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  apanz3r

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Joined: 11/17/11
Posts: 281

 
OP  5/12/13 1:26:53 PM#41
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Buy PLEX with real money.

Sell PLEX for ISK.

Buy anything in game with ISK.

 

So this is already in the game, what's the point of this thread?

Good point. But i would pay hundreds of $ per month to pvp. Either is something affordable and convenient or i will keep giving money to other games.

A billion isk is a lot of pvp rifters.

What exactly are you asking for here considering what you want is already possible?  I mean, do you want free ships and the game to be an arena style combat sim?

Well eve is already an arena. Just a big one.

So in this respect yes, i would want free ships to pvp. Not the best ones, some middle class.

I don;t want to NEED to have 2-3 alts to do anything in eve. I want 1 account, extra fee for gold ships or maybe some special insurance. And i want to pvp not so spin ship or to boring stuff like running mission over and over again. In which the only challenge is how fast you can make them.

  kadepsyson

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Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

5/12/13 1:29:44 PM#42
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Buy PLEX with real money.

Sell PLEX for ISK.

Buy anything in game with ISK.

 

So this is already in the game, what's the point of this thread?

Good point. But i would pay hundreds of $ per month to pvp. Either is something affordable and convenient or i will keep giving money to other games.

A billion isk is a lot of pvp rifters.

What exactly are you asking for here considering what you want is already possible?  I mean, do you want free ships and the game to be an arena style combat sim?

Well eve is already an arena. Just a big one.

So in this respect yes, i would want free ships to pvp. Not the best ones, some middle class.

I don;t want to NEED to have 2-3 alts to do anything in eve. I want 1 account, extra fee for gold ships or maybe some special insurance. And i want to pvp not so spin ship or to boring stuff like running mission over and over again. In which the only challenge is how fast you can make them.

Why do you want to play EVE then?  Why not a different space game that is more like unreal tournament with spaceships?

 

With PLEX you can have thousands of PVP ships in a moment, but that's not good enough yet for you?  I mean, why not just go play a different game really because even the things that get you ships for real money aren't what you want despite you asking for it.

 

If you'd like me to link you worse space games that offer you unsatisfying combat so you can mindlessly shoot things for no reason, I"ll gladly link you to games that you seem to prefer.

El Psy Congroo

  apanz3r

Novice Member

Joined: 11/17/11
Posts: 281

 
OP  5/12/13 1:30:31 PM#43
Originally posted by sacredfool

Oooh and.... if you have limited funds, why not fly something you can afford? a well fitted frig is 5 million or so and not too bad in PvP. You can get 10 frigs per hour doing some PvP. 

 

 

Originally posted by apanz3r.

Can i be blamed that I just want to pvp ?

The thing that makes EVEs PvP so gratifying is the risk of losing a ship that has some cost assigned to it. If there no cost assigned then EVE would be pretty darn boring

Fair enough. Please name a single ship that you can kill in frig in 0.0. I think even an Iteron will kill you.

There will be always better ships in eve.  10 gang battleships will face melt 10gang battle cruisers.

One more example: do you kill ibis if you have the chance ?

  kadepsyson

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Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

5/12/13 1:31:57 PM#44
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by sacredfool

Oooh and.... if you have limited funds, why not fly something you can afford? a well fitted frig is 5 million or so and not too bad in PvP. You can get 10 frigs per hour doing some PvP. 

 

 

Originally posted by apanz3r.

Can i be blamed that I just want to pvp ?

The thing that makes EVEs PvP so gratifying is the risk of losing a ship that has some cost assigned to it. If there no cost assigned then EVE would be pretty darn boring

Fair enough. Please name a single ship that you can kill in frig in 0.0. I think even an Iteron will kill you.

There will be always better ships in eve.  10 gang battleships will face melt 10gang battle cruisers.

One more example: do you kill ibis if you have the chance ?

A mining frigate legit killed a battleship.

What do you even want?

 

Bigger ship isn't a straight advantage.  You have literally no idea what this game is about if you honestly believe that.

El Psy Congroo

  atticusbc

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Joined: 9/22/07
Posts: 1074

I hated hipsters before hating hipsters was cool.

