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  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 10:18:22 PM#1

According to an article in the May 2013 issue of Gameinformer "... it appears inevitable that online gambling in video games is the next revenue frontier." Right now this form of gambling is banned in the United States. Lobbying groups, ie the American Gaming Association (the devil), are lobbying to legalize this form of gambling. Believe it or not, they are lobbying to legalize all forms of gambling including sports betting. In 2004 the US video game industry was worth 10.4 Billion. In 2012 the US gambling industry raked in AT LEAST 30 Billion from just its top , the actual figure is probably closer to 100 Billion.

Fifty years ago gambling was illegal everywhere except Nevada. Now it's only illegal in Hawaii and Utah. Almost every single state has more gambling being added (casinos, lotteries, etc). Their purpose is to generate revenue for the state and federal government. The industry and the government then makes lots of money. They say this money will go to schools and social programs. This is almost never the case. Every state that has added casinos to help their local economies have not increased funding for their schools.

What DOES happen is people lose everything they have. It's not isolated. There are 8 million Americans who at least can not keep up with their bills due to gambling. Some of them are MILLIONS in debt. Many of them turn to robbery, bankruptcy, suicide, murder, divorce, etc. Expanding gambling does nothing except create more of these people who are a liability to society.

Would you be OK with playing a game online that takes your money of pays you based on whether you score or get a kill? Maybe it's $10  for a single thing you do. Maybe you bet $100 on the game. Maybe you bet $1000 on winning and the enemy getting 0 kills or 0 points. There will be no end to how much you can lose once you start.

I am interested to see if the gaming industry and its players will allow and want for this to happen.

 

Edit: search youtube for "Stop Predatory Gambling"

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 10:21:57 PM#2

you can't lose something unless you bet it.

 

if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.

 

gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.

 

In South Korea there's been quite a few scandals involving starcrat players throwing games for part of the betting pool...aka rigging games.

 

with the rise of e-sports, e-sport gambling is inevitable. And since video games are global, USA can't stop it.

  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 10:23:58 PM#3
Originally posted by Robokapp

you can't lose something unless you bet it.

 

if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.

 

gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.

Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."

 

So you are for more than 8 Million Americans losing everything?

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 10:25:44 PM#4
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

you can't lose something unless you bet it.

 

if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.

 

gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.

Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."

I understand this fully.

 

but similarly nobody started out as "i'm going to be a mass murderer" either. People are responsible for their actions.

 

It's part of the basic principle of freedom to allow people to try and fail.

 

edit: why are americans the only ones being adressed here ? gambling is global.

  Nitth

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Joined: 7/29/10
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5/12/13 10:29:38 PM#5


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by Robokapp you can't lose something unless you bet it.   if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.   gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.
Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."
I understand this fully.

 

People are responsible for their actions.


False.

Some people do have problems with gambling. aka addiction.


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  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 744

 
OP  5/12/13 10:31:08 PM#6
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

you can't lose something unless you bet it.

 

if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.

 

gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.

Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."

I understand this fully.

 

but similarly nobody started out as "i'm going to be a mass murderer" either. People are responsible for their actions.

 

It's part of the basic principle of freedom to allow people to try and fail.

 

edit: why are americans the only ones being adressed here ? gambling is global.


The magazine article was about video game gambling in America. Like you said, it's already legal elsewhere.

How can you compare a mass murderer to a gambler?

Freedom has NOTHING to do with gambling. Being exploited economically has nothing to do with freedom. Freedom is being responsible to ourselves. I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. The gambling industry lies, cheats, and steals. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4589

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 10:32:32 PM#7
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by Robokapp you can't lose something unless you bet it.   if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.   gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.
Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."
I understand this fully.

 

 

People are responsible for their actions.



 

False.

Some people do have problems with gambling. aka addiction.

it remains their problem, sir.

 

I agree they have problems, I argue that those problems are theirs.

 

I don't think we're saying different things here. Gambling addiction has been around since the roman empire, perhaps earlier.

 

@Magiknight: why do you ask our opinions if you're not interested in hearing anyone's opinion but your own ?

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 744

 
OP  5/12/13 10:33:40 PM#8
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by Robokapp you can't lose something unless you bet it.   if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.   gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.
Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."
I understand this fully.

 

 

People are responsible for their actions.



 

False.

Some people do have problems with gambling. aka addiction.

it remains their problem, sir.

 

I agree they have problems, I argue that those problems are theirs.

 

I don't think we're saying different things here. Gambling addiction has been around since the roman empire, perhaps earlier.

