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News & Features Discussion  » [Editorial] General: The Beta Is a Lie

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5/16/13 12:46:01 PM#61

This article makes me laugh because it's so damn true. All I kept thinking about was Ragnarok Online 2. Been playing this game for a while. As far as I know it's in "Open Beta" or "Launched" I forget which quote they're using right now. But the game has been out in SEA and Korea for a long time. The game has so many flaws it in with bugs and mechanics not working, lazy work done on translations and just over all lack of fluid game play. But yet they're taking $20 per large bag, which each character needs 3 and that's per character. Along with a well functioning cash shop. They can't quite make your tab target work or make things sit well on your character but they sure that got that shop working perfectly.

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5/16/13 12:51:57 PM#62
I'd give anything to see developers move back to a subscription model, and just focus on making a fun game rather than trying to monetize every little feature they can.

These "betas" wouldn't even be an issue on a sub game.

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5/16/13 1:06:06 PM#63
Why are we acting like this has just now sprung up? There have been F2P korean grinder games back in the early 2000s that did this exact same thing, and stayed in "open beta" while taking money.

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5/16/13 1:13:48 PM#64
With our game, we are truly in Open Beta, as we plan to do a wipe before launch. We still have a few exploits being found, and so to be fair there will be a wipe. We have our Founder's Packs, which give the bonuses in Open Beta but again at launch. So, unlike the "open betas" mentioned in the article, we are I believe a true Open Beta.

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5/16/13 1:22:29 PM#65
I agree if your charging the general public then your on the market as far as I am concerned. Regardless of what position the company is claiming.

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5/16/13 1:26:13 PM#66

I recall an interview with a game developer who mentioned in passing, his game's beta and also, specifically, the game's marketing beta.   It's become a marketing schtick.  


Given the many issues with Neverwinter, I can't see giving them any money at all.  But I am sure they know the percentage of folks who will just have to  carrot that may be.


I do suspect they will declare the game 'released' when they plop out the new races/character classes that are already nearly finished.   But you'll need new character slots for them right?   Only $6 a pop!

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.


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5/16/13 1:36:23 PM#67

An industry adapts to demand and possibility, it knows no conscience or ethics. Mmo players are worse than gamblers and junkies; they are the most desperate and egotistical bunch there are, and will play anything if it provides the potential of attaining status and achievement in a surrogate reality. The reality has become so backwards, that instead of the industry buying our interest with quality games, we are buying and testing their crappy money-grabbing games for them, and saying thank you afterwards. This nonsense will only get worse, because of the desperation to be the first in a game, and having the best stuff and most power. 

I used to be like this, until at one point I realized the above, and suddenly the desperation ended, and it was replaced with a certain understanding of the whole, and even empathy for the people who have enslaved themselves to mmos for whatever pain they are in.

The industry would not look and behave like this if we were more detached from their grace.


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5/16/13 1:48:28 PM#68
Imagine being handed your bill in a restaurant by a waitress who says, "We hope you enjoyed your meal. But if not, you have no right to complain, because our restaurant is still in beta. Have a nice day."
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5/16/13 2:01:19 PM#69

Originally posted by tawess
But is it not better that they openly admit that the game is not done then pretending to have a "gold" game... after all the raking in of money will happen any way... And most betas.. even closed ones are pretty much just marketing tools any way these days.I guess soft launch will be the term that will be used in the future, but change does not happen over night.

If your car runs, but has no back seat, would you pay for it? How about pants with no fly closure (zipper/buttons/snaps)?

Why on earth would someone pay money for a game that is not technically "finished", ie: released?

The problem stems from players lining up in droves to PAY companies for these unfinished games, letting them know loud and clear that we LOVE unfinished games! So much so that we will PAY companies for the privilege of playing them.

Are we really that hard up for MMOs?


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5/16/13 2:15:24 PM#70


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5/16/13 2:19:10 PM#71

I can't even tell the difference between open beta and official launch anymore.

When Path of Exile officially launches, what will change? Will there be a wipe? No.



Open Beta for me is Open Trial.


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5/16/13 2:29:39 PM#72
Originally posted by AlBQuirky


Originally posted by tawess
But is it not better that they openly admit that the game is not done then pretending to have a "gold" game... after all the raking in of money will happen any way... And most betas.. even closed ones are pretty much just marketing tools any way these days.I guess soft launch will be the term that will be used in the future, but change does not happen over night.

If your car runs, but has no back seat, would you pay for it? How about pants with no fly closure (zipper/buttons/snaps)?


Why on earth would someone pay money for a game that is not technically "finished", ie: released?

The problem stems from players lining up in droves to PAY companies for these unfinished games, letting them know loud and clear that we LOVE unfinished games! So much so that we will PAY companies for the privilege of playing them.

Are we really that hard up for MMOs?


Personally my answer is Yes. Since I left WoW in Cata all i've been looking for is the next best MMO that will provide me with a great end game, with enough content to keep me busy and challenging raiding content. I'm still on the look to this very day. There's plenty of these half finished games that come out and yes we are paying for them. But honestly it's been a very long time since there was a really good MMO put out that provided us with all these things and a decent community to boot! These casual and month long mmo's that are just cash grabs really need to die out. Sadly I think there's a lot of people on the same hunt as I am and obviously some more than others. Those being the people spending so much money on founders packages that are playing and paying for an unproven game.


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5/16/13 3:00:08 PM#73
This is indeed very true Mr Murphy

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5/16/13 3:06:49 PM#74
$40 for a freaking mount? For that price I can buy a bunch of full Steam games. Is it account-bound or character-bound?

On subject now, I always found the excuse players came up with when something negative was said about their favorite game: "The game is in Beta, when the game launches it will be really different". It's a weird form of brainwashing for the fans that seems to allow the developers to get away with a poor launch or not delivering a working product. "It's a beta! But for $40 you can buy a good looking mount!".

Ridiculous to say the least.

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5/16/13 3:12:46 PM#75
Originally posted by BillMurphy
No, SMITE is released now.  But they did this for a long time too.  Hell, I think DOTA2 still is.


DOTA 2 is still in Beta, but I'd argue that DOTA 2 is an odd case. For one, everything in the Workshop is purely cosmetics and primarily made by the players (so players get a cut for each sales), I'm ignoring of course the spectator tickets for tournaments because I'm not entirely sure how those work, and then there's the Compendium where the sales goes to the IT3 Prize Pool.

 Valve seems intent on trying to ease the New Player Experience before launching the game (which is currently very harsh on new players). It's a wise choice in my opinion.

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5/16/13 3:21:39 PM#76
Good ol' bill knew this would bring in some traffic :)

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5/16/13 3:49:10 PM#77

I don't think there's anything wrong with doing it this way. For a f2p MMO, this kind of soft launch is probably a good idea. I don't have a problem with it.

But I do agree with the notion that devs should stop pretending it's a beta. It may not be as final as a full retail launch, but it is most certainly not a beta, no matter how many times they call it that. I agree with those that say the term "soft launch" is a more appropriate way to phrase it.

Basically it's just semantics, but it would feel more honest if they did it this way.


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5/16/13 4:25:23 PM#78

FTP games stay in open beta because they can.

It's just too damn scary these days for developers of MMO's to say their product is complete; especially those on a tight budget. Until developers get better at explaining to the customers that this kind of product (an mmorpg games) will always be in need of updates, bug fixes and the occasional rollback these ftp developers will keep doing this.



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5/16/13 4:40:19 PM#79
Nice article Bill. 

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5/16/13 5:06:55 PM#80
Originally posted by Vannor
Good ol' bill knew this would bring in some traffic :)

Haha :)

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