5/12/13 1:32:22 PM#45
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by pyrofreak
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by AreWeLive

The people who provide the training are your corpmates in your new player friendly pvp corporation.  If you complain that the NPC corp or the mining maniac megacorp didn't train you in pvp, well...

EVE is about interactions between players.  If you want to know something, ask a player.  That's how it is supposed to work.  Aura does not hold your hand.

all the corps i've joined have been very unhelpful on this front. including EvEUni. moreover, my solution would allow people like me who only have a certain number of hours per day to invest in EvE and can't schedule around attending a lesson or fleet in a game to learn on their own, at their own pace.

  Chrisbox

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Joined: 7/15/10
Posts: 1627

5/12/13 1:33:44 PM#46
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by pyrofreak
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by AreWeLive

The people who provide the training are your corpmates in your new player friendly pvp corporation.  If you complain that the NPC corp or the mining maniac megacorp didn't train you in pvp, well...

EVE is about interactions between players.  If you want to know something, ask a player.  That's how it is supposed to work.  Aura does not hold your hand.

all the corps i've joined have been very unhelpful on this front. including EvEUni. moreover, my solution would allow people like me who only have a certain number of hours per day to invest in EvE and can't schedule around attending a lesson or fleet in a game to learn on their own, at their own pace.

Join a faction warfare corp, do incursions and plex's, plenty of ISK right there to go out and pvp with.  

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  kadepsyson

Novice Member

Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

5/12/13 1:34:12 PM#47
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by pyrofreak
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by AreWeLive

The people who provide the training are your corpmates in your new player friendly pvp corporation.  If you complain that the NPC corp or the mining maniac megacorp didn't train you in pvp, well...

EVE is about interactions between players.  If you want to know something, ask a player.  That's how it is supposed to work.  Aura does not hold your hand.

all the corps i've joined have been very unhelpful on this front. including EvEUni. moreover, my solution would allow people like me who only have a certain number of hours per day to invest in EvE and can't schedule around attending a lesson or fleet in a game to learn on their own, at their own pace.

Forget EVEUni and lessons.  Join a new player friend PVP corp that specifically mentions willingness to train.  Don't sit in a classroom, just ask questions, listen to advice, show your fits and ask for crtiques, and go on a roam with them even in a frigate.

Do you think a tutorial video while you sit on the couch in captains quarters would better suit this?

El Psy Congroo

  apanz3r

Novice Member

Joined: 11/17/11
Posts: 281

 
OP  5/12/13 1:35:04 PM#48
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Buy PLEX with real money.

Sell PLEX for ISK.

Buy anything in game with ISK.

 

So this is already in the game, what's the point of this thread?

Good point. But i would pay hundreds of $ per month to pvp. Either is something affordable and convenient or i will keep giving money to other games.

A billion isk is a lot of pvp rifters.

What exactly are you asking for here considering what you want is already possible?  I mean, do you want free ships and the game to be an arena style combat sim?

Well eve is already an arena. Just a big one.

So in this respect yes, i would want free ships to pvp. Not the best ones, some middle class.

I don;t want to NEED to have 2-3 alts to do anything in eve. I want 1 account, extra fee for gold ships or maybe some special insurance. And i want to pvp not so spin ship or to boring stuff like running mission over and over again. In which the only challenge is how fast you can make them.

Why do you want to play EVE then?  Why not a different space game that is more like unreal tournament with spaceships?

 

With PLEX you can have thousands of PVP ships in a moment, but that's not good enough yet for you?  I mean, why not just go play a different game really because even the things that get you ships for real money aren't what you want despite you asking for it.

 

If you'd like me to link you worse space games that offer you unsatisfying combat so you can mindlessly shoot things for no reason, I"ll gladly link you to games that you seem to prefer.

Good point. I put hopes in Star Citizen and Elite dangerous. I pledged a lot in their campaign.

Be assured next successfully mmo will put a big dent in eve player-base.

Thousands of pvp ships with plex would cost thousands of $$. No thanks. I can do better things with my money. I am not drug-addicted to eve.

 

  kadepsyson

Novice Member

Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

5/12/13 1:36:28 PM#49
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Buy PLEX with real money.

