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  baphamet

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5/11/13 8:44:27 PM#61


Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by Sevenstar61 Based on SWTOR Spy (http://www.swtor-spy.com/quests/) there are 3,471 missions in SWTOR. I am not sure if the site includes Makeb and if it includes all quests. It's quite a number I think for a bit over 1 year old MMO. Leveling alts I alternate bonus series as it is too easy to outlevel planets.  So if you plan it right, the game does not have to be repetitive, especially that planet stories are lot of fun and play a bit different depending on class. But this game is not only about alts. If you are in good guild, the group content is so extensive you do not have to do alts to have fun. There are so many incentives to group - weekly missions for flashpoints, operations, world bosses, etc... numerous way to make you want to group all the time. No matter what your preference is, you can find it in this game IF YOU ARE WILLING TOO. It's easy to bash the game while not even playing it, as there is so many wrong presumption about this game that half of the readers will believe all this BS about game without even checking it out.    
And yet when they check it out and decide it sucks, they are countered by the OCD Theme Park Enthusiasts League. So as a counter warning: when you play the game and see how it blows, just keep it to yourself. You can't convince lemmings not to jump off the cliff.

In real life there are theme parks too, they are called Penitentiaries.


weird because a lot of people are not quitting (or play off and on like me) and don't need to be convinced by someone who doesn't share their opinion.

its funny how some people think they are the be all end all of what is fun or a good game.

whats fun for you isn't necessarily fun for everyone else. its a fun game for what it is in my opinion and i personally prefer it to any themepark out there at the moment.


  baphamet

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5/11/13 8:57:48 PM#62


Originally posted by superniceguy

I am not bashing the game, it is what it is, and I have played it, and know what there is. It is fun for a few months, but is not something to play day in day out for years and years.

housing and fishing is not what keep people playing mmo's every day for years.

that is your problem right there, you still expect mmo's to last you that long and none of them likely will ever again.

the reason they lasted years before was because there was next to no competition and the communities were great and kept you logging in for the friends you made.

those days are over. too much competition out there now and a lot of them are F2P so people bounce from mmo to mmo.

i don't even need to point out how crappy the mmo community is now compared to pre-wow, do i?

the problem i see with a lot of gamers in the mmo community are them and their expectations.

they want and expect an mmo to be as fun as the original games they played and last them years.

not going to happen people.

  redrain84

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5/11/13 9:41:28 PM#63

The game is good. Some people just don't like it because they haven't really given it a chance. Until you get one character to 50 your opinion on this game is invalid. So please stop posting your pointless arguments on this game. You can log in right now and see thousands of people playing. Swtor is in the top 5 MMO's currently being played in Amerca.  More people would defend the game but their too busy playing as we speak.  Also, I've played Mass Effect and hated it, but I loved Dragon Age. To be honest I use to think Swtor  really sucked, honestly I did. But when I gave it a another chance and really played it, I loved it to death and still do. I have 5 level 50's and a 55. So I think I have played the game enough to give an opinion. Some people just want to much and will never be pleased no matter what. Developers know this and they do they best they can. I have played  damn near every MMO on the market. There is no MMO that is so awesome it make people loss sleep. But that what everyone wants, huh? Well, I have bad news for you. Those types of games only come once in a blue moon. You wont see a lot of those in your life time, because they are difficult to make.  Bioware did the best they could and I am happy with the product because I look deeper and can really see how hard they worked, some people cant. Also, how many MMO's has Bioware made? The answer is one. If you look at all their game they all are single player games. People expected swtor  to de-throne WoW that has been out a number of years. Wasn't going to happen and if you thought it was your  the idiot. This was Bioware first MMO to my knowledge. For it to be their first MMO, they did a pretty got damn  good job. 

You Swtor haters make me sick, just bitch and complain. Next time you play the game try looking for something good about the game instead  of trying to look for thing to bash it on. And, it not a wow clone they used the same feel of the game as wow so people can jump right in and play without a learning curve, and it was a good idea. The way combat feels in wow, swtor, and rift works. Companies try to reinvent the wheel instead of using what already is working.

