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  sanshi44

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5/09/13 2:06:36 AM#41
+1 to OP complatly agree.
  Wizardry

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5/09/13 2:10:42 AM#42

Well most of it is true but some MMO's have introduced some new ideas.Yes FFXi came about in 2003 and did introduce several unique ideas,like the language translator has still yet to be matched.Sub class is another.

Eq2 was the first to bring in nicer graphics,lighting,it makes a big difference at least to myself because the whole reason we have video cards is to show off GPU graphics.

However on the basis of MOST principles,yes the games of old already implemented them,other games now are not even trying to implement anything,just cheaper game designs.

Now when i say cheaper someone might say,well SWTOR cost 200 million,i mean cheaper as in what they are doing,anyone can just spend a ton of money,what you do with it matters most.

I just talked about Blizzard's massive amount of money they are making from Wow.Blizzard are making multi millions to do what?NOTHING,they use ancient tech,design low quality models,textures even some effects are pretty bad.

Right now there is so much tech out there,games have no excuse for not stepping up the genre,they can literally make real living worlds if they wanted to.

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  Caldrin

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5/09/13 2:11:26 AM#43

+1 OP

Hopefully over the next few years we will start seeing some of the kickstarter funded games getting released and we will have a good mmorpg again..

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  Quirhid

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5/09/13 2:58:46 AM#44

If they were so awesome and advanced, why did they explode into popularity after 2003?

Oh nevermind. Its not like this thread was made for discussion. Only to start a flamewar.

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  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

5/09/13 4:12:51 AM#45
Originally posted by Sigurd57

 

 

So see, a true Sandbox, as we like to fondly recall of our beloved old games, can't exist in today's 'main stream' market, and every investor or came company knows this.

 

 

Oh yeah that's why a butt load of them are being released/in production more now than in the past 10 years combined.

I can think of 15 off the top of my head that look great, full of features, and player creativity is required.

The market is changing because it hasn't done anything in 5 years but mass produce garbage. And i do believe WOW's coat tail is about worn off.  Finally some developers are making a change.

 

  Loktofeit

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5/09/13 6:11:17 AM#46
I wouldn't say more advanced, especially when you look back at the UIs, but certainly more diverse.

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  delete5230

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5/09/13 6:50:30 AM#47

Good post OP.............In fact one of the best post in a long time !

We have crap now.  They are not even mmos anymore, just solo games with others on line.  Vanguard was the last of the real mmos, too bad about the early release, and the bad coding used from EQ2.

 

 

Phase one of down hill - Players screeming for better graphics. This took away from quality of game play, to much time spent in something that was un-duable.

Phase two of down hill - Auto everything, Dungeon finders, fast easy leveling, and advertising all events instead of finding things on your own. Worlds became small and the start of 30 day mmos.

Phase three of down hill - Cash shops, F2P, P2W

  Icewhite

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5/09/13 7:58:25 AM#48
Originally posted by ThaneUlfgar
Subjective post is subjective. Also, I think the rose colored glasses metaphor applies here.

Selective memories don't really handle comparing opening-day feature sets very well. We like to compare decade-old games to something that opened yesterday.

And we know that fanboy appreciation for any given title makes it the best game evar.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  WhiteLantern

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5/09/13 8:04:04 AM#49
The fact that I enjoyed WoW more than any other MMO I've played does not make the statement "WoW did things the best" anything more than opinion.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Vocadi

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5/09/13 8:25:38 AM#50

I honestly feel that the exploded popularity of the MMO genre is going to result in a renaissance of sorts. Look at the mass amounts of MMO games on the market right now. How many of those games are actually of a caliber that would support a massive number of player subscriptions? Most of the games that pop up fizzle out after a year or so.

Alot of the mainstream gamers who came to the MMO scene after or during WoW may never have experienced a cohesive online community that the older games fostered. Is it possible that if a game happened on the scene that was the right blend of content to appeal to a variety of gamers, it would be the next best thing? Potentially the new age of the MMO?  I believe so, its only a matter of time.

