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  SavageHorizon

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5/12/13 12:40:40 PM#21

Not being big headed but i have plenty of cash to buy what i want when i want, no matter what it is. When it comes to mmo's i would rather put time and effort into obtaining items, i've bought a few outfits in TSW but that's all i have bought. I don't have a lot of time either  but i have no problem waiting even if it means i'm only playing one day a week.

 

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  Drakynn

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5/12/13 12:43:42 PM#22
Originally posted by SavageHorizon

Not being big headed but i have plenty of cash to buy what i want when i want, no matter what it is. When it comes to mmo's i would rather put time and effort into obtaining items, i've bought a few outfits in TSW but that's all i have bought. I don't have a lot of time either  but i have no problem waiting even if it means i'm only playing one day a week.

 

I agree with you....I have the cash to spend on these games but I buy games to play and enjoy not buy my way through.I prefer to spend my money on other real things or save it to buy expensive toys or give to charity.

  SavageHorizon

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5/12/13 12:48:33 PM#23
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by SavageHorizon

Not being big headed but i have plenty of cash to buy what i want when i want, no matter what it is. When it comes to mmo's i would rather put time and effort into obtaining items, i've bought a few outfits in TSW but that's all i have bought. I don't have a lot of time either  but i have no problem waiting even if it means i'm only playing one day a week.

 

I agree with you....I have the cash to spend on these games but I buy games to play and enjoy not buy my way through.I prefer to spend my money on other real things or save it to buy expensive toys or give to charity.

I agree. How can anyone actually have any satisfaction knowing they have bought their way through the game, it's a false economy.

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  Myrdynn

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5/12/13 12:53:16 PM#24

I dont consider what the OP is doing to be P2W, its pay for him to save time and do what he enjoys.  Pay2win to me only involves spending real money to purchase something that cannot be acheived by spending time playing the game.  He doesnt have much time, yet wants to be competetive in WvWvW, I have zero issue with it

 

  Aeander

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5/12/13 12:55:44 PM#25
Originally posted by Madimorga

All these fans of pay to win make it sound like it's a matter of time versus money but most of the world's adults are short on both.  Therefore it's a matter of two minority groups:  rich people and really poor people with a lot of time on their hands, lording it over those who have neither a lot of time nor a lot of money.  

 

So no, I strongly dislike pay to win and games like Eve and Guild Wars 2 that allow players to buy currency.  Because currency is always power in an MMO, else why bother having it?

That's funny because max stat gear is not at all difficult to obtain in Guild Wars 2. What are you winning by having more currency? Skins? 

 

The really amusing part is that your avatar represents TSW, which sells content expansions, one of which has a bloody auxiliary weapon attached to it. Yep, a (strong) auxiliary that you can only get through purchased content. THAT'S pay-to-win.

  stragen001

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5/12/13 12:57:24 PM#26

I really dont get people who "Pay to Win" whether that is buying gear or xp boosts or whatever. 

If you want to play an MMO, then PLAY THE MMO, why are you paying to NOT play the MMO?

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  Wizardry

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5/12/13 1:00:12 PM#27
You OP miss the whole point of gaming >>>FUN.It is not about grind or how long it takes,it is how fun it is.If you feel you need to speed up your gaming experience,then you are simply in the wrong game because apparently it is not as fun as you are telling yourself.You are placing a FUN value based on how fast and how much you can spend.I am quite certain if you look up the definition of FUN neither reason quantifies FUN.

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  Jacxolope

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5/12/13 1:02:52 PM#28
Originally posted by Myrdynn

I dont consider what the OP is doing to be P2W, its pay for him to save time and do what he enjoys.  Pay2win to me only involves spending real money to purchase something that cannot be acheived by spending time playing the game.  He doesnt have much time, yet wants to be competetive in WvWvW, I have zero issue with it

 

Why play an RPG then?

An RPG has always been about "progression"- Why play if you are paying to avoid one of the points of the genre? Why not play a game with no progression (since you do not have time to progress) where there are no levels and everyone starts out on Top. Plenty of MMOs like that- Why bring that to mmoRPG's?

If I hate leveling (I do not) why would I play Final fantasy 6? I wouldnt- I would choose a game that didnt require progression or have RPG overtones- I would play something else- Why does out genre have to accept this and change to suit people who really do not want this genre of game to begin with?

  DamonVile

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5/12/13 1:07:26 PM#29
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by Myrdynn

I dont consider what the OP is doing to be P2W, its pay for him to save time and do what he enjoys.  Pay2win to me only involves spending real money to purchase something that cannot be acheived by spending time playing the game.  He doesnt have much time, yet wants to be competetive in WvWvW, I have zero issue with it

 

Why play an RPG then?

