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  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 10:47:55 PM#21
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

you can't lose something unless you bet it.

 

if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.

 

gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.

Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."

I understand this fully.

 

but similarly nobody started out as "i'm going to be a mass murderer" either. People are responsible for their actions.

 

It's part of the basic principle of freedom to allow people to try and fail.

 

edit: why are americans the only ones being adressed here ? gambling is global.


The magazine article was about video game gambling in America. Like you said, it's already legal elsewhere.

How can you compare a mass murderer to a gambler?

Freedom has NOTHING to do with gambling. Being exploited economically has nothing to do with freedom. Freedom is being responsible to ourselves. I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. They lie, cheat, and steal. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

 

Gambling implies the chance to lose. I have no remorse for people who fall prey to it. Some obese people have food addictions, but I still hold them accountable for actually putting the food in their mouth in the first place. 

Again, no one is getting it. You're GUARANTEED to lose if you play long term. THERE IS NO CHANCE! It's also state sponsored. The fast food industry has to label their product with nutritional information. The gambling industry LIES and is not transparent at all with their product.

 

Most people know that gambling vast sums of money is... a gamble. The saying, "The house always wins" exists for a reason, and most people understand why. So, basically, you'll be fine with gambling if they say something like...

WARNING: Compulsive gambling can lead to losing everything you have ever owned. 

I'm fine with that, but it's not going to stop people from gambling away everything they own just like nutrition information isn't going to stop a food addict from eating awful food. 

Most people who start gambling start small. They win and think they are good. They bet more money to win more. They win. They bet even more. Eventually they lose and keep betting big and keep losing. No one starts out with vast sums from the start.
 I would like a warning like that. It will stop more people from ruining their lives, although it wont help those already affected.

  User Deleted
5/12/13 10:48:54 PM#22
I've seen the effects gambling addiction on a person first hand. It truly is something that can bring a lot of difficulty and misery into one's life. Yea, you can choose not to participate in gambling, but my I agree with the OP. There is no benefit to society in anyway, shape or form that can come from gambling. If it were up to me I'd outlaw it. Of course then it would move underground, but at least that might be incentive enough to keep once decent people away from it.
  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 10:49:10 PM#23
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

./rolls eyes.

 

what about the tax revenue it provides to local economy ?

 

I mean you layed out all the negatives, let's be fair. Make a list of the positives too. It's only fair to have a clear perspective.

 

so tell us, now, what are the poitives of gambling ?

  InsaneDalek

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Joined: 5/01/13
Posts: 123

EXTERMINATE!

5/12/13 10:49:41 PM#24
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by Robokapp you can't lose something unless you bet it.   if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.   gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.
Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."
I understand this fully.

 

 

People are responsible for their actions.


 

False.

Some people do have problems with gambling. aka addiction.

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.

  Loktofeit

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5/12/13 10:49:58 PM#25
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Magiknight

I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. The gambling industry lies, cheats, and steals. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

If advertising for everything else is regulated, what makes you think that advertising for gambling wouldn't be?

Look at their ads..... Everyone of them says the same thing.  "You'll be a winner!" But NO ONE is.

What video game gambling ads or US gambling ads are you referring to that say this? 

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 744

 
OP  5/12/13 10:50:21 PM#26
Originally posted by fayknaym
I've seen the effects gambling addiction on a person first hand. It truly is something that can bring a lot of difficulty and misery into one's life. Yea, you can choose not to participate in gambling, but my I agree with the OP. There is no benefit to society in anyway, shape or form that can come from gambling. If it were up to me I'd outlaw it. Of course then it would move underground, but at least that might be incentive enough to keep once decent people away from it.

In Hawaii there are lots of underground gambling places. Bad things happen in them. But that's a whole different story than state sponsored robbery.

  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 10:51:42 PM#27
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

./rolls eyes.

 

what about the tax revenue it provides to local economy ?

 

I mean you layed out all the negatives, let's be fair. Make a list of the positives too. It's only fair to have a clear perspective.

 

so tell us, now, what are the poitives of gambling ?


The positives are a small amount of money captured by the state and some petty jobs.

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 744

 
OP  5/12/13 10:52:19 PM#28
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Magiknight

I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. The gambling industry lies, cheats, and steals. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

If advertising for everything else is regulated, what makes you think that advertising for gambling wouldn't be?

Look at their ads..... Everyone of them says the same thing.  "You'll be a winner!" But NO ONE is.

What video game gambling ads or US gambling ads are you referring to that say this? 

 

There are no ads for video game gambling yet. I'm talking about ads for any other form of gambling.

  simsalabim77

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Joined: 4/27/13
Posts: 617

5/12/13 10:53:12 PM#29
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

you can't lose something unless you bet it.

 

if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.

 

gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.

Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."

I understand this fully.

 

but similarly nobody started out as "i'm going to be a mass murderer" either. People are responsible for their actions.

 

It's part of the basic principle of freedom to allow people to try and fail.

 

edit: why are americans the only ones being adressed here ? gambling is global.


The magazine article was about video game gambling in America. Like you said, it's already legal elsewhere.

How can you compare a mass murderer to a gambler?

Freedom has NOTHING to do with gambling. Being exploited economically has nothing to do with freedom. Freedom is being responsible to ourselves. I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. They lie, cheat, and steal. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

 

Gambling implies the chance to lose. I have no remorse for people who fall prey to it. Some obese people have food addictions, but I still hold them accountable for actually putting the food in their mouth in the first place. 