  Ppiper

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5/11/13 9:46:26 PM#64
Originally posted by redrain84

The game is good. Some people just don't like it because they haven't really given it a chance. Until you get one character to 50 your opinion on this game is invalid. So please stop posting your pointless arguments on this game. You can log in right now and see thousands of people playing. Swtor is in the top 5 MMO's currently being played in Amerca.  More people would defend the game but their too busy playing as we speak.  Also, I've played Mass Effect and hated it, but I loved Dragon Age. To be honest I use to think Swtor  really sucked, honestly I did. But when I gave it a another chance and really played it, I loved it to death and still do. I have 5 level 50's and a 55. So I think I have played the game enough to give an opinion. Some people just want to much and will never be pleased no matter what. Developers know this and they do they best they can. I have played  damn near every MMO on the market. There is no MMO that is so awesome it make people loss sleep. But that what everyone wants, huh? Well, I have bad news for you. Those types of games only come once in a blue moon. You wont see a lot of those in your life time, because they are difficult to make.  Bioware did the best they could and I am happy with the product because I look deeper and can really see how hard they worked, some people cant. Also, how many MMO's has Bioware made? The answer is one. If you look at all their game they all are single player games. People expected swtor  to de-throne WoW that has been out a number of years. Wasn't going to happen and if you thought it was your  the idiot. This was Bioware first MMO to my knowledge. For it to be their first MMO, they did a pretty got damn  good job. 

You Swtor haters make me sick, just bitch and complain. Next time you play the game try looking for something good about the game instead  of trying to look for thing to bash it on. And, it not a wow clone they used the same feel of the game as wow so people can jump right in and play without a learning curve, and it was a good idea. The way combat feels in wow, swtor, and rift works. Companies try to reinvent the wheel instead of using what already is working.

hold on, Cowboy. I'm still a subscriber, have been since launch. Have two 55's and have played though all the OP's, yet, I find the end game sorely lacking. Running 2 OP's, only, at 55 is quite boring. The next patch is a glamore patch, only.  When 2.2 hits, hopefully there will be some new content added, I won't hold my breath. The game is great 1-55, but quickly dies thereafter.

  rojo6934

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5/11/13 9:52:23 PM#65
Originally posted by urbanaudio
don't be so sure of that, EA owns star wars video games now, so my reasoning is that they'll give bioware a shot.

i think Bioware will be handling the rpg side of the Star Wars franchise so yeah its possible that at some point in the future we might see another SW mmo but i hope EA learned that if you spend such a ridiculous amount of money and all you want is a WoW clone you will suffer.... Horribly.

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  BadOrb

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5/11/13 10:02:27 PM#66
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by urbanaudio
don't be so sure of that, EA owns star wars video games now, so my reasoning is that they'll give bioware a shot.

i think Bioware will be handling the rpg side of the Star Wars franchise so yeah its possible that at some point in the future we might see another SW mmo but i hope EA learned that if you spend such a ridiculous amount of money and all you want is a WoW clone you will suffer.... Horribly.

Tell that to the Capcom execs , "don't copy Phantasy Star Online within a fantasy setting , or you will lose money " yeah right.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

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  MMOPapa

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5/11/13 10:47:02 PM#67
The moment they announced that stupid idea to stagger head-start based on how early you made your purchase was the moment I knew that it was just the first of many stupid ideas to come; contacted support, asked for a refund, and got the hell out of there.

  simplius

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Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 978

5/11/13 11:12:39 PM#68
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on SWTOR Spy (http://www.swtor-spy.com/quests/) there are 3,471 missions in SWTOR. I am not sure if the site includes Makeb and if it includes all quests. It's quite a number I think for a bit over 1 year old MMO.

