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  BadSpock

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5/10/13 7:53:20 AM#21

Yeah, 1300 gaming laptop?

Or 800 dollar gaming PC and 500 dollar laptop for sake of laptop.

Quiz is right, as always - unless you are doing LOTS of gaming on the go, gaming laptop is a terrible idea.

Even then, if you are playing games like WoW or LoL or even like D3 etc. you can get away with a decent laptop with integrated graphics (APU) and spend the rest of your money on a much, much better gaming desktop PC.

 

But I always think - if you're traveling, you should probably be doing something more interesting than playing games.

Like going for walks, exploring local sites/hot spots, spending time with friends/family etc.

If you want mobile gaming - buy a smartphone and a tablet.

IMO, of course.

 

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  Kyleran

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5/10/13 7:56:38 AM#22
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by VicodinTaco

Sure does look secksy,

I know nothing of laptops for gaming but would be interested to see what those in the know have to say about a rig like this.  $1300 seems f'ing great to me but what do i know.

I fancy the idea of playing on a laptop in a recliner, kinda like "total useless vegetable mode".  Laptop in my face and bigscreen TV 15 degrees above or outside the monitor viewing area.  Total immersion lol.

The question I wonder though is am I going to burn my balls off? 

If you actually set a gaming laptop on your lap and then play games on it, then yes, you do risk sterilizing yourself.  Gaming laptops are fundamentally a proposition of too much heat in too little space.  Computer chips can handle temperatures like 150 Fahrenheit a lot better than human skin.  The bottom of the laptop won't be nearly as hot as the GPU chip itself, but it will be a lot hotter than is comfortable to touch.

Ah yes, they do get quite hot, and I do keep mine on my lap at all times.  I solved this issue by stealing a solid plastic cutting board (about 3/8" thick) from my wife that actually had raised rubber feet and grooves along the bottom which when turned upside down, the laptop rides on and actually provides bottom ventilation.  Never seen anything like it for sale since, so not sure you could find one.

Edit: OK, 3 grown children (20+) later and I'm not too concerned with sterilization, but your results may vary. 

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  Four0Six

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5/10/13 7:58:54 AM#23
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by VicodinTaco

Sure does look secksy,

I know nothing of laptops for gaming but would be interested to see what those in the know have to say about a rig like this.  $1300 seems f'ing great to me but what do i know.

I fancy the idea of playing on a laptop in a recliner, kinda like "total useless vegetable mode".  Laptop in my face and bigscreen TV 15 degrees above or outside the monitor viewing area.  Total immersion lol.

The question I wonder though is am I going to burn my balls off? 

If you actually set a gaming laptop on your lap and then play games on it, then yes, you do risk sterilizing yourself.  Gaming laptops are fundamentally a proposition of too much heat in too little space.  Computer chips can handle temperatures like 150 Fahrenheit a lot better than human skin.  The bottom of the laptop won't be nearly as hot as the GPU chip itself, but it will be a lot hotter than is comfortable to touch.

Cant resist:

I need to do a price comparisson. My wafe has been urging me to get a vascectomy, I am pro so meh, but maybe I can lobby for a gaming laptop instead of the price point is close.

  kostantis

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5/10/13 8:12:32 AM#24

hello there,

here's another angle at it:

you can wait till june for the haswell processors from intel, they will be sporting new integrated graphics with adequate gaming performance and lower battery consumption than discreet gpus for laptops. then, you have some options: 1) if you want a desktop replacement and do not care about battery life and portability (i.e. using the laptop at home/friends' homes/hotels only), you can take advantage of the price drops in current models, or 2) if you do care about portability, get an 13.3 inch ultrabook with nice performance (ssd, i7, fast ram) and a nice display (paramount for me) and, if you don't mind, stick to games that do not have insane reqs or play at lower settings.

  Quizzical

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5/10/13 8:57:51 AM#25
Originally posted by kostantis

if you do care about portability, get an 13.3 inch ultrabook with nice performance (ssd, i7, fast ram) and a nice display (paramount for me) and, if you don't mind, stick to games that do not have insane reqs or play at lower settings.

An ultrabook means that you sacrifice everything else for the sake of making it thinner.  For starters, it's a high price tag for low performance and few features.  They're also borderline impossible to upgrade or repair.  Want a new battery?  Replace the whole laptop outright.  Want to replace a memory chip that failed?  Replace the whole laptop outright.  Low power, yes, but they can still be prone to overheating because they try to squeeze things into far too small of a space.  If you value thinness above all else, then sure, look at ultrabooks.  But for most people, there's no reason to even consider an ultrabook.

  jdnewell

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5/10/13 9:05:57 AM#26

It looks like a capable gaming laptop for sure. I might look around at some other sites and see what else is available for around that price. Personally if I were going to spend that much money on a laptop I would go ahead and splurge for an SSD.