I also know that I am so sick of the rose colored glasses idiom and feel its a real cop out to slap that on a statement and call it a day. As an old school gamer I appreciate how the genre started but I would never want to relive that exact experience. I am looking forward to the possibilities and potentials of an evolving MMORPG genre.

  baphamet

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5/09/13 10:16:45 AM#51

mmo's have become more video games and less virtual RPG worlds, i would not call them more advanced from a technical standpoint though lol

people seem to forget that mmo's from 10 years ago....all mmo's......had a niche player base that catered to role players and fans of real RPG's like pnp table tops and MUD's

today's mmo's cater to the every day average joe console/ single player RPG gamer.

they are actually far more technically advanced with their single player style scripting and ultra themepark content.

i think there is a clear difference between the two styles of mmo's and there are some games in development that cater to both styles of gamers right now, which i a good thing IMO

  Iselin

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5/09/13 11:25:54 AM#52

Yes. I'm going to ignore all the warts of the early MMOs and ignore all the advancements in newer ones. Then I will close my eyes, plug my ears and say "neener, neener, neener...pure truth!" until i win.

  GrayGhost79

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5/09/13 7:50:32 PM#53
Originally posted by Iselin

Yes. I'm going to ignore all the warts of the early MMOs and ignore all the advancements in newer ones. Then I will close my eyes, plug my ears and say "neener, neener, neener...pure truth!" until i win.

You could list all the advancements in newer MMOs and put us old folks in our place. 

  NaughtyP

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5/09/13 8:04:35 PM#54
Not more advanced, more adventurous and feature-rich. Those games were meant to test the boundaries. The current games simply live somewhere within those tested boundaries. For better? For worse? Depends on the player. I don't play many MMOs these days simply because I am bored with the experiences they offer, although I am still hopeful for some of the upcoming titles.

Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  Iselin

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5/10/13 3:17:33 PM#55
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Iselin

Yes. I'm going to ignore all the warts of the early MMOs and ignore all the advancements in newer ones. Then I will close my eyes, plug my ears and say "neener, neener, neener...pure truth!" until i win.

You could list all the advancements in newer MMOs and put us old folks in our place. 

Why on earth would I give you the opportunity to dissect and spin anything I say? I was there back then... I am here now.... The improvements are legion... They're self evident. But I learned in debating club many decades ago that any topic under the sun is debatable.

i'm sure if I were to say something as obvious as "graphics are better" you would respond with "yeah but, that's all they spend their development time on which makes it all worse in the end"." And then when I say "corpse runs suck" you would say "yeah but death penalty these days are meaningless"

So why bother?

  RefMinor

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5/10/13 3:19:53 PM#56
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Iselin

Yes. I'm going to ignore all the warts of the early MMOs and ignore all the advancements in newer ones. Then I will close my eyes, plug my ears and say "neener, neener, neener...pure truth!" until i win.

You could list all the advancements in newer MMOs and put us old folks in our place. 

Why on earth would I give you the opportunity to dissect and spin anything I say? I was there back then... I am here now.... The improvements are legion... They're self evident. But I learned in debating club many decades ago that any topic under the sun is debatable.

i'm sure if I were to say something as obvious as "graphics are better" you would respond with "yeah but, that's all they spend their development time on which makes it all worse in the end"." And then when I say "corpse runs suck" you would say "yeah but death penalty these days are meaningless"

So why bother?

So you don't come across as saying "neener, neener, neener...pure truth!"

  Iselin

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5/10/13 3:22:56 PM#57
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Iselin

Yes. I'm going to ignore all the warts of the early MMOs and ignore all the advancements in newer ones. Then I will close my eyes, plug my ears and say "neener, neener, neener...pure truth!" until i win.

You could list all the advancements in newer MMOs and put us old folks in our place. 

Why on earth would I give you the opportunity to dissect and spin anything I say? I was there back then... I am here now.... The improvements are legion... They're self evident. But I learned in debating club many decades ago that any topic under the sun is debatable.

i'm sure if I were to say something as obvious as "graphics are better" you would respond with "yeah but, that's all they spend their development time on which makes it all worse in the end"." And then when I say "corpse runs suck" you would say "yeah but death penalty these days are meaningless"

So why bother?

So you don't come across as saying "neener, neener, neener...pure truth!"

Nice try. I respectfully decline the opportunity to reply. 

