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  allendale5

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5/14/13 3:35:19 AM#121

It is sad that so many gamers have become basically indifferent to others in the game, and I don't feel that this anti-social wave of behavior is limited to gaming.  Just walk into any restaurant these days and you see couples not even speaking with one another; they just sit there tapping away on their iphones.  Same is true in waiting rooms or any social environment in which people used to converse regularly.  

Back to topic, perhaps a creative solution for this anti-social mindset should be incorporated into the game world... such as a limited number of players belonging to each instance of a shard... a 'family' if you will.   An Instance Leader or Senate could be elected after several weeks of play.  Rude players could be ousted from the instance.  Other socially unacceptable acts could be reprimanded.  I don't feel that forced integration should be required, but it should at least be an option in future games, leaving the balance of players to fend for themselves in the outside world.  

  GroovyFlower

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Joined: 5/12/11
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5/14/13 4:28:40 AM#122

Thats why i play DayZ now if someone acts like asshole i just kill him and take all his stuff.

These days people rude and leave on a whimp if they die there gone. If one mistake they curse swear and fuke your ... well you know what i mean.

But clans/guilds also are trash and full of anti socials so clan/guilds or pugs makes no differences.

Last year expereince this in GW2-AoE 2 HD now i play solo games or DayZ which is awesome game.

  Adamantine

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5/14/13 4:41:19 AM#123

Hmm only thing I've mentioned is that newbies are surprised when I just help them in Vanguard.

Since I dont play these other games, I dont know firsthand how the things are going on there. But I know that the first month in Vanguard was hell. Lots of very unfriendly people around.

 

  Madimorga

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5/14/13 8:36:44 AM#124
Originally posted by tarodin

under-educated players, ghetto-players, etc...

 

Really?  My experience in games judging by the nature of the (often very racist and classist) remarks is that the rich and middle class players are the most numerous and the mouthiest by far.  In real life working with the public that has also been my experience.  

 

It's like certain people think they're smarter and more special and entitled to everything their good fortune brings just because they picked the right parents.  They also believe they're more couth but in reality they tend to be the rudest.

 

I agree that there are more younger players and this is a problem.  I might be willing to agree that there are less geeky outcasts and more 'regular' people now.

 

Of course that means I have my own stereotypes to play with.  I am not only annoyed at having to share my MMOs with teenagers instead of mostly older players like me, I am also annoyed that the anti-social dork crowd that used to be the majority of gamers has been replaced by these awful 'normal' people with their weird talk of sports and all those other things I've never given a damn about.

 

 

 

 

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

~Albert Einstein

  Gardavsshade

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5/14/13 8:56:44 AM#125
Originally posted by allendale5

It is sad that so many gamers have become basically indifferent to others in the game, and I don't feel that this anti-social wave of behavior is limited to gaming.  Just walk into any restaurant these days and you see couples not even speaking with one another; they just sit there tapping away on their iphones.  Same is true in waiting rooms or any social environment in which people used to converse regularly.  

This is the main cause of it... Real Life Culture is becoming anti-social more and more, at least on a face to face basis, because of our Tech. If the Earth ever experiences an "ELE" event or similar then we all are in for a rough ride just with learneing how to get along with each other without cellphone and comps. Kindergarten will look tame in comparison.

Now I think as far as MMOs go, add the following: Years ago when MMOs were new we all grouped together and fought together to have fun and win, but over the years Players were less and less willing to spend the time needed, and work with everyone, now ....  it's easier for Players to pick and choose which Players are "exceptable" and "make the grade". DPS meters and other 3rd party apps make MMOs into a pass/fail experience rather than a group shared experience. Add to the recipe an attitude that basically says  "It's MY time, I am not going to spend it with some Player that haven't learned how to do this dungeon or can't get in the top 90% of Server dps numbers!!!". Or my personal favorite "Hey you! Hurry Up or I am going to kick you, stop reading the quest dialog/cutscene, I am not going to spend 2 seconds more doing this quest than I absolutely have to!"

and you wonder why some Players like myself, who used to be very social in MMO Gaming, now spend most of time solo?