Sell PLEX for ISK.

Buy anything in game with ISK.

 

So this is already in the game, what's the point of this thread?

Good point. But i would pay hundreds of $ per month to pvp. Either is something affordable and convenient or i will keep giving money to other games.

A billion isk is a lot of pvp rifters.

What exactly are you asking for here considering what you want is already possible?  I mean, do you want free ships and the game to be an arena style combat sim?

Well eve is already an arena. Just a big one.

So in this respect yes, i would want free ships to pvp. Not the best ones, some middle class.

I don;t want to NEED to have 2-3 alts to do anything in eve. I want 1 account, extra fee for gold ships or maybe some special insurance. And i want to pvp not so spin ship or to boring stuff like running mission over and over again. In which the only challenge is how fast you can make them.

Why do you want to play EVE then?  Why not a different space game that is more like unreal tournament with spaceships?

 

With PLEX you can have thousands of PVP ships in a moment, but that's not good enough yet for you?  I mean, why not just go play a different game really because even the things that get you ships for real money aren't what you want despite you asking for it.

 

If you'd like me to link you worse space games that offer you unsatisfying combat so you can mindlessly shoot things for no reason, I"ll gladly link you to games that you seem to prefer.

Good point. I put hopes in Star Citizen and Elite dangerous. I pledged a lot in their campaign.

Be assured next successfully mmo will put a big dent in eve player-base.

Thousands of pvp ships with plex would cost thousands of $$. No thanks. I can do better things with my money. I am not drug-addicted to eve.

 

There's the truth we all were waiting for.  Why didn't you just admit you had no interest in EVE?

El Psy Congroo

  atticusbc

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Joined: 9/22/07
Posts: 1074

I hated hipsters before hating hipsters was cool.

5/12/13 1:36:46 PM#50
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by pyrofreak
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by AreWeLive

Join a faction warfare corp, do incursions and plex's, plenty of ISK right there to go out and pvp with.  

...assuming you have the time to join in their scheduled fleets. what about solo pilots though? they're out in the cold unless they want to take the massive financial risk involved in cold joining PvP.

  apanz3r

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Joined: 11/17/11
Posts: 281

 
OP  5/12/13 1:36:59 PM#51
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Buy PLEX with real money.

Sell PLEX for ISK.

Buy anything in game with ISK.

 

So this is already in the game, what's the point of this thread?

Good point. But i would pay hundreds of $ per month to pvp. Either is something affordable and convenient or i will keep giving money to other games.

A billion isk is a lot of pvp rifters.

What exactly are you asking for here considering what you want is already possible?  I mean, do you want free ships and the game to be an arena style combat sim?

Well eve is already an arena. Just a big one.

So in this respect yes, i would want free ships to pvp. Not the best ones, some middle class.

I don;t want to NEED to have 2-3 alts to do anything in eve. I want 1 account, extra fee for gold ships or maybe some special insurance. And i want to pvp not so spin ship or to boring stuff like running mission over and over again. In which the only challenge is how fast you can make them.

"Star Conflict" + google = your game. /thread

Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by AreWeLive
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Thank you for the link .

  atticusbc

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Posts: 1074

I hated hipsters before hating hipsters was cool.

5/12/13 1:38:18 PM#52
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
I am not drug-addicted to eve.

There's the truth we all were waiting for.  Why didn't you just admit you had no interest in EVE?

wait what?

  kadepsyson

Novice Member

Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

5/12/13 1:39:00 PM#53
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by pyrofreak
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by AreWeLive

Join a faction warfare corp, do incursions and plex's, plenty of ISK right there to go out and pvp with.  

...assuming you have the time to join in their scheduled fleets. what about solo pilots though? they're out in the cold unless they want to take the massive financial risk involved in cold joining PvP.

I can only understand that if you don't even have enough time to join a corporation.

You don't have to be solo - join a corporation with frequent roams and enough people to support that.  If you log in for a bit, you should be able to find one.

It's not good to force yourself to play alone in a Massively Multiplayer game that is specifically praised for player interaction.  That isn't the fault of a lack of training in PVP at all.