An RPG has always been about "progression"- Why play if you are paying to avoid one of the points of the genre? Why not play a game with no progression (since you do not have time to progress) where there are no levels and everyone starts out on Top. Plenty of MMOs like that- Why bring that to mmoRPG's?

If I hate leveling (I do not) why would I play Final fantasy 6? I wouldnt- I would choose a game that didnt require progression or have RPG overtones- I would play something else- Why does out genre have to accept this and change to suit people who really do not want this genre of game to begin with?

People should know better than to question what fun is. Not everyone loves to lvl. Some people really only want to raid or pvp at end game. Considering how long it takes to lvl now days vrs how long people will spend at max lvl I'd rather question why ppl are forced to lvl not why ppl want to skip it.

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  Jacxolope

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5/12/13 1:16:11 PM#30
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by Myrdynn

I dont consider what the OP is doing to be P2W, its pay for him to save time and do what he enjoys.  Pay2win to me only involves spending real money to purchase something that cannot be acheived by spending time playing the game.  He doesnt have much time, yet wants to be competetive in WvWvW, I have zero issue with it

 

Why play an RPG then?

An RPG has always been about "progression"- Why play if you are paying to avoid one of the points of the genre? Why not play a game with no progression (since you do not have time to progress) where there are no levels and everyone starts out on Top. Plenty of MMOs like that- Why bring that to mmoRPG's?

If I hate leveling (I do not) why would I play Final fantasy 6? I wouldnt- I would choose a game that didnt require progression or have RPG overtones- I would play something else- Why does out genre have to accept this and change to suit people who really do not want this genre of game to begin with?

People should know better than to question what fun is. Not everyone loves to lvl. Some people really only want to raid or pvp at end game. Considering how long it takes to lvl now days vrs how long people will spend at max lvl I'd rather question why ppl are forced to lvl not why ppl want to skip it.

I think its boring trying to hit a ball when the Pitcher throws it.

I would rather be able to just do the running part.

Lets change baseball to be only running because that would be more fun for me- We will still call it baseball though.

-In other words- Why are playing an RPG to begin with? If its only about endgame why not play a game with no levels or gear or a persistent world? There are a myriad of games which let you "jump right in"- Hell, I enjoy TF2 and other games but I do not try to make them add a persistent world and leveling with raids because its NOT THAT TYPE OF GAME.

  VengeSunsoar

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5/12/13 1:19:16 PM#31
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by Myrdynn

I dont consider what the OP is doing to be P2W, its pay for him to save time and do what he enjoys.  Pay2win to me only involves spending real money to purchase something that cannot be acheived by spending time playing the game.  He doesnt have much time, yet wants to be competetive in WvWvW, I have zero issue with it

 

Why play an RPG then?

An RPG has always been about "progression"- Why play if you are paying to avoid one of the points of the genre? Why not play a game with no progression (since you do not have time to progress) where there are no levels and everyone starts out on Top. Plenty of MMOs like that- Why bring that to mmoRPG's?

If I hate leveling (I do not) why would I play Final fantasy 6? I wouldnt- I would choose a game that didnt require progression or have RPG overtones- I would play something else- Why does out genre have to accept this and change to suit people who really do not want this genre of game to begin with?

People should know better than to question what fun is. Not everyone loves to lvl. Some people really only want to raid or pvp at end game. Considering how long it takes to lvl now days vrs how long people will spend at max lvl I'd rather question why ppl are forced to lvl not why ppl want to skip it.

I think its boring trying to hit a ball when the Pitcher throws it.

I would rather be able to just do the running part.

Lets change baseball to be only running because that would be more fun for me- We will still call it baseball though.

-In other words- Why are playing an RPG to begin with? If its only about endgame why not play a game with no levels or gear or a persistent world? There are a myriad of games which let you "jump right in"- Hell, I enjoy TF2 and other games but I do not try to make them add a persistent world and leveling with raids because its NOT THAT TYPE OF GAME.

Np.  I've played many games where we did that.  Subbed batters and runners all the time.  Great fun. 

Then of course you can play scrimmage which doesn't even involve teams.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Jacxolope

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5/12/13 1:20:54 PM#32
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by Myrdynn

I dont consider what the OP is doing to be P2W, its pay for him to save time and do what he enjoys.  Pay2win to me only involves spending real money to purchase something that cannot be acheived by spending time playing the game.  He doesnt have much time, yet wants to be competetive in WvWvW, I have zero issue with it

 

Why play an RPG then?

An RPG has always been about "progression"- Why play if you are paying to avoid one of the points of the genre? Why not play a game with no progression (since you do not have time to progress) where there are no levels and everyone starts out on Top. Plenty of MMOs like that- Why bring that to mmoRPG's?

If I hate leveling (I do not) why would I play Final fantasy 6? I wouldnt- I would choose a game that didnt require progression or have RPG overtones- I would play something else- Why does out genre have to accept this and change to suit people who really do not want this genre of game to begin with?