Leveling alts I alternate bonus series as it is too easy to outlevel planets.  So if you plan it right, the game does not have to be repetitive, especially that planet stories are lot of fun and play a bit different depending on class.

But this game is not only about alts. If you are in good guild, the group content is so extensive you do not have to do alts to have fun. There are so many incentives to group - weekly missions for flashpoints, operations, world bosses, etc... numerous way to make you want to group all the time.

No matter what your preference is, you can find it in this game IF YOU ARE WILLING TOO.

It's easy to bash the game while not even playing it, as there is so many wrong presumption about this game that half of the readers will believe all this BS about game without even checking it out.

 

 

And yet when they check it out and decide it sucks, they are countered by the OCD Theme Park Enthusiasts League. So as a counter warning: when you play the game and see how it blows, just keep it to yourself. You can't convince lemmings not to jump off the cliff.

In real life there are theme parks too, they are called Penitentiaries.

actually,,sandbox would be penitentiaries,,the same content , over, and over

themeparks would be the free world,,,take a pick, and pay for it

  simplius

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5/11/13 11:21:45 PM#69
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by Gdemami Just because you happen to play a game that is not for you does not mean there is anything wrong with the game itself, issue is on your end. SWTOR is more than fine for what it was supposed to deliver.
Ah nice one, blame the victim and the No Such thing as a Bad Game argument in such a small package.

 

except it isn't a bad game to many people. you are not a victim LOL!!SWTOR didn't do anything to you, they didn't tell you it would be SWG 2 and trick you into believing it would be, you are victims of your own stupid expectations.

 

without those expectation, we wouldnt have paid for this game

NO MONEY!!   does that compute?

and where would swtor be now, if they hadnt sold any games?

even if they did refund my money,,that would still leave us without a good star wars mmo

  simplius

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5/11/13 11:36:02 PM#70
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by superniceguy

I am not bashing the game, it is what it is, and I have played it, and know what there is. It is fun for a few months, but is not something to play day in day out for years and years.


 

housing and fishing is not what keep people playing mmo's every day for years.

that is your problem right there, you still expect mmo's to last you that long and none of them likely will ever again.

the reason they lasted years before was because there was next to no competition and the communities were great and kept you logging in for the friends you made.

those days are over. too much competition out there now and a lot of them are F2P so people bounce from mmo to mmo.

i don't even need to point out how crappy the mmo community is now compared to pre-wow, do i?

the problem i see with a lot of gamers in the mmo community are them and their expectations.

they want and expect an mmo to be as fun as the original games they played and last them years.

not going to happen people.

 

housing and fishing wont save a game, but they will expand its lifecycle

wow didnt kill the community,,its success did that

just like the old western towns,,uncontrolled growth is a very bad thing

but i have to agree on your point about expectations

the experienced mmo player is prolly the hardest person to please in the universe

we want our next GF to kiss EXACTLY like our first one

but she has to have her sisters voice,,and her mothers cooking skills

fat chance

  baphamet

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5/11/13 11:36:39 PM#71


Originally posted by simplius

Originally posted by baphamet  

Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by Gdemami Just because you happen to play a game that is not for you does not mean there is anything wrong with the game itself, issue is on your end. SWTOR is more than fine for what it was supposed to deliver.
Ah nice one, blame the victim and the No Such thing as a Bad Game argument in such a small package.
  except it isn't a bad game to many people. you are not a victim LOL!!SWTOR didn't do anything to you, they didn't tell you it would be SWG 2 and trick you into believing it would be, you are victims of your own stupid expectations.  
without those expectation, we wouldnt have paid for this game

NO MONEY!!   does that compute?

and where would swtor be now, if they hadnt sold any games?

even if they did refund my money,,that would still leave us without a good star wars mmo


uhh no you are completely wrong, we all knew far before SWTOR released (well apparently you didn't) that it would not be a sandbox game and it would b a linear themepark, a lot like wow.

you people that wanted it to be a sandbox and somehow thought it would be were not even a blip on the radar in terms of sales, does that compute?

so continue to not know what the hell it is you are buying then cry about it after you come to realize it wasn't what you thought?

makes sense! LOL

  jpnz

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5/11/13 11:50:17 PM#72

Other than launching a satellite that broad cast a world wide radio that said 'SWTOR IS NOT A SANDBOX!', I don't think Bioware could have done more to say what SWTOR was.

