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General Discussion  » Neverwinter Community: What the hell is going on?...

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5/12/13 11:13:38 PM#21
Originally posted by Toxia

Lesson? Never PUG.

Find you a group of friends who play when you do and roll with them. From your guild or something.

Dont play with jackasses. leave group, it isnt worth your time.

This is exactly what I do and have done for years in MMO's. I learnt my lesson and have stuck rigidly to the NO PUGS rule, it's the only way to cut out all the drama.



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5/12/13 11:14:11 PM#22
You and your friend should have ditched that group before finishing. The two of you are obviously doing the most work, if all of the other players are non-friends. I try to get 1 or 2 friends/guild members for every dungeon, so anti-social idiots don't have a say in how it goes.

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5/12/13 11:16:22 PM#23
The first couple of months of any mmorpg seems to draw in the worst rift-raft, in time they will go to the next title released.  I have determined that in all the betas and games I have played that there is always a 2-3 month wave of undesirable people that flood the game and then move on like zombies seeking the next mmo launch.  I hope those people find happiness somewhere eventually and I think they need mmorpg therapy, just my two-cents.

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5/13/13 1:40:59 AM#24
In the 11 years Ive played mmorpgs, I've very rarely gotten a bad PUG. In fact, leveling was done mainly in PUG in DAOC. I also level a lot through grouped dungeons and still rarely get a bad one. Most people I've been grouped with has been nice and reasonable. However, in Neverwinter, most groups have some selfish members who need on items they can't use. CW's also get on my nerves in groups, because they knock the mobs around, so myself (GWF) and the other melees have to Chase everything down.

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5/13/13 1:57:26 AM#25

you will find that in the cryptic games everyone will need in pugs it wont matter what the item is, the disposability of grouping in the games means that if I was to join your team and need on everything It matter because chances are I will never group with you again.


ok I don't do that but its how it works in star trek online because the chances of meeting up with the same people its assumed automatically that everyone will just need on the drops so they can sell / salvage on the auction house for the in game currency.


The only thing that can be advised is find a group of like minded people I am going to play never winter as I enjoy cryptics game style over the turbine one. Also you got to realise that the game is still Open Beta so people are not really concerned about the people they meet because its all going to get wiped.




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5/13/13 2:03:29 AM#26
They have already said there are no more wipes.

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5/13/13 2:18:32 AM#27
You get "those" groups once in a while. Unless you bump into them constantly, it's not a big deal.

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5/13/13 2:28:28 AM#28

I've done guild runs with four people and one pug and once we get into the dungeon; the pug is the leader of the party.  We didn't have any problems that run; I just found it odd that it was the case, and even running with a mostly guild group is not always a cure. If I'm the leader, I boot people that act like jerks.  They are usually DPS.  Enjoy going back to the end of the 30 minute wait.  Thankfully,  these people point themselves out pretty early, too.  They roll need on everything.  In cases like this, I roll need too, and then if I win, I just give the gear to the person that can use it.  It's funny because they know you are trying to be an anti-jerk, but what can they say to you? Stop rolling on the gear I am trying to ninja?

I find that the community isn't all that bad for a free to play game.  Usually you can pick up the jerks by their player handles and names.  Gearing up is really so quick and simple that getting worked up over it doesn't seem to be worth it, either.


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5/13/13 2:45:20 AM#29
What the OP said is very common in this game. No one speaks in groups and they try to ninja everything. I'm playing with my brother who is a CW and I'm a rogue. In dungeons, we are forced to push "need" for both CW and rogue items in order to increase our chances to get any decent loot. Shame really...


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5/13/13 2:46:06 AM#30

Hello OP,

to be honest, i just logged into my account here to reply to your post and to say that i absolutely feel with you !

I hate all those needers, pullers and people that dont talk in a group. It seems like most of them doesnt even have the time to say a quick hello. If they say something its always offensive and asocial.

The best experience i have building a group is by building it via Chat. You can talk to people and get a first glimpse of how they are.