Again, no one is getting it. You're GUARANTEED to lose if you play long term. THERE IS NO CHANCE! It's also state sponsored. The fast food industry has to label their product with nutritional information. The gambling industry LIES and is not transparent at all with their product.

 

Most people know that gambling vast sums of money is... a gamble. The saying, "The house always wins" exists for a reason, and most people understand why. So, basically, you'll be fine with gambling if they say something like...

WARNING: Compulsive gambling can lead to losing everything you have ever owned. 

I'm fine with that, but it's not going to stop people from gambling away everything they own just like nutrition information isn't going to stop a food addict from eating awful food. 

Most people who start gambling start small. They win and think they are good. They bet more money to win more. They win. They bet even more. Eventually they lose and keep betting big and keep losing. No one starts out with vast sums from the start.
 I would like a warning like that. It will stop more people from ruining their lives, although it wont help those already affected.

 

Even with a small sum of money the risk of losing it all is pretty much implied. I don't think a warning like that would do much at all. Warnings haven't really done much to slow down the sale of cigarettes. Nutrition information on McDonalds hasn't really slowed down business. Education is the best prevention. Not some arbitrary warning that the majority of people will outright ignore. 

  Loktofeit

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5/12/13 10:53:27 PM#30
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

That's the problem I have with the OP's stance here, however I think I've come to the end of my interest in this thread as it seems he is only here to warn us and not to actually discuss the topic.

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 10:54:26 PM#31
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

./rolls eyes.

 

what about the tax revenue it provides to local economy ?

 

I mean you layed out all the negatives, let's be fair. Make a list of the positives too. It's only fair to have a clear perspective.

 

so tell us, now, what are the poitives of gambling ?


The positives are a small amount of money captured by the state and some petty jobs.

And the negatives are a couple losers wasting some money.

seems balanced.

  Loktofeit

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5/12/13 10:55:12 PM#32
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Magiknight

I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. The gambling industry lies, cheats, and steals. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

If advertising for everything else is regulated, what makes you think that advertising for gambling wouldn't be?

Look at their ads..... Everyone of them says the same thing.  "You'll be a winner!" But NO ONE is.

What video game gambling ads or US gambling ads are you referring to that say this? 

 

There are no ads for video game gambling yet. I'm talking about ads for any other form of gambling.


Which is why the question asked "or US gambling ads", and with that you've proven you're either extremely obtuse or just plain trolling. Have a great night. o/

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  User Deleted
5/12/13 10:55:22 PM#33
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

./rolls eyes.

 

what about the tax revenue it provides to local economy ?

 

I mean you layed out all the negatives, let's be fair. Make a list of the positives too. It's only fair to have a clear perspective.

 

so tell us, now, what are the poitives of gambling ?


The positives are a small amount of money captured by the state and some petty jobs.

And the negatives are a couple losers wasting some money.

seems balanced.

A child's life being destroyed from having gambling addicts for parents is balanced?

  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 10:55:44 PM#34
Originally posted by InsaneDalek
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by Robokapp you can't lose something unless you bet it.   if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.   gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.
Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."
I understand this fully.

 

 

People are responsible for their actions.


 

False.

Some people do have problems with gambling. aka addiction.

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

Fast food, alcohol, etc, are all labeled and advertised more appropriately. Also, obesity on the scale we are seeing it is only a recent development. It didn't exist on this scale before because society couldn't provide for that many people to be obese. It's a societal problem as well as a personal one.

  simsalabim77

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5/12/13 10:55:54 PM#35
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 10:57:01 PM#36
Originally posted by fayknaym
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

./rolls eyes.

 

what about the tax revenue it provides to local economy ?

 

I mean you layed out all the negatives, let's be fair. Make a list of the positives too. It's only fair to have a clear perspective.

 

so tell us, now, what are the poitives of gambling ?


The positives are a small amount of money captured by the state and some petty jobs.

And the negatives are a couple losers wasting some money.

seems balanced.

A child's life being destroyed from having gambling addicts for parents is balanced?

Wasting money? I know someone who spent 3 million on one machine. He lives in a town of about 30,000 people. The community probably could have used that money.

  Nitth

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5/12/13 10:58:03 PM#37


Originally posted by InsaneDalek
Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Some people really do have medically diagnosed self control problems. Which is what im arguing here. But generally people are responsible for their own destinies.


Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

I don't care on this particular topic, I think if people are old enough to legally gamble then they can. However there is merits on both sides of the argument.


It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

Arguments like this always fall into hypocrisy when the argument is in direct opposition to something you hold dear or feel strongly about.


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  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 10:58:13 PM#38
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 10:58:34 PM#39
Originally posted by fayknaym
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

./rolls eyes.

 

what about the tax revenue it provides to local economy ?

 

I mean you layed out all the negatives, let's be fair. Make a list of the positives too. It's only fair to have a clear perspective.

 

so tell us, now, what are the poitives of gambling ?


The positives are a small amount of money captured by the state and some petty jobs.

And the negatives are a couple losers wasting some money.

seems balanced.

A child's life being destroyed from having gambling addicts for parents is balanced?

If a child's life is possible because his parents got a job and can sustain him...sure.

 

It's sad that i have to do counter-propaganda just to keep this thread objective but that's where we are...

  simsalabim77

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5/12/13 10:59:39 PM#40
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.

 

Guess they'll have to dust themselves off and start over by first taking responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the casinos. 

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