BW actually delivered exactly what they said they would. Whether it appeals to someone is another issue and irrelevant.

It is also now a profitable game so it is also a successful product; course the 'SWG fanboys' can't accept this fact. LOL

Gdemami -
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  simmihi

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5/12/13 12:22:03 AM#73
Originally posted by superniceguy

SWTOR is the most expensive because subbers have to pay  with real money to get ""expansions". LOTRO gets free content updates like it is getting next week for free, and subbers who accrue Turbine Points can us those points to buy the proper expansions. Also they put the anniversary and life day gifts in the Cartel Market, whereas LOTRO and STO give out free gifts and do playable events to get rewards, no real money or Turbine Points / ZEN to get.

Basically SWTORs F2P system is designed to encourage you to sub not play in F2P, and is more a trial.

It's my last reply to you. This has no point. All you do is spewing garbage with no backing up. It's all because "you say so". Makeb was a small-scale expansion. The price "subbers" had to pay for it was 10 bucks! Yes 10 bucks. Compare it to Rohan. See what Rohan brought, see what Makeb brought, and see if the difference in content made it for the 60 bucks to 10 bucks difference. Yes, probably, for your situation, where you have a lifetime sub or something like that to LOTRO and you get practically tons of free turbine points, it's better not to pay for anything from now on. It's not the same for everyone, how hard it is for you to admit that? I've paid 25 bucks for SWTOR and i'm enjoying all my content free, with minor limitations which i cannot unlock with credit-bought items. How much did you pay for LOTRO?

Again, play what you like, but quit trolling and spewing garbage on each and every topic about SWTOR. Yes, we are lemmings, we are whatever you want to call us for playing this game. We're incredibly stupid and can't see the picture. We're inferior people for liking it. Now live us alone.

  bubaluba

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5/12/13 12:27:54 AM#74
Everything looks so awesome to me after hell weekend in GW2, you should try this game and you will see what boredom is
  ignore_me

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5/12/13 1:13:03 AM#75
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by Sevenstar61 Based on SWTOR Spy (http://www.swtor-spy.com/quests/) there are 3,471 missions in SWTOR. I am not sure if the site includes Makeb and if it includes all quests. It's quite a number I think for a bit over 1 year old MMO. Leveling alts I alternate bonus series as it is too easy to outlevel planets.  So if you plan it right, the game does not have to be repetitive, especially that planet stories are lot of fun and play a bit different depending on class. But this game is not only about alts. If you are in good guild, the group content is so extensive you do not have to do alts to have fun. There are so many incentives to group - weekly missions for flashpoints, operations, world bosses, etc... numerous way to make you want to group all the time. No matter what your preference is, you can find it in this game IF YOU ARE WILLING TOO. It's easy to bash the game while not even playing it, as there is so many wrong presumption about this game that half of the readers will believe all this BS about game without even checking it out.    
And yet when they check it out and decide it sucks, they are countered by the OCD Theme Park Enthusiasts League. So as a counter warning: when you play the game and see how it blows, just keep it to yourself. You can't convince lemmings not to jump off the cliff.

 

In real life there are theme parks too, they are called Penitentiaries.


 

weird because a lot of people are not quitting (or play off and on like me) and don't need to be convinced by someone who doesn't share their opinion.

its funny how some people think they are the be all end all of what is fun or a good game.

whats fun for you isn't necessarily fun for everyone else. its a fun game for what it is in my opinion and i personally prefer it to any themepark out there at the moment.

