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General Discussion  » EA Conference call: SWTOR with just under 500k subs, 1.7 million free to play

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  C_Glass

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5/08/13 9:57:28 AM#121

I enjoy watching the negative nancies squirm at these numbers, and who knows how much cash the cash shop is generating off the f2p and sub players. 

 

Hey, bitter worts, guess what? This game is going to continue on being a success, and you guys will continue to hate. Who wins? You're still on these forums more than a year later complaining about a game you don't play because your lives are empty, good job. 

  User Deleted
5/08/13 10:03:57 AM#122

Game A has 1 billion subscribers.

Game B has 200 thousand subscribers.

 

Person logs into Game A and runs across maybe one player in game while questing.

Person logs into Game B and runs into 3 people while questing and they form a group together.

 

Which game is really the better game to be playing?  Game A or game B?

 

Numbers only mean something if you personally see them... otherwise they are just numbers on paper and nothing more.

  strangiato2112

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5/08/13 10:10:46 AM#123
Originally posted by marsh9799
 It's missing many basic elements that we've come to expect from MMOs. 

name one

 

Again, I don't even personally like the game very much but people post some ridiculous trash

  mrrshann618

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5/08/13 10:15:05 AM#124
Originally posted by pmiles

Game A has 1 billion subscribers.

Game B has 200 thousand subscribers.

 

Person logs into Game A and runs across maybe one player in game while questing.

Person logs into Game B and runs into 3 people while questing and they form a group together.

 

Which game is really the better game to be playing?  Game A or game B?

 

Numbers only mean something if you personally see them... otherwise they are just numbers on paper and nothing more.

This is interesting. I can log into SWTOR and basically get into many different types of groups on just about any planet. Many planets have multiple instances. f2p has all made this happen. So what that I'm not a sub. Someone is spending the money I would have on unlocks that I can get through the GTN. Either way EA is getting money from me in one form or another.

 

IF SWTOR is option B I'd rather play that instead of A. Now if there was a "C" where there are 1 billion subs, and there are tons of 1 person groups everywhere and "barrens chat" is running rampant. I'd still rather play "B" since the basic noobs and haters are not playing and as such I'll have a much better playing experience.

 

So as someone has stated earlier. The game is expanding, Yeah there may be some discrepancy in the "published numbers" but it still does not discount that the game is getting better. So I just have to laugh at all the nay-sayers that have been bashing the game for over a year, touting the wonders of a dead game as the direct competition, still are here bashing ANY "good" news that they just cannot accept

  marsh9799

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5/08/13 10:16:25 AM#125
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by marsh9799
 It's missing many basic elements that we've come to expect from MMOs. 

name one

 

Again, I don't even personally like the game very much but people post some ridiculous trash

Macros.  Add ons.  Server transfers.  "World PvP" (large scale PvP).  It was missing more at release.

  BearKnight

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5/08/13 10:18:35 AM#126

What are they identifying as a "subscriber"? Only people paying $15? I highly doubt such a terrible game has that many people paying a subscription per month. Especially when EA is known for bending the truth on a daily basis to extreme levels.

 

Also, 1.7 million free players just means 1.7 million people REGISTERED new accounts. It doesn't mean they still play.

 

Measure the average unique logins for both subscribers & F2P players for a month and then we'll talk. EA won't do that because it'd ruin the lie they have been building.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

5/08/13 10:18:42 AM#127
Originally posted by C_Glass

I enjoy watching the negative nancies squirm at these numbers, and who knows how much cash the cash shop is generating off the f2p and sub players. 

 

Hey, bitter worts, guess what? This game is going to continue on being a success, and you guys will continue to hate. Who wins? You're still on these forums more than a year later complaining about a game you don't play because your lives are empty, good job. 

I don't squirm at the numbers, only the people like you who do not get what the numbers mean and think the numbers are great.

These numbers would be great for many other P2P MMOs, but SWTOR needs a whole lot more as EA said that they needed 500K subs to break even. If Vanguard needed that many it would not have survived long, the reason Vanguard suvived many years as P2P is because it did not need many players.

When you look at the numbers of some other F2P MMOs, these are pathetic in comparison. Clone Wars Adventures got 8 million accounts in the first year, and 10 million by the 2nd year.

Unless they come up with some awesome new content,  then game is just going to continue to drop subs. There is no awesome new content coming as of yet.