MMOs are all about "Time". I have said that before in older posts and I will say it again. We spend Time doing quests, or hunting as in Wurm Online, we spend time crafting or building, we spend time in dugeons or in arenas, but most importantly we are supposed to be spending time with other Players. If a Player doesn't have the real life Time to spend playing a MMO, then maybe they shouldn't be playing a MMO, maybe another form of entertainment would be be to their liking. When I join a group in ANY MMO I am prepared to group with anyone, no matter what their skill level is, no matter how long it takes to finish the objective/mission/dungeon. Why? Because I believe that how's it's supposed to be done in a MMO.

Too bad 99% of current Players in MMOs don't see it the same as I do. Now Players get evaluated and are either considered acceptable to group with or considered a waste of pixels. Now Player like me are considered just too slow, too weak, or too inexperienced to be beneficial to a Group.... and if a Player can't group and not be kicked... in other words group and stay to finish and learn... then Players may never learn how to do this or that Dungeon or Op.

Players get sick of getting kicked when they are trying to learn and trying to do their best. Players get sick of being told they aren't good enough. When MMOs were populated with mostly Geeks and Nerds and Dorks most everyone was welcome. Not anymore. Eventually some of us just go solo, and solo is usually interpreted as anti-social. In no way did we ever wish to be considered that.

That's part of the answer the OP seeks.

 


Nothing to see here... just another MMO Ghost....

  tarodin

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Joined: 9/15/08
Posts: 81

5/14/13 9:37:22 AM#126
Originally posted by Madimorga
Originally posted by tarodin

under-educated players, ghetto-players, etc...

 

Really?  My experience in games judging by the nature of the (often very racist and classist) remarks is that the rich and middle class players are the most numerous and the mouthiest by far.  In real life working with the public that has also been my experience.  

 

 

 

I'm not refering to scholar education... with under-educated i wanted to refer to people that their parents didnt fill with good actitude like humility and so... ghetto-players is a huge mistake by my side and i apologice of use that word.

If you dont understand me is normal because english is not my natural languaje.

  Indol

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Joined: 2/10/12
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5/14/13 9:40:25 AM#127

People are more antagonistic on the internet because there are no repercussions.

The internet is largely the way people communicate these days.

Therefor, people are growing more and more antagonistic.

It's not dissimilar to how children (or adults) act if they know they can get away with anything.

  Madimorga

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Joined: 5/26/10
Posts: 1997

5/14/13 9:43:46 AM#128
Originally posted by tarodin
Originally posted by Madimorga
Originally posted by tarodin

under-educated players, ghetto-players, etc...

 

Really?  My experience in games judging by the nature of the (often very racist and classist) remarks is that the rich and middle class players are the most numerous and the mouthiest by far.  In real life working with the public that has also been my experience.  

 

 

 

I'm not refering to scholar education... with under-educated i wanted to refer to people that their parents didnt fill with good actitude like humility and so... ghetto-players is a huge mistake by my side and i apologice of use that word.

If you dont understand me is normal because english is not my natural languaje.

 

Ah that makes sense.  I have had the same issues with speaking spanish.  Culture-based language connotations are hard!     

Also my kid has turned into a total brat sometimes when he plays console games.  I yell at him when I hear him getting mouthy.  He used to be so sweet, I don't know what it is about shooting and getting shot at in video games that turns kids into such monsters but if he keeps it up he'll find he's not too old to ground!

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

~Albert Einstein

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 19496

5/14/13 9:51:36 AM#129
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
 

My point is when there is no consequences for your actions, being a jurk, even as far as your reputation of your name. IMO thats a bad thing. Your name gets so bad on a server from your attitude or ripping people off. Heck, /guild quit pay 10 bucks to buy a new name for your char and reapp to the same guild. I dont see the improvement. Its something I miss from the early days of MMOs. You worked as hard at your rep as a player as you did your char. 

I don't miss anything. Working hard at your reputation? Is that fun? Or is it playing the way i want to more fun?

Personally i prefer zero commitment, and zero obligation. If i don't like you for any reason, why should i tolerate you in a GAME?

In the old days, you have to "play nice" or else no guild & no group. That led to too much drama.

The sword cut both ways. So what if i encounter some jerks, as long as i can hit "quit" and put them on an ignore list.

  nariusseldon

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5/14/13 9:53:17 AM#130
Originally posted by Indol

People are more antagonistic on the internet because there are no repercussions.

The internet is largely the way people communicate these days.

Therefor, people are growing more and more antagonistic.