 

 

 

So saying what you think = thinking you the end all, be all? That makes no sense.

What's fun for you isn't necessarily fun for everyone else. its a crap game in my opinion and it's the same damn thing as any other theme park, maybe with less to do.

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  ignore_me

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5/12/13 1:17:14 AM#76
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by Gdemami Just because you happen to play a game that is not for you does not mean there is anything wrong with the game itself, issue is on your end. SWTOR is more than fine for what it was supposed to deliver.
Ah nice one, blame the victim and the No Such thing as a Bad Game argument in such a small package.

 

except it isn't a bad game to many people. you are not a victim LOL!!SWTOR didn't do anything to you, they didn't tell you it would be SWG 2 and trick you into believing it would be, you are victims of your own stupid expectations.

 

 

Did you mean to parrot his argument? Because I fully understood what he said. That was the argument he was using, and I wouldn't have labeled it if I had somehow overlooked the text. The expectation was that it would be a good game. You inferred that I thought it would be a sandbox, but I didn't. Launch was a long time ago, a lot can happen with opinions in that amount of time.

Do you want to go ahead  try and tackle the second part there too Sparky, since you chimed in?

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  baphamet

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5/12/13 9:23:54 AM#77


Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by baphamet  

Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by Sevenstar61 Based on SWTOR Spy (http://www.swtor-spy.com/quests/) there are 3,471 missions in SWTOR. I am not sure if the site includes Makeb and if it includes all quests. It's quite a number I think for a bit over 1 year old MMO. Leveling alts I alternate bonus series as it is too easy to outlevel planets.  So if you plan it right, the game does not have to be repetitive, especially that planet stories are lot of fun and play a bit different depending on class. But this game is not only about alts. If you are in good guild, the group content is so extensive you do not have to do alts to have fun. There are so many incentives to group - weekly missions for flashpoints, operations, world bosses, etc... numerous way to make you want to group all the time. No matter what your preference is, you can find it in this game IF YOU ARE WILLING TOO. It's easy to bash the game while not even playing it, as there is so many wrong presumption about this game that half of the readers will believe all this BS about game without even checking it out.    
And yet when they check it out and decide it sucks, they are countered by the OCD Theme Park Enthusiasts League. So as a counter warning: when you play the game and see how it blows, just keep it to yourself. You can't convince lemmings not to jump off the cliff.   In real life there are theme parks too, they are called Penitentiaries.
  weird because a lot of people are not quitting (or play off and on like me) and don't need to be convinced by someone who doesn't share their opinion. its funny how some people think they are the be all end all of what is fun or a good game. whats fun for you isn't necessarily fun for everyone else. its a fun game for what it is in my opinion and i personally prefer it to any themepark out there at the moment.      
So saying what you think = thinking you the end all, be all? That makes no sense.

What's fun for you isn't necessarily fun for everyone else. its a crap game in my opinion and it's the same damn thing as any other theme park, maybe with less to do.


well insulting people and calling them "lemmings" because they like a game you do not tells me you think its a foregone conclusion that the game just sucks and anyone that disagrees is just some dumb ass that is following everyone else because its the thing to do.

you don't have to try to convince anyone to stop liking a game you don't like, its okay if people like a game you do not, you are not the be all end all of what a good mmo is.

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5/12/13 9:39:58 AM#78


Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by baphamet  

Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by Gdemami Just because you happen to play a game that is not for you does not mean there is anything wrong with the game itself, issue is on your end. SWTOR is more than fine for what it was supposed to deliver. Ah nice one, blame the victim and the No Such thing as a Bad Game argument in such a small package.
  except it isn't a bad game to many people. you are not a victim LOL!!SWTOR didn't do anything to you, they didn't tell you it would be SWG 2 and trick you into believing it would be, you are victims of your own stupid expectations.    
Did you mean to parrot his argument? Because I fully understood what he said. That was the argument he was using, and I wouldn't have labeled it if I had somehow overlooked the text. The expectation was that it would be a good game. You inferred that I thought it would be a sandbox, but I didn't. Launch was a long time ago, a lot can happen with opinions in that amount of time.