El Psy Congroo

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5/12/13 1:39:09 PM#54
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Buy PLEX with real money.

Sell PLEX for ISK.

Buy anything in game with ISK.

 

So this is already in the game, what's the point of this thread?

Good point. But i would pay hundreds of $ per month to pvp. Either is something affordable and convenient or i will keep giving money to other games.

A billion isk is a lot of pvp rifters.

What exactly are you asking for here considering what you want is already possible?  I mean, do you want free ships and the game to be an arena style combat sim?

Well eve is already an arena. Just a big one.

So in this respect yes, i would want free ships to pvp. Not the best ones, some middle class.

I don;t want to NEED to have 2-3 alts to do anything in eve. I want 1 account, extra fee for gold ships or maybe some special insurance. And i want to pvp not so spin ship or to boring stuff like running mission over and over again. In which the only challenge is how fast you can make them.

"Star Conflict" + google = your game. /thread

Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by AreWeLive
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Thank you for the link .

You're welcome, look at the video before you go though ;) thems some 7 mil cruisers (there are solo fits for em as well and they face rape most battlecruiser, battleships and some cruisers in pvp situations).

  treelo

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Posts: 70

5/12/13 1:40:26 PM#55

Free ships wouldn't solve anything, only create more problems.

It certainly wouldn't bring in more players, who are mostly put off by the insane learning curve, "dull" gameplay mechanics, and/or setting.

It wouldn't stop ganking, quite the opposite in fact.  A steady stream of clueless pilots venturing into unsafe territory is only going to increase the number of kills and make gate-camping more worthwhile.

In turn, this would ruin any chance of the aforementioned players advancing beyond the safety of hi-sec as incessant losses on their first steps into PvP are only going to discourage them in the long run.

PvP without consequence is meaningless.  Doubly so in a game intently focused upon the consequences of your actions.  Free ships only benefits the victor, which in this case will most likely be the person who paid for their ship and already has the experience necessary to operate in lo/null-sec.

As others have mentioned, there are a host of corps who offer free ships to new players learning the ropes.  There is nothing to be gained from artificially creating an already player-run system in a sandbox.

The only way you can hope to encourage casual players is to offer a casual play-style.  Doing so would destroy much of what CCP have achieved with EVE, alienating their core player base in the process.  There are already casual friendly options available in EVE, it's called PvE and is a largely monotonous affair.  Offering more variety there would be a positive step forward in encouraging more casual players. 

 

  apanz3r

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Joined: 11/17/11
Posts: 281

 
OP  5/12/13 1:40:43 PM#56
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by sacredfool

Oooh and.... if you have limited funds, why not fly something you can afford? a well fitted frig is 5 million or so and not too bad in PvP. You can get 10 frigs per hour doing some PvP. 

 

 

Originally posted by apanz3r.

Can i be blamed that I just want to pvp ?

The thing that makes EVEs PvP so gratifying is the risk of losing a ship that has some cost assigned to it. If there no cost assigned then EVE would be pretty darn boring

Fair enough. Please name a single ship that you can kill in frig in 0.0. I think even an Iteron will kill you.

There will be always better ships in eve.  10 gang battleships will face melt 10gang battle cruisers.

One more example: do you kill ibis if you have the chance ?

A mining frigate legit killed a battleship.

What do you even want?

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really ? how do you beat with a 10 batlecruisers gang a rr 10 batleship group . Please enlight me.

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

5/12/13 1:41:11 PM#57
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
I am not drug-addicted to eve.

There's the truth we all were waiting for.  Why didn't you just admit you had no interest in EVE?

wait what?

His other posts not in this thread weer along the same lines - new space games (that he likely backed on kickstarter) are going to be the end of EVE and whatever.  This was a roundabout thread of him saying the same thing in the end.

The notion that it costs thousands of dollars to PVP in EVE is of course only someone trolling by using an entire thread about EVE to mention the desire for other space games could come up with.

El Psy Congroo

  atticusbc

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I hated hipsters before hating hipsters was cool.

5/12/13 1:42:48 PM#58
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by pyrofreak
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by AreWeLive

Join a faction warfare corp, do incursions and plex's, plenty of ISK right there to go out and pvp with.  

