thing from DF1 with less options presented.  Same thing goes for crafting.  


The gameplay deserves a 6/10 at the most.  Overall the game is a 5 or a 6.

Have to agree with this guy. The gameplay is horrible. Simplistic melee combat with no feeling to it. Graphics are really bad. Animations are really bad. Sorry George, but this is a really bad "professional/journalistic" review. No consistency in comparison with other games of the genre. Glad that you have a job, because being unemployed sucks. But this destroys any credibility you may have had as a reviewer
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  Raventree

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5/17/13 7:48:39 PM#35

Wow, talk about getting people fired up!  This game seriously makes people fall on love or become frothing at the mouth rabid!  The only comment that I will make is that they need to seriously put out some free trials, buddy keys, or remove the monthly sub.  There aren't many MMOs these days that can still justify a sub and with Rift going F2P I don't think a second-rate company like Aventurine is doing themselves any favors by placing so much cost in the way of players giving their game a try.  They may need the money because they are a small company, but SWToR apparently made more as F2P than as a sub game.

Edit:  The reason I point this out is that I wouldn't mind trying it, but based on the mixed reviews I am not dropping $55 to immediately realize that my mouth is foaming and I feel the urge to type with my fists while I rage on the forums. 

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  Keller

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5/17/13 8:14:21 PM#36

gameplay :




  • classes are finished for 50%


  • dungeons are not ingame


  • (war)ships are not ingame


  • siege equipment like canons and warhulks are not ingame 


 


polish :




  • server has seen some optimization


  • harvesting has been dumbed down, points spent reduce only time spent and no longer success rate (100% successrate for all attempts)


  • polished gamecontent is only announced in a post on the forums and is planned for the near future, so is not actually ingame


  • they're still tweaking the classes


  • player cities are getting a total overhaul


  • inventory is not working as intended and will see changes


  • prowess has not received any polishing


  • a lot of players consider release as a paid beta



 


In my opinion the marks given in those categories are way off.


 


gameplay = 6.5/10


polish = tbd (not enough data and 1/10 is a bit weird to give)

 


  robin392

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5/17/13 10:12:23 PM#37

Originally posted by SBE1

Initial thoughts:




I see that you've been writing for MMORPG.com since 2012 and are a freelance writer.  Okay, so perhaps you're new to MMO games or nobody has ever tried to edit your work to make it better.  In my previous life I have written professionally and along the way took a lot of edits from folks (which i initially scorned but soon learned that it made me a far better writer).  What follows is a short list of things you really should think about when writing about MMO games and writing in general.  




Let's go over your review:




1) Aesthetics:   The definition of Aesthics is how it looks.  Yet the vast majority of your review (in terms of words spent on the subject) of this section is bad coding and crashing.  Did you deliberately put the game crashes in this section because you can't think of what to write about the graphics/images/looks of the game, or did you simply forget you have the Polish section (is the game finished/polished.   You did mention optimization again in the Polish section as an aside.  Why put it in both?  




Second, if you're going to compare graphics to TERA or GW2 and say they aren't as good, why not say which game you think the graphics in Darkfall are better?  I mean, if you give it a 7/10, surely there are other MMO games that have worse graphics.  Do you mean to imply that TERA and GW2 are the only 2 MMO games that have better graphics than Darkfall?  Hard to know since I'm only told what is better than Darkfall, but I don't know what Darkfall is better than so I can't figure out on my own how decent the graphics are.




2) Gameplay -- Okay, you give it a 9/10 after playing this game for several weeks (according to the intro on the top).  Then you add this fun gem: "Unfortunately I wasn’t able to experiences the full on sieges and organized clan wars. It is the most interesting aspect about the game, and makes for a hell of a lot of fun."  So, you played for a few weeks and didn't get to experience the best part of the game, yet felt compelled to write the review? Who writes a review of the game and admits they didn't do the best part? Furthermore, how do you know it's the best part of the game if you didn't experience it?  Is this from someone else's review of the game?  Is the 9/10 because you hear that part of the game is really good (and thus the score of the game you actually experienced is lower?), or is it 9/10 based upon the game you actually experienced and would be perhaps a 10/10 based upon getting to experience you have been told is even better?  




Did you compare other recent MMORPG.com reviews of games that got a 9/10 for gameplay to try to set as a comparison?  Did anyone at MMORPG.com help you in this regard?




You also mention that you have never played in an open world PvP sandbox game.  Really?  Ever hear of EVE?  It's a fairly popular game (often highlighted on this very website) that perhaps people at an MMORGP review site should be familiar with and have played.  Maybe get some experience playing other types of MMOs before reviewing MMO games, so as you can compare the gameplay with EVE. It clearly stands out as a big red warning sign for your review.