People should know better than to question what fun is. Not everyone loves to lvl. Some people really only want to raid or pvp at end game. Considering how long it takes to lvl now days vrs how long people will spend at max lvl I'd rather question why ppl are forced to lvl not why ppl want to skip it.

I think its boring trying to hit a ball when the Pitcher throws it.

I would rather be able to just do the running part.

Lets change baseball to be only running because that would be more fun for me- We will still call it baseball though.

-In other words- Why are playing an RPG to begin with? If its only about endgame why not play a game with no levels or gear or a persistent world? There are a myriad of games which let you "jump right in"- Hell, I enjoy TF2 and other games but I do not try to make them add a persistent world and leveling with raids because its NOT THAT TYPE OF GAME.

Np.  I've played many games where we did that.  Subbed batters and runners all the time.  Great fun. 

Sure but you didnt throw down a $5 bill to pretend you got a hit.

The running/batting was still a part of the game- 

EDIT- I find it absurd you argue the point . You are playing a game based on progression. You do not like progression. Why play the game?

  VengeSunsoar

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5/12/13 1:22:30 PM#33

But it was a part that, for whatever reason, someone decided they didn't want to do that part.

Kind like MMO's.

 edit - maybe for them, the progression is only a small part of the game.  Thats the thing with MMO's there are enough activities to let you pick and choose where you spend the majority of your time.

If someone wants to run dungeons all day and the game allows it.  np.  Be at end-game and run raids.  I don't care, go for it.  Right now in Istaria I'm crafting, been crafting for weeks, totally ignoring the other options why?  Because I like it and the game allows it.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Jacxolope

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5/12/13 1:26:06 PM#34
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

But it was a part that, for whatever reason, someone decided they didn't want to do that part.

Kind like MMO's.

No. Not really...

But you are talking about MMOs (per your quote) I am talking about MMORPG's. You are trying to complety bypass the RPG part (which is the genre) because you dont think its fun. Cool, go play an MMO. They are there and no need to worry about the RPG issue.

Do not BUY your way ahead of someone actually playing the game. 

-This is maddening. Not sure if its a generational thing or rather one of gaming being mainstream...

EDIT regarding crafting and having things to do- Totally agree. in UO I was a non combat crafter/builder. I hate PVP. PVP was part of the game so I would have to pay for escorts to places I needed to visit (like bodyguards)- If I could have paid for instant transport it would have completley screwed up the "world" and the risk vs reward. Granted, I did NOT think getting killed an looted was fun but I understood it made the game have a real sense of accomplishment and of terror at times-

Sometimes we all have to put up with things that are not "fun" to us . Paying to pass those parts is cheating and unfair and ruins the game world.

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5/12/13 1:27:46 PM#35
Originally posted by muchavez

When I was in high school / college I used to hate p2w and liked sub games because I had a lot more time than money and thought that those that worked (lol) the hardest got the best gear.

Now that i have graduated.  I am currently working 2 jobs and at this point in my life I have more money than time.  Honestly, I like p2w.  I don't have the time to grind all day.  I currently play eve online and GW2 and every weekend I buy 2 timecards and $50 worth of gems to finance my fleet of BS's in eve and get good gear in GW2 for some fun weekend pvp.

Anyone else in this situation?

I don't like P2W.

It has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with the fact that if someone spends more time and works harder in the game, then he or she should have the advantage.

I played Diablo 3 longer than I should have. I had a fantastic DH. It took months and months to acquire my gear, as I did so through purely in-game effort. However, after learning how players can simply toss in $100-200 bucks via RMAH, they can hit just as hard and fast as me...instantly and without effort.

That killed it for me. I know we all play games differently, but I miss the days of everything in the game should be obtainable through only in the game.

 

I'm glad Diablo 3 backfired.

  VengeSunsoar

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5/12/13 1:27:49 PM#36
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

But it was a part that, for whatever reason, someone decided they didn't want to do that part.

Kind like MMO's.

No. Not really...

But you are talking about MMOs (per your quote) I am talking about MMORPG's. You are trying to complety bypass the RPG part (which is the genre) because you dont think its fun. Cool, go play an MMO. They are there and no need to worry about the RPG issue.

Do not BUY your way ahead of someone actually playing the game. 

-This is maddening. Not sure if its a generational thing or rather one of gaming being mainstream...

 If the game allows me to, and I like it.  I will spend my time playing the parts of the game I like and ignoring the other parts.  If that is leveling, so be it.

diablo 3 didn't back fire.  It sold 10million + units and continues to this day.

It continued to sell very well months after launch, far beyond word of mouth.  and has about a million daily players.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Jacxolope

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5/12/13 1:31:08 PM#37
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

But it was a part that, for whatever reason, someone decided they didn't want to do that part.