Do you want to go ahead  try and tackle the second part there too Sparky, since you chimed in?


let me put the actual quote in here you are referring to since you quoted the wrong post for some unknown reason.

without those expectation, we wouldnt have paid for this game
NO MONEY!! does that compute?
and where would swtor be now, if they hadnt sold any games?
even if they did refund my money,,that would still leave us without a good star wars mmo


see the first sentence and read real carefully......hes replying to me saying people were expecting SWTOR to be a SWG 2 sandbox and saying that without the sandbox expectations people wouldn't have bought the game.

actually that's what he is talking about in that entire post.

as far as his last sentence, that's his opinion and an opinion not shared by all, even though you think only "lemmings" could possibly play a game like SWTOR.

not going to sit here and say SWTOR is this great game because it isn't but a lot of people enjoy it for what it is, that doesn't make them mindless lemmings just because you don't like it.

again, you are not the be all end all of what a good or fun mmo is.

understand now or do you need me to draw you a picture?

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5/12/13 10:07:15 AM#79
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by superniceguy

I am not bashing the game, it is what it is, and I have played it, and know what there is. It is fun for a few months, but is not something to play day in day out for years and years.


 

housing and fishing is not what keep people playing mmo's every day for years.

that is your problem right there, you still expect mmo's to last you that long and none of them likely will ever again.

the reason they lasted years before was because there was next to no competition and the communities were great and kept you logging in for the friends you made.

those days are over. too much competition out there now and a lot of them are F2P so people bounce from mmo to mmo.

i don't even need to point out how crappy the mmo community is now compared to pre-wow, do i?

the problem i see with a lot of gamers in the mmo community are them and their expectations.

they want and expect an mmo to be as fun as the original games they played and last them years.

not going to happen people.

 

Dragon prophet is getting housing, and so will Wildstar, and chances are EQ next will do

These things may not interest you, but if it had these things, it would attract a whole load more people

From what I can tell SWTOR is not getting it because the game can not handle it, not because people do not want it. If people can build a home inside a MMO, then that adds more reason to stick playing it.

The more things a MMO has a wider range of people will like the MMO, and that was SWGs strengths, it had so much stuff it appealed to a wide range of people. I even got bored of things in SWG too for a bit, but there was so much stuff in it, that there was always something else to do, so the whole game NEVER got boring. If it was not for the housing I built up and decorated, I do not think I would have played it after the NGE.

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5/12/13 10:17:40 AM#80
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by simplius

Originally posted by baphamet  

Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by Gdemami Just because you happen to play a game that is not for you does not mean there is anything wrong with the game itself, issue is on your end. SWTOR is more than fine for what it was supposed to deliver.
Ah nice one, blame the victim and the No Such thing as a Bad Game argument in such a small package.
  except it isn't a bad game to many people. you are not a victim LOL!!SWTOR didn't do anything to you, they didn't tell you it would be SWG 2 and trick you into believing it would be, you are victims of your own stupid expectations.  
without those expectation, we wouldnt have paid for this game

 

NO MONEY!!   does that compute?

and where would swtor be now, if they hadnt sold any games?

even if they did refund my money,,that would still leave us without a good star wars mmo


 

uhh no you are completely wrong, we all knew far before SWTOR released (well apparently you didn't) that it would not be a sandbox game and it would b a linear themepark, a lot like wow.

you people that wanted it to be a sandbox and somehow thought it would be were not even a blip on the radar in terms of sales, does that compute?

so continue to not know what the hell it is you are buying then cry about it after you come to realize it wasn't what you thought?

makes sense! LOL

yea i knew it wouldnt be sandbox,,at least they had that much sense

problem is,,this is a BAD themepark

it isnt even GOOD at at its "specialty"

they build an mmo, like a single player RPG

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