But it is not just addiction we are talking about. It's exploitation of these people by federally regulated programs. The government, sworn to serve the people, is exploiting these people will gambling.

Going to a shady place and gambling is a whole different story.

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12113

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Wildstar, and Combat Arms

5/12/13 10:34:01 PM#9
Originally posted by Magiknight

According to an article in the May 2013 issue of Gameinformer "... it appears inevitable that online gambling in video games is the next revenue frontier." Right now this form of gambling is banned in the United States. Lobbying groups, ie the American Gaming Association (the devil), are lobbying to legalize this form of gambling. Believe it or not, they are lobbying to legalize all forms of gambling including sports betting. In 2004 the US video game industry was worth 10.4 Billion. In 2012 the US gambling industry raked in AT LEAST 30 Billion from just its top , the actual figure is probably closer to 100 Billion.

Fifty years ago gambling was illegal everywhere except Nevada. Now it's only illegal in Hawaii and Utah. Almost every single state has more gambling being added (casinos, lotteries, etc). Their purpose is to generate revenue for the state and federal government. The industry and the government then makes lots of money. They say this money will go to schools and social programs. This is almost never the case. Every state that has added casinos to help their local economies have not increased funding for their schools.

What DOES happen is people lose everything they have. It's not isolated. There are 8 million Americans who at least can not keep up with their bills due to gambling. Some of them are MILLIONS in debt. Many of them turn to robbery, bankruptcy, suicide, murder, divorce, etc. Expanding gambling does nothing except create more of these people who are a liability to society.

Would you be OK with playing a game online that takes your money of pays you based on whether you score or get a kill? Maybe it's $10  for a single thing you do. Maybe you bet $100 on the game. Maybe you bet $1000 on winning and the enemy getting 0 kills or 0 points. There will be no end to how much you can lose once you start.

I am interested to see if the gaming industry and its players will allow and want for this to happen.

 

Edit: search youtube for "Stop Problem Gambling"


I'm not one for gambling with RL cash, but I wouldn't stand in the way of someone else's right to take part in it if they enjoy it.

 

"Expanding gambling does nothing except create more of these people who are a liability to society."

"There will be no end to how much you can lose once you start."

 

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fovoroth

  simsalabim77

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Joined: 4/27/13
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5/12/13 10:34:13 PM#10
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

you can't lose something unless you bet it.

 

if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.

 

gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.

Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."

I understand this fully.

 

but similarly nobody started out as "i'm going to be a mass murderer" either. People are responsible for their actions.

 

It's part of the basic principle of freedom to allow people to try and fail.

 

edit: why are americans the only ones being adressed here ? gambling is global.


The magazine article was about video game gambling in America. Like you said, it's already legal elsewhere.

How can you compare a mass murderer to a gambler?

Freedom has NOTHING to do with gambling. Being exploited economically has nothing to do with freedom. Freedom is being responsible to ourselves. I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. They lie, cheat, and steal. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

 

Gambling implies the chance to lose. I have no remorse for people who fall prey to it. Some obese people have food addictions, but I still hold them accountable for actually putting the food in their mouth in the first place. 

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 744

 
OP  5/12/13 10:35:25 PM#11
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by Robokapp you can't lose something unless you bet it.   if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.   gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.
Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."
I understand this fully.

 

 

People are responsible for their actions.



 

False.

Some people do have problems with gambling. aka addiction.

it remains their problem, sir.

 

I agree they have problems, I argue that those problems are theirs.

 

I don't think we're saying different things here. Gambling addiction has been around since the roman empire, perhaps earlier.

 

@Magiknight: why do you ask our opinions if you're not interested in hearing anyone's opinion but your own ?

I can ask and argue with it...

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 744

 
OP  5/12/13 10:37:05 PM#12
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

you can't lose something unless you bet it.

 

if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.

 

gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.

Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."

I understand this fully.

 

but similarly nobody started out as "i'm going to be a mass murderer" either. People are responsible for their actions.

 

It's part of the basic principle of freedom to allow people to try and fail.

 

edit: why are americans the only ones being adressed here ? gambling is global.


The magazine article was about video game gambling in America. Like you said, it's already legal elsewhere.

How can you compare a mass murderer to a gambler?

Freedom has NOTHING to do with gambling. Being exploited economically has nothing to do with freedom. Freedom is being responsible to ourselves. I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. They lie, cheat, and steal. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

 

Gambling implies the chance to lose. I have no remorse for people who fall prey to it. Some obese people have food addictions, but I still hold them accountable for actually putting the food in their mouth in the first place. 