...assuming you have the time to join in their scheduled fleets. what about solo pilots though? they're out in the cold unless they want to take the massive financial risk involved in cold joining PvP.

I can only understand that if you don't even have enough time to join a corporation.

You don't have to be solo - join a corporation with frequent roams and enough people to support that.  If you log in for a bit, you should be able to find one.

It's not good to force yourself to play alone in a Massively Multiplayer game that is specifically praised for player interaction.  That isn't the fault of a lack of training in PVP at all.

i don't force myself to, i am forced to.

which reminds me that i have a paper due and that this thread has gotten way off topic. in conclusion: all i'm saying is that EvE should be more friendly to solo PvP newbs. wouldn't take that much either.

thank you for being mature and level-headed, kadepsyson.

  atticusbc

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Joined: 9/22/07
Posts: 1074

I hated hipsters before hating hipsters was cool.

5/12/13 1:44:31 PM#59
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
I am not drug-addicted to eve.

There's the truth we all were waiting for.  Why didn't you just admit you had no interest in EVE?

wait what?

His other posts not in this thread weer along the same lines - new space games (that he likely backed on kickstarter) are going to be the end of EVE and whatever.  This was a roundabout thread of him saying the same thing in the end.

The notion that it costs thousands of dollars to PVP in EVE is of course only someone trolling by using an entire thread about EVE to mention the desire for other space games could come up with.

ah. that little exchange above just seemed... weird out of context. lol

  apanz3r

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Posts: 281

 
OP  5/12/13 1:44:37 PM#60
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by apanz3r
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Buy PLEX with real money.

Sell PLEX for ISK.

Buy anything in game with ISK.

 

So this is already in the game, what's the point of this thread?

Good point. But i would pay hundreds of $ per month to pvp. Either is something affordable and convenient or i will keep giving money to other games.

A billion isk is a lot of pvp rifters.

What exactly are you asking for here considering what you want is already possible?  I mean, do you want free ships and the game to be an arena style combat sim?

Well eve is already an arena. Just a big one.

So in this respect yes, i would want free ships to pvp. Not the best ones, some middle class.

I don;t want to NEED to have 2-3 alts to do anything in eve. I want 1 account, extra fee for gold ships or maybe some special insurance. And i want to pvp not so spin ship or to boring stuff like running mission over and over again. In which the only challenge is how fast you can make them.

"Star Conflict" + google = your game. /thread

Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by AreWeLive

41 mil combat/support/industrial pilot :).

a: so you were a trollbad in a cane and will likely be flying the navy issue, good to know.

b: comprehensively wrong, do try more.

c: up until shuttles were removed from NPC sell orders and rookie ships were shifted away from being reprocessed they were massive trit and py fountains but again what would you know.

d: considering some of the most impressive eve kills in existence ( jita 4-4 plex carrying shuttle kills) were in courier ships, continue conversing and claiming you are a pvp pilot (hint: you run into shuttle in 0.0 as well, rarely as it is quite suicidal but you do so you have no legs to stand on).

e: I have every interest in squashing such ill-formed ideas as any good eve player and getting any half-baked player to cork their mouth until they have even the slightest clue what they're talking about.

 

thank you in advance for learning the difference between what you think you know and what actually is out there.

i have some responses to you, but as per my edit i am now going to ignore you since i can't actually get a decent conversation out of you. glfh.

Which means you have no responses, likely considering your immaturity with the game, gl though out there I doubt you're gonna hf for a while.

Thank you for the link .

You're welcome, look at the video before you go though ;) thems some 7 mil cruisers (there are solo fits for em as well and they face rape most battlecruiser, battleships and some cruisers in pvp situations).

I started to play eve in 2003-2004. I stayed in 0.0 for the entire period and i been in pvp oriented alliances like TRI (MK1).

You don;t have to explain me feets and stuff like this.

I simply had enough of farming. Only thing that can bring me back is removing of farming for casual players. I can accept something like a tier 1.5 batlecruisers and understand that i will loose VS a loot of other ships. But in gang it will still bring something. Please be serious and don;t speak about cruisers and frigate in pvp or we are probably in different books.

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