  Miblet

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5/10/13 3:52:52 PM#58

More advanced?  Not really.  Modern games are far more advanced graphically and networking with the spread of high speed internet has improved greatly.  There are even a few new advancements such as phasing and instancing from 1997 - 2003.  Now games may not be as feature rich today but that also comes from the spending on graphical fidelity of modern games as many gamers won't touch anything that isn't pretty.

Whether people feel that the experience is in general better is debateable.  I played back then and it's true I remember far more of my time in the older games than I do of any other MMO since, both the good and the bad, some of those good memories coming from bad experiences that people banded together to overcome, something you simply wouldn't see today, because of either players being more antisocial or from the lack of those bad experiences being a possibility.  There were also a lot of truly awful things that have been improved upon in modern games.

I do have to admit though that 10 years ago I had hope for what the genre could evolve into, growing from it's roots to become something more than it was.  A thriving world in which to carve out adventure and fun.  I have long since abandoned hope of that becoming reality, but we do have some entertaining games instead.

 

  Ice-Queen

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5/10/13 3:55:37 PM#59
Originally posted by xKopogerox

Doesn't make any sense to me, but that's the reality. When I got my PC in 2001 I was fortunate to buy Ultima Online and in 2003 Star Wars Galaxies and when comparing to anything else that came afterward, nothing comes close.

I'll just add the valid reasons why the statement above is pure truth.

Ultima Online:

#1 Open world allowing fully customizable houses and buy/p2p ensured anyone could own only 1 property. And I could build anything from a simple, small marble shop or a huge castle or keep.

#2 Realistic economy. I had to trade with others at the bank or sell my items at my house through my vendors.

#3 More professions, skills and freedom in character building than anything else I can think of. I could be things like a treasure hunter, tamer, thief in additional to all the crafting and combat abilities.

#4 I could pick paths how I played my character, both evil or good with an actual reputation and my actions impacted the community.

#5 Combat was so well done where both gear and skills were equally important. If I saw multiple players together I could still avoid being gank killed if I was skilled enough on my mount or even kill multiple players 1 by 1 by separating them from each other.

#6 Immersion was top notch. The music and theme, days turning into nights was just simply amazing. The 2d graphics were detailed, which were far more pleasant than many 3d MMO's that came afterward with ugly 3rd pixels.

#7 Faction system. Giving players the opportunity to be elected and voted to run for sheriff, faction leader and more. How cool it would be to command your own faction, being the only one who can send a message to everyone in it when they are needed?

#8 Freedom to steal and kill almost anywhere with full loot and even cut players heads that show their name and even decorate my house with em, lol. There was a trade off, which made PvP actually fun and worthy to do with risks and rewards.

#9 Items decay with deep and advanced crafting ensured that being a blacksmith or armorsmith or potion maker or w/e was as valuable and worthy to do than just PvP or PvE.

#10 Talkin about PvE, there were open world dungeons filled with anything from lich lords to dragons with rare and legendary loot as well as items that could make you gain more powerful skills.

 

I'm sure there is more, but this is just example of a MMORPG that I was playing 12 years ago that just demonstrates what I said above is just pure truth. There were tons of items, artifacts, very few bugs and dont remember about exploits, hacking, botting or any other cheating. Only reason I stop playing it over the long run is because developers kept changing and changing it far more than it should've been. If it ain't broken don't fix it and 3rd party programs came afterwards that allowed macros and simplified combat that completely changed the way PvP was meant to be.

I'll continue about Star Wars Galaxies later on, but yea. It's just sad for all those post WOW era players, never having the opportunity to actually experience a truly enjoyable MMORPG's.

What doesn't make sense is how the most advanced MMORPG's happened decades ago...

It's sad but true, older mmorpg's like Ultima Online and Asheron's Call had so much more to them than today's instanced, craptastic, so called, mmorpg's.

#10 is a big one for me, I despise today's so called mmo's with instanced dungeons. I miss dungeons that were opened to more than just a group of people. I t was nice to walk into a dungeon filled with monsters and people all about adventuring.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  pmw4friend

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5/10/13 4:03:58 PM#60
Its really sad but that's 100% true mmo's back then where a lot more creative and unique then any other mmo afterwards .. :|
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