 

  Quizzical

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5/10/13 9:08:57 AM#27
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Asheram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834227049

If I had money to burn would this be a bad deal?

For most people, any capable gaming laptop would be a bad deal.  Too heavy, too expensive, runs too hot, too short of a life expectancy before the excessive heat fries things.

Gaming laptops really only make sense for people who are going to take a laptop somewhere and play games away from home.  It does have to be plugged into a wall, however, or else a gaming laptop will drain the battery really, really fast.  If you're a business traveler who wants to play games in hotels, then have at it.  But just because you need both a laptop and also a gaming system, it doesn't follow that you need a gaming laptop.

There's another category of player who needs gaming laptops, people who have to sit in the living room and pretend to watch TV with their wife while actually gaming.

Now, I understand what you are saying about the heat issue, pretty sure that was the cause of all issues I experienced on my first Dell and then Gateway laptop.  In fact, when the Gateway killed its 2nd motherboard, they gave up and sent me a new Acer to replace it, and fortunately I've gotten almost 2 years on it with no issues. 

My advice is when purchasing high end gaming laptops always buy the best, maximum warranty you can and make sure the vendor is strong enough to support it.  I've avoided literally thousands of dollars in repairs by having them in place, and like I said, got a free laptop about 2.5 yrs in on my last laptop.

Speaking of which, Quzzical, if you had to buy a gaming laptop right now, what do you think would be the best bet?  Something in the under 2K range I'm thinking.

You might want to see if you can get away with having a desktop next to your chair, and then a keyboard or gamepad or some such in your lap and a monitor arm to mount the monitor in front of you.  That offers some huge advantages from a technical perspective.  Though if the issue is "wife wants you to pretend to watch TV with her", then you're leaving the realm of technical advantages and subject to the whims of your wife, so I don't know what she'll let you get away with.

In laptops, the major thing that drives performance forward is energy efficiency increases, as that lets you get more performance out of the same heat output as before.  Die shrinks are mostly what drives that, and we're about halfway through a cycle of them.  On the CPU side, Ivy Bridge launched at 22 nm a little over a year ago and Broadwell at 14 nm is a ilttle over a year away.  Haswell is coming in about a month, but that's on the same process node as Ivy Bridge, so I wouldn't expect much in the way of energy efficiency gains under load.

On the video card side, AMD got to 28 nm with the Radeon HD 7000 series early last year and Nvidia got there with the GeForce 600 series around the middle of last year--though in both cases, you have to exclude rebrands of older cards.  AMD will probably get to 20 nm early next year, and Nvidia probably several months later.

If you do want to buy a high end laptop right now, then you want a Core i7-3630 or better for the CPU, and a GeForce GTX 670MX, 675MX, or 680M or a Radeon HD 7970M for the video card.  You definitely don't want the GeForce GTX 670M or 675M, as those are rebrands of some awful Fermi cards that should never have gone into laptops in the first place.

You'd presumably want an SSD, as well, and not just for the performance.  If you're setting the laptop on your lap (indirectly as you describe), then you're probably going to shake the laptop some while sitting there.  Hard drives don't like being shaken while in use.  Solid state drives don't care.

  kostantis

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5/10/13 9:26:28 AM#28

I agree quiz, the only reason I am mentioning ultrabooks is because i judge from personal experience. after having a 3kg laptop for quite some time, i found that it was heavy and bulky to carry around and work/game. however, an ultrabook was perfectly fine, even though I had to moderate my gaming menu (but gog and my extensive backlog make sure i have always nice things to play, even if they are a bit dated).
 however, the powerfull laptop i had was very nice during the summer, when i go to my cottage and/of friends' houses in the country, where carrying capacity is not a problem since the laptop is not moved all the time. The same applies if you want to move your laptop in your house.

But, for example, I travel by train often and the trip is 5 hours long. I really like to be able to keep playing for most of that trip, and to be able to carry it around when i reach my destination.

I really think its all about what you need your laptop for. It so often happens that this is where most people stumble either before buying or after using the laptop for a few months.

  Quizzical

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5/10/13 9:42:26 AM#29
Originally posted by kostantis

I agree quiz, the only reason I am mentioning ultrabooks is because i judge from personal experience. after having a 3kg laptop for quite some time, i found that it was heavy and bulky to carry around and work/game. however, an ultrabook was perfectly fine, even though I had to moderate my gaming menu (but gog and my extensive backlog make sure i have always nice things to play, even if they are a bit dated).

Ultrabook doesn't mean "light" so much as "thin".  13" is going to be a lot less than 3 kg whether it's an ultrabook or not.