Again, no one is getting it. You're GUARANTEED to lose if you play long term. THERE IS NO CHANCE! It's also state sponsored. The fast food industry has to label their product with nutritional information. The gambling industry LIES and is not transparent at all with their product.

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4589

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 10:37:08 PM#13
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by Robokapp you can't lose something unless you bet it.   if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.   gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.
Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."
I understand this fully.

 

 

People are responsible for their actions.



 

False.

Some people do have problems with gambling. aka addiction.

it remains their problem, sir.

 

I agree they have problems, I argue that those problems are theirs.

 

I don't think we're saying different things here. Gambling addiction has been around since the roman empire, perhaps earlier.

But it is not just addiction we are talking about. It's exploitation of these people by federally regulated programs. The government, sworn to serve the people, is exploiting these people will gambling.

Going to a shady place and gambling is a whole different story.

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 744

 
OP  5/12/13 10:38:25 PM#14
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by Robokapp you can't lose something unless you bet it.   if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.   gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.
Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."
I understand this fully.

 

 

People are responsible for their actions.



 

False.

Some people do have problems with gambling. aka addiction.

it remains their problem, sir.

 

I agree they have problems, I argue that those problems are theirs.

 

I don't think we're saying different things here. Gambling addiction has been around since the roman empire, perhaps earlier.

But it is not just addiction we are talking about. It's exploitation of these people by federally regulated programs. The government, sworn to serve the people, is exploiting these people will gambling.

Going to a shady place and gambling is a whole different story.

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

  Robokapp

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5/12/13 10:41:09 PM#15
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

  simsalabim77

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5/12/13 10:42:00 PM#16
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

you can't lose something unless you bet it.

 

if you want no part in gambling, you can choose not to participate.

 

gambling, particularly sport gambling has been there for hundreds of years outside the USA.

Everyone think their in control of their betting until they've lost everything. No one started gambling saying "I'm going to lose everything."

I understand this fully.

 

but similarly nobody started out as "i'm going to be a mass murderer" either. People are responsible for their actions.

 

It's part of the basic principle of freedom to allow people to try and fail.

 

edit: why are americans the only ones being adressed here ? gambling is global.


The magazine article was about video game gambling in America. Like you said, it's already legal elsewhere.

How can you compare a mass murderer to a gambler?

Freedom has NOTHING to do with gambling. Being exploited economically has nothing to do with freedom. Freedom is being responsible to ourselves. I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. They lie, cheat, and steal. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

 

Gambling implies the chance to lose. I have no remorse for people who fall prey to it. Some obese people have food addictions, but I still hold them accountable for actually putting the food in their mouth in the first place. 

Again, no one is getting it. You're GUARANTEED to lose if you play long term. THERE IS NO CHANCE! It's also state sponsored. The fast food industry has to label their product with nutritional information. The gambling industry LIES and is not transparent at all with their product.

 

Most people know that gambling vast sums of money is... a gamble. The saying, "The house always wins" exists for a reason, and most people understand why. So, basically, you'll be fine with gambling if they say something like...

WARNING: Compulsive gambling can lead to losing everything you have ever owned. 

I'm fine with that, but it's not going to stop people from gambling away everything they own just like nutrition information isn't going to stop a food addict from eating awful food. 

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5/12/13 10:44:18 PM#17
Originally posted by Magiknight

I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. The gambling industry lies, cheats, and steals. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

If advertising for everything else is regulated, what makes you think that advertising for gambling wouldn't be?

 

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  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 10:45:07 PM#18
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 10:46:12 PM#19
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Magiknight

I don't know where you live but where I live I can't open a newspaper or drive down the highway without looking at gambling. Each place I look tells me I will be a winner. I know the reality is that EVERYONE who gamblers long term is a loser. The gambling industry lies, cheats, and steals. Cigarette manufacturers have to  label their products as deadly. Alcohol containers have warnings and you always see "drink responsibly." The gambling industry preys on people and has no remorse. It's exploitation, not freedom.

If advertising for everything else is regulated, what makes you think that advertising for gambling wouldn't be?

 

 

Look at their ads..... Everyone of them says the same thing.  "You'll be a winner!" But NO ONE is.

  Robokapp

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5/12/13 10:47:15 PM#20

the thought of a cyber-prohibition just crossed my mind...and it was hilarious.

 

I can see the line of bicycles each with a laptop in their basket trying to cross into Canada to play online poker.

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