Innovation - 8/10?  You seem to give it a high-score simply because it is a sandbox MMO. While i agree sandbox games are not as common as themepark MMO games, I don't think it qualifies as innovative, just uncommon.  So, here's the definition of innovation from Merian-Webster: "The introduction of something new."  While sanbox games are uncommon, they are not NEW.  However, since you mentioned you haven't played that kind of game before, hence it falls into this section unfortunately.  




You do mention the leveling system which you believe is innovative. I would have focused more on this aspect since you said, "[it] is something which I haven’t seen outside a traditional leveling system."  




Social: 9/10 - You did say that you played with another MMORPG.com staff member and his guild.  Sort of creates a bias if you join people from work in the game. Still, I would agree that in a well-done sandbox PvP game, social tends to be a very important (and fun) part of the game and often leads to very high scores. 




Longevity - No comment, that's pure opinion.




Value - I have a comment.  You say "In addition to this, content is always being added." Interesting. It would be nice when you say stuff like that to give some facts. How often is "always"?  What content was added?  If it is on the expensive side, you'd have to compare how often it is added and the amount of content to another MMO game that isn't as expensive and also very popular (so it's easy to compare).  You provide no data and no comparison. 




Don't say stuff like "the developers are always striving to make their game better." Please tell me which developer of a MMO game isn't trying to make the game better?  Was this an attempt to make this section longer and ran out of things to say?  See my comment on data and comparisons for things to add to this section, rather than silly "they're working really hard" comments. 




End thought to the writer- 




Yeah, I'm a harsh critic of MMORPG.com reviews because long ago they were really all glowing with how wonderful everything was. Thankfully, people like Bill Murphy eventually stepped in and changed the review process to remove such bias.  While I think most of the reviews have been better since then, I would have to say this review certainly needed an editor.




To my friends at MMORPG.com staff (that are probably tired of me reviewing their reviews):




You should carefully screen people hired to write reviews to ensure that they have played a similar game and are very familiar with several MMO games and have someone provide helpful edits and suggestions to freelance writers.  When they give a 9/10 score on something, you have to compare that to other games that also got a similar score (8/10 - 10/10) and make sure that's consistent, especially when the writer comments that game "crashes were normal."  A game that crashes all the time just got a 9/10 gameplay score.  Is that the new standard?   Did anyone but me notice that?



For such a wall of text about the writing style and grammar of someone else, your crap is sure hard to read. 


Protip. 95% of the time 'that' is a superfluous word. 100% of the time, you are not as hot as you think you are.


  Lahuzer

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5/18/13 2:24:54 AM#38
Originally posted by robin392

Originally posted by SBE1

Wall of text

For such a wall of text about the writing style and grammar of someone else, your crap is sure hard to read. 


Protip. 95% of the time 'that' is a superfluous word. 100% of the time, you are not as hot as you think you are.

Way to completely miss what he wrote about. Who cares bout some1s writing style, when he clearly has alot of valids arguments against this review? So shouldn't focus on THAT to much. Could be that some are to stupid to get it though. Could be...

  vonryan123

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5/18/13 3:01:12 AM#39

Originally posted by robin392




Originally posted by SBE1



Wall goes here



For such a wall of text about the writing style and grammar of someone else, your crap is sure hard to read. 




Protip. 95% of the time 'that' is a superfluous word. 100% of the time, you are not as hot as you think you are.



For someone to attempt a rebuttal of wit you may fall a bit short. After reading the review and the reviewer on the review .....you sir may want to take a Eng 101 class just to retouch on some points so when someone else writes about placement and paragraph content you WILL find it easy to read. and Protip: it's Pro-Tip 


  Jean-Luc_Picard

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5/18/13 4:15:42 AM#40

Well biased review, specially the "polish" note which should be like 5/10 maximum. The whole game doesn't deserve more than 5/10, and I'm being generous.


My problem with 7.6/10 for a game like Darkfall:UW is what are you going to give to the much better, much more polished AAA games out there? 12/10? 15/10?
 

 

Originally posted by BadSpock

How can you give this game any credit for innovation or gameplay when it is simply doing UO circa 1999, but a whole lot worse?

Perhaps this review is another sign of how desperate the sandbox-loving crowd is for a game that they'll try and put so much makeup and a dress on turds like this?

Man oh man do I hope games like AA and EQNext and maybe something like Black Desert work out well for ya'll, this is just sad.

Exactly!

Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2

Got a refund: Archeage. First refund since I started MMOs.

Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO and GW2.

"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn. After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that neither does the ability to write.

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