If you're looking for an ultraportable laptop that can handle many (not all!) games pretty well at low to moderate settings, then something based on AMD's upcoming Kabini chip would be ideal.  That will be lower power than most ultrabooks, too, but it won't be an ultrabook because that's an Intel trademark that requires use of Intel hardware.

  eyelolled

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5/10/13 10:23:40 AM#30
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by eyelolled
The ASUS K55 Series is crap.  It is some of the weakest construction I have ever seen in a notebook and I wouldn't spend money on it. You can click the touchpad buttons 3/4 the way up the edge of the touchpad.  If you handle the notebook with one hand by the side, you'll hear the plastic cracking as it flexes from being to weak to support it's own weight.  It's just garbage and though it pains me to say it, I'd say it's on equal terms to your average acer/emachines quality.

If you want a touchpad that works, get an external mouse and plug it in.  You're never going to find a touchpad that is anywhere near as good as a simple wired laser mouse.  Sometimes plugging in an external mouse isn't an option, but if it is, then do it.

That is a load of crap. Not even so much that you would suggest it, but that it would be an allowable excuse at all.  If the cooling fan on the CPU didn't work as default, would you say it's ok just open the chassis and point another fan at it?  If the keyboard didn't work so you had to plug in an external, would that be a viable reason to go ahead an purchase anyway? SCREW THAT. ASUS built a crap series of notebook, and nobody should let them off the hook for it.  

 

 

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  Quizzical

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5/10/13 11:53:54 AM#31
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by eyelolled
The ASUS K55 Series is crap.  It is some of the weakest construction I have ever seen in a notebook and I wouldn't spend money on it. You can click the touchpad buttons 3/4 the way up the edge of the touchpad.  If you handle the notebook with one hand by the side, you'll hear the plastic cracking as it flexes from being to weak to support it's own weight.  It's just garbage and though it pains me to say it, I'd say it's on equal terms to your average acer/emachines quality.

If you want a touchpad that works, get an external mouse and plug it in.  You're never going to find a touchpad that is anywhere near as good as a simple wired laser mouse.  Sometimes plugging in an external mouse isn't an option, but if it is, then do it.

That is a load of crap. Not even so much that you would suggest it, but that it would be an allowable excuse at all.  If the cooling fan on the CPU didn't work as default, would you say it's ok just open the chassis and point another fan at it?  If the keyboard didn't work so you had to plug in an external, would that be a viable reason to go ahead an purchase anyway? SCREW THAT. ASUS built a crap series of notebook, and nobody should let them off the hook for it.  

Touchpads don't work as well as mice.  It's the nature of the technology.  Given a choice between a touchpad and a real wired laser mouse, you want the latter.

Now, Asus may be to blame for making an especially bad touchpad--meaning, worse than most other touchpads.  I don't know if that's the case or not, but you seem to think it is.

  eyelolled

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5/10/13 3:29:38 PM#32
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by eyelolled
The ASUS K55 Series is crap.  It is some of the weakest construction I have ever seen in a notebook and I wouldn't spend money on it. You can click the touchpad buttons 3/4 the way up the edge of the touchpad.  If you handle the notebook with one hand by the side, you'll hear the plastic cracking as it flexes from being to weak to support it's own weight.  It's just garbage and though it pains me to say it, I'd say it's on equal terms to your average acer/emachines quality.

If you want a touchpad that works, get an external mouse and plug it in.  You're never going to find a touchpad that is anywhere near as good as a simple wired laser mouse.  Sometimes plugging in an external mouse isn't an option, but if it is, then do it.

That is a load of crap. Not even so much that you would suggest it, but that it would be an allowable excuse at all.  If the cooling fan on the CPU didn't work as default, would you say it's ok just open the chassis and point another fan at it?  If the keyboard didn't work so you had to plug in an external, would that be a viable reason to go ahead an purchase anyway? SCREW THAT. ASUS built a crap series of notebook, and nobody should let them off the hook for it.  

Touchpads don't work as well as mice.  It's the nature of the technology.  Given a choice between a touchpad and a real wired laser mouse, you want the latter.

Now, Asus may be to blame for making an especially bad touchpad--meaning, worse than most other touchpads.  I don't know if that's the case or not, but you seem to think it is.

oh I agree that touchpads don't work as good as mice, and I'm not saying that using a mouse isn't probably preferred anyhow, but sometimes the touchpad is the best viable option because of the environment a person may find themselves in.  In those sorts of times, a person shouldn't have to accept problems with a device to such an extent. Honestly, you can click the button 3/4 the way up the side of the touchpad. And the entire portion of the button area is also the tracking area, so if you decide to click "no I don't want that malware" and your finger slides a bit while clicking, you might be installing the malware instead. 

Seriously, stop in at a store and try it out. It's terrible. 

The user interface should be comfortable and friendly, not cumbersome and weak.

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