Ill never ever use the dungeon finder for dungeons again because of that asocial behaviour of random people.

Its absolutely important that they change the loot system that only the designated class can roll a need on an item. Well that doesnt protect you from someone ninja his class items to sell it but it takes most of the steam out of that.

Another thing is, if someone of you gets Teamlead, just switch loot-Rules to something like lootmaster. I think that worked in CB quite well. Oh and last but not least , i think all those powergamer kids will reach max level, search some teammates via "Equipcheck Protectors Enclave min GS 100000" and then its getting boring for them and theyll leave the game to the roleplayers, slowmos and people that enjoy foundry missions and cooperative gameplay.

My hopes are really high ;)


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5/13/13 2:47:44 AM#31
This is what you get when dungeon loot isn't bind on pickup. If they can sell it, they'll need it.

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What have you done!?

OP  5/13/13 6:40:05 AM#32
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This is what i'm talking about :),you can find how old i am  in my profile.I'm not talking about the game,i don't care if i don't get a SHINY blue dagger,i'm talking about the anti-social behaviour that i found doing dungeons on this game.Read again and get that rusty brain of yours working, mate :D.

Anyways, i'll just find a guild or ask in general chat as you peeps said,no point doing PUGS when i can avoid them.


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5/13/13 6:51:36 AM#33

It's a little bit worse in free to play games. I'm all for player tribunals like in League of Legend to cleanse the world of those little POS.

If you're playing solo, your best bet is to group up while questing. Once you've found a friend or two, ask them to go do a dungeon and you're all set for a much better experience with other socializers. ;)


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5/13/13 7:55:08 AM#34

Something else to consider is that everyone from different countries is put into the same player pool.  You'll often play with French, German, Russians, etc that may not even speak English. 


This is while you'll often see notifications and cutscenes in other languages. 


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5/13/13 7:59:48 AM#35
F2P + PUG's. end of story.

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5/13/13 8:13:49 AM#36

I wonder if some of this is a cultural thing, as the other poster was hinting at.  I have also found  myself not being answered in group chat when in dungeons.  Maybe for some it is their first MMO.  Ive repeatedly seen players running around attacking everything in sight and then running back to the group, or at least whatever is left.  Half the problem is keeping the group together.  Once i popped in to a dungeon to find one guy trying to open a chest, two more getting mobbed by  skeletons and one guy seemed afk at the fire. 

I usually always PUG in MMOs and have gotten used to this type of behavior.  The not talking , however , is a bit disconcerting.  I guess I find PUGs interesting because you never know what you are going to get. Ive made friends through PUGS and, of course, come across those people you want to put on ignore forever.  I'm on Mindflayer so if you know of any friendly, casual guilds that love doing Foundry missions because THEY ARE FUN and not trying to exploit for xp, let me know. 


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5/13/13 9:20:41 AM#37
Sounds like we can use Seanlau as a prime example of what the OP is stating.


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5/13/13 9:28:42 AM#38

I see this a LOT in most MMOS I have played. It seems more common in F2P games however. Best advice I can give is find a good guild and run with them. PUGs are full of special snowflakes who can't see past their own needs.

Best of luck to you

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5/13/13 9:32:48 AM#39


Don't expect people behaving good in matchmaking lobby-like game.  

Do you expect good community in League of Legends or Call of Duty or World of Warcraft?


People behave good in games - when there is social and actual game pressure to do so. That is in games where you have to take time and effort to group and travel and in which if you're ostracized by community - then it will affect your future gameplay.

Otherwise many will not.


You cannot have the cake and eat it.   Either you have convenience of fast machmaking games or you have better behaviour.  Not both.


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5/13/13 9:44:14 AM#40
Originally posted by Seunlau
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On topic:

The replies here have been really informative - me and a couple buddies are looking for a good mmo - looks like this one might be it - just gotta be weary of loot ninjas and typical mmo pug community and the quoted anus above.

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