It's not dissimilar to how children (or adults) act if they know they can get away with anything.

Is that a bad thing? Letting people to express their aggression in games. Better than having them doing it in the real world.

It reminds me of Japan. They produces the most porn and yet, they have the lowest rate of sexual crimes. Let people be mean in games, and they will be nicer in the real world?

  User Deleted
5/14/13 10:02:43 AM#131

The internet is anonymous... that is... until you say something that someone objects to... then you are no longer anonymous.

 

It's not a surge in anti-social gamers... it's just a change in the way people approach gaming.

 

Don't point the finger at generation X or Y... you'd be surprised at how many old timers... those who have played since the invention of dirt... are the ones who are the most anti-social these days.  Scrooge became a miser as he grew older, not while in his youth.  Just saying...

 

  Indol

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Joined: 2/10/12
Posts: 192

5/14/13 10:13:46 AM#132
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Indol

People are more antagonistic on the internet because there are no repercussions.

The internet is largely the way people communicate these days.

Therefor, people are growing more and more antagonistic.

It's not dissimilar to how children (or adults) act if they know they can get away with anything.

Is that a bad thing? Letting people to express their aggression in games. Better than having them doing it in the real world.

It reminds me of Japan. They produces the most porn and yet, they have the lowest rate of sexual crimes. Let people be mean in games, and they will be nicer in the real world?

So you're saying the internet makes people less angry.... Not sure i'm with you on this.

Communicating on the internet is just as real as communicating in real life. The only difference is distance and anonymity.

If you're being a jerk to a stranger from far away, you're still being a jerk.

People can't behave however they want simply because they're sitting at a computer and then just brush it off because it's not "IRL". It is IRL, it's just that there's no actual responsibility for what they say.

  Iselin

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5/14/13 10:23:13 AM#133
Originally posted by Madimorga
Originally posted by tarodin

under-educated players, ghetto-players, etc...

 

Really?  My experience in games judging by the nature of the (often very racist and classist) remarks is that the rich and middle class players are the most numerous and the mouthiest by far.  In real life working with the public that has also been my experience.  

 

And your experience is correct:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/feb/27/upper-class-people-behave-selfishly

"Higher social classes more likely to lie, cheat, cut up other road users and not stop at pedestrian crossings, say researchers"

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/11/4086

"Seven studies using experimental and naturalistic methods reveal that upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals. In studies 1 and 2, upper-class individuals were more likely to break the law while driving, relative to lower-class individuals. In follow-up laboratory studies, upper-class individuals were more likely to exhibit unethical decision-making tendencies (study 3), take valued goods from others (study 4), lie in a negotiation (study 5), cheat to increase their chances of winning a prize (study 6), and endorse unethical behavior at work (study 7) than were lower-class individuals. Mediator and moderator data demonstrated that upper-class individuals’ unethical tendencies are accounted for, in part, by their more favorable attitudes toward greed."

  AeonZen

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5/14/13 10:40:14 AM#134

I'll probably be saying this a lot, I love anti-social players.  Social = Socialism.  Socialism is where the governing bodies are in charge of distribution and consumption.  The word government literally means to govern the mind; mind control.  Thus, anti-social is nothing other than being an individual who does not follow accepted methods of behavior dictated by popular culture (cult), and are far less likely to support fascism by choosing to stand up for freedom of expression; free will. 

Maybe the correct term is non communicative players, and if that's the case, I don't blame players, lots of pain arises from relationships, so I can relate to those that minimize their desire to form a relationship the second someone says "Hi".

So the answer simply is, our society and culture as a whole, is very damaging to people, and that translates into the fantasy games we play.

  psiic

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5/14/13 10:40:17 AM#135

Personally I think it is all part of the same socio-economic turmoil that is effecting the world as a whole. 

 

People are upset, people are angry, even the kool-aid drinkers are starting to open their eyes and realize they have been used, lied to, and manipulated over and over.

 

They have begun to realize nobody is on their side and no matter what promises are made to them nobody is going to make their lives better, nobody is going to fix things. 

 

The world is broken, people are broken, the economy is broken, and no matter what BS the media, politicians, or celebrities feed us, they can not fix it. They have no desire to fix it. 

 

We are rapidly heading for another dark ages, a feudal system of Lord and Serfs ( slaves ), and we " the people ", the serfs, the slaves are too busy, or lazy, or stupid to do anything about it.