Kind like MMO's.

No. Not really...

But you are talking about MMOs (per your quote) I am talking about MMORPG's. You are trying to complety bypass the RPG part (which is the genre) because you dont think its fun. Cool, go play an MMO. They are there and no need to worry about the RPG issue.

Do not BUY your way ahead of someone actually playing the game. 

-This is maddening. Not sure if its a generational thing or rather one of gaming being mainstream...

 If the game allows me to, and I like it.  I will spend my time playing the parts of the game I like and ignoring the other parts.  If that is leveling, so be it.

diablo 3 didn't back fire.  It sold 10million + units and continues to this day.

It continued to sell very well months after launch, far beyond word of mouth. 

-See my edit. I agree.

But to pay money to pass those parts up rather than just avoid them is the issue.

  Jacxolope

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5/12/13 1:35:38 PM#38
Originally posted by Dauzqul
Originally posted by muchavez

When I was in high school / college I used to hate p2w and liked sub games because I had a lot more time than money and thought that those that worked (lol) the hardest got the best gear.

Now that i have graduated.  I am currently working 2 jobs and at this point in my life I have more money than time.  Honestly, I like p2w.  I don't have the time to grind all day.  I currently play eve online and GW2 and every weekend I buy 2 timecards and $50 worth of gems to finance my fleet of BS's in eve and get good gear in GW2 for some fun weekend pvp.

Anyone else in this situation?

I don't like P2W.

It has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with the fact that if someone spends more time and works harder in the game, then he or she should have the advantage.

I played Diablo 3 longer than I should have. I had a fantastic DH. It took months and months to acquire my gear, as I did so through purely in-game effort. However, after learning how players can simply toss in $100-200 bucks via RMAH, they can hit just as hard and fast as me...instantly and without effort.

That killed it for me. I know we all play games differently, but I miss the days of everything in the game should be obtainable through only in the game.

 

I'm glad Diablo 3 backfired.

-That is the point in essence.

If someone spends more time and practices more they SHOULD be rewarded. There should be no "shortcuts" to pass them up without putting in the time.

If someone wants to go on welfare and spend 24/7 on WOW and that is their lives accomplishment- They SHOULD be far better than me . I shouldnt be able to just plunk down some cash and essentially monetize their effort (lol, you spent 24 to get what I bought for $15.00- now your time has a price)

It takes the fun from the game of being able to actually want to be good and known in the game world. Its also counter productive to a community (of which I have not seen a decent community since the early days of EQ2 and on a few smaller MMOs like Ryzom)

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5/12/13 1:36:07 PM#39
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

But it was a part that, for whatever reason, someone decided they didn't want to do that part.

Kind like MMO's.

No. Not really...

But you are talking about MMOs (per your quote) I am talking about MMORPG's. You are trying to complety bypass the RPG part (which is the genre) because you dont think its fun. Cool, go play an MMO. They are there and no need to worry about the RPG issue.

Do not BUY your way ahead of someone actually playing the game. 

-This is maddening. Not sure if its a generational thing or rather one of gaming being mainstream...

 If the game allows me to, and I like it.  I will spend my time playing the parts of the game I like and ignoring the other parts.  If that is leveling, so be it.

diablo 3 didn't back fire.  It sold 10million + units and continues to this day.

It continued to sell very well months after launch, far beyond word of mouth. 

-See my edit. I agree.

But to pay money to pass those parts up rather than just avoid them is the issue.

 I can see you view, just don't' entirely agree with it.

Early in WoW you needed to be lvl 40 and have 100 gold to get a mount.  Some people said that was easy getting that gold, I didn't find it so.  I never bought any gear, armor... saved all my money and by the time I hit 40, had 10 gold.  I wanted the mount so spent a week grinding away to get that 100 gold, the most boring, horrible bit of gaming I've ever done, but I continued because I wanted the mount.  This was the game design, IMO that totally sucked.

I swore I would never do that again. 

So, today if I want to play the end game, because I really like that part of the game (never actually been to end game so just go with the idea) and find the actual leveling part boring I will just play another game, but if the devs give me a way to do just that, I'll do it.  Hmm kinda like ala carte f2p. 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

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5/12/13 1:36:46 PM#40

I see the EVE thing. I see why you would spend money to get a billion isk every once in a while. But why would you spend money on GW2 for some fun weekends of PvP? sPvP gives you top gear and everything on it at level 1. In WvW you would have to be 80 to compete at the top level anyway by which time you would have made enough money/tokens for top gear anyway.

 

Is it that you like a lot of different types of gear for various builds? I can see that, but you actually earn quite a lot of dough through WvW as well. I like that people spend money in GW2 because it drops the price of cash shop currency, but it just seems like such a strange game to drop money on for PvP specifically.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

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