We sit here and convince ourselves, or worse yet let them convince us there is nothing we can do, that one man or woman can not make a difference.

 

We let them shove us together, while at the same time keeping us apart. We let them create this aura of fear around us.

All these news stories and TV shows, and videos over and over of police, FBI, ATF, DEA, Homeland Security, the Secret Service, FEMA, the CIA, now even the IRS.. all this media showing us how corrupt and dirty, dark, and evil they all are. How they exsist just to violate our civil and constitutional rights. 

They make movies tons of movies showing us how our own military will not side with the people they are oath bound to protect, but would instead side with the dark and evil government, committing atrocities and murder against the people.

 

This is all part of the plan, all part of the brainwashing, disempowerment, and reeducation.  

Just open one of your kids history books these days and start reading. They have changed it all, they are reeducating our children, teaching them some fabricated BS Marxist view of history, that paints freedom and individuality as something bad, and democracy as something evil and imperialistic.  

It's no wonder our kids are becoming so angry, full of hate, and spite. They are being taught we are their enemies, that we did this to them, that the only people they can count on are their own generation and of course our leaders. 

 

I mean if you follow history at all the same things going on in the US right now, are the same things that went on in Germany as the Nazi party was coming into power.  Sometimes I am really surprised I have not yet seen a parade of homeland security goose stepping through the streets of Washington DC.

 

We are at a critical crossroads in history.

 

We can choose to go quietly into the night, or we can choose to rage rage against the dying of the light.

 

 

  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

5/14/13 11:21:03 AM#136
Trolls ruin social xp.

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  fantasyfreak112

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Joined: 4/20/13
Posts: 523

5/14/13 11:25:23 AM#137
Originally posted by tarodin

It's all about complexity... more complex games, more evolved players.

 

WoW, LoL, and so are full of child players, under-educated players, ghetto-players, etc...

 

EQ, Eve, vanguard, are hard games, so players know that games requieres some brain, and most people doesnt have brain... so they play wow, lol, neverwinter, gw2, etc...

People that want a challenge is people able to join a community... people wanting free stuff and so are troll people

 

LMAO my soul burns.....................

  Axehilt

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Joined: 5/09/09
Posts: 7213

5/14/13 11:30:54 AM#138
Originally posted by tarodin

It's all about complexity... more complex games, more evolved players.

 WoW, LoL, and so are full of child players, under-educated players, ghetto-players, etc... 

EQ, Eve, vanguard, are hard games, so players know that games requieres some brain, and most people doesnt have brain... so they play wow, lol, neverwinter, gw2, etc...

People that want a challenge is people able to join a community... people wanting free stuff and so are troll people

"most people doesn't have brain" is perhaps not the best thing to say in a post insulting the intelligence of those who play games you dislike.

Children play Chess too.  Like Chess, children don't compete at the highest tiers of WOW or LoL play (and if they're there it's because they're brilliant at it; just like Chess.)  Like Chess, these games are good at hiding their true complexity by appearing simple at first glance.  Two kids examining Chess (or WOW or LoL) and only dabbling in it might conclude it was a shallow game.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 19496

5/14/13 12:07:55 PM#139
Originally posted by Indol
 

 

Communicating on the internet is just as real as communicating in real life. The only difference is distance and anonymity.

Those are remarkable differences, don't you think? Anonymity changes everything.

If you're being a jerk to a stranger from far away, you're still being a jerk.

Yes. so? We are all jerks underneath sometimes. Have you had a bad day and snap at your family? Ever yelled at your brother, sister, parents .. even once?

People can't behave however they want simply because they're sitting at a computer and then just brush it off because it's not "IRL". It is IRL, it's just that there's no actual responsibility for what they say.

Yes, we can on the Internet. In fact, how are you going to stop it? If i want to be rude to my PUG tonight, i obviously *can*. In fact, "no actual responsbility" = "you can".

 

  danwest58

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Joined: 5/14/09
Posts: 542

5/14/13 12:11:33 PM#140
The reason why games have become Anti-social is because there are too many MMOs today and all this competition has cause MMOs to try to pull in non MMO gamers.  That means Solo players and the Farmville gamers.  So now we have people who play mmos like Console games not to play an MMO.  
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