 

  monarc333

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5/08/13 10:19:22 AM#128

Hows that quote go: "Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated?"

I'm happy for the Star Wars crowd. Its a good game, not great, but solid game with some really nice aspects to it.

But the game aside, it sure seems like FTP is the right choice for mmo's these days. Even Freemium models work. These new games coming out thinking about subs should really think twice.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

5/08/13 10:20:19 AM#129
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by marsh9799
 It's missing many basic elements that we've come to expect from MMOs. 

name one

 

Again, I don't even personally like the game very much but people post some ridiculous trash

There are loads listed in this thread for starters

  mrrshann618

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Joined: 4/25/12
Posts: 189

5/08/13 10:22:00 AM#130

Many games are dropping Macros

Many games are dropping official add-ons

Server transfers are fickle, at any one time game stop those. Many if the games I play do not currently have them either

SO

the only thing that you have that realy has a leg to stand in is "large scale PvP"

but then again there are many games that also do not do that, only Instanced PvP..

SO once again sorry, you missed that mark

 

  baphamet

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5/08/13 10:23:58 AM#131


Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by akiira69

Originally posted by Greyhooff I can't believe you guys still believe the massaged numbers coming out of EA. It's like you don't learn your lesson. We know the subs are lower, much lower than 500k. They're including anyone who has been subbed at any time in the last year. And every account created since they went F2P in their F2P calculation, even the ones who stopped before level 20 cap. It's hilarious, but not illegal. Come on guys, we know EA has been doing this with SWTOR since the start. This is not new. Don't fall for it again lol
Show us these "supposed" facts that show the actual subs number is lower than 500k ill be over here eating my fried chicken while i wait.
The conference call stated that the subs were just below 500K

Also I believe the sub numbers but I think they were bloated following the release of Makeb. A lot of people subbed to get Makeb for $10 instead of $20, even myself. The sub numbers are no doubt even lower now.

Unless they do start bringing out loads of worthwhile new content (eg Cathar race is nice but not wortwhile (although I have been holding back a char on this but plenty others have gotten all they can stomach out the game to bother playing it again with just a new race. If there was a new class as well then it would have been worthwhile), the macrobinocular quests look worthwhile although have not tried that yet), then subs will just continue to drop from here on out.


i actually didn't notice that many more people playing after the expansion went live, the servers are still as full as they were before.

the server pop have not dropped since going F2P that i can tell, i am sure eventually it will but i don't think it will be as soon as you hope it will.

either way you are not getting a SW sandbox game so you may as well save your breath.

  strangiato2112

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5/08/13 10:24:59 AM#132
Originally posted by marsh9799
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by marsh9799
 It's missing many basic elements that we've come to expect from MMOs. 

name one

 

Again, I don't even personally like the game very much but people post some ridiculous trash

Macros.  Add ons.  Server transfers.  "World PvP" (large scale PvP).  It was missing more at release.

Macros and addons arent basic elements at all.  In fact, lots of people dislike addons.  As for world PvP, poorly implemented doesnt mean its not there.

  doodphace

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5/08/13 10:26:42 AM#133
in any event, it shows that the game has a healthy stable population of active subscribers. That in and of itself is a good sign for those who play it.
  ShakyMo

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5/08/13 10:28:04 AM#134
How about living breathing world

Rather than a world of perpetual midday, populated by clones suffering from rigormortis.
  strangiato2112

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5/08/13 10:29:42 AM#135
Originally posted by ShakyMo
How about living breathing world

Rather than a world of perpetual midday, populated by clones suffering from rigormortis.

Were talking basic MMO elements, not things that are sadly somewhat rare in MMOs

  marsh9799

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Joined: 11/30/10
Posts: 101

5/08/13 10:30:57 AM#136
Originally posted by mrrshann618

Many games are dropping Macros

Many games are dropping official add-ons

Server transfers are fickle, at any one time game stop those. Many if the games I play do not currently have them either

SO

the only thing that you have that realy has a leg to stand in is "large scale PvP"

but then again there are many games that also do not do that, only Instanced PvP..

SO once again sorry, you missed that mark

 

Almost every MMO out there has all four of the elements I've listed.  Add-ons and Macros go back a long, long time.  Large scale PvP is a more recent development, but pretty much every major MMO has it these days.

 

Add-ons are very important because default UIs have a very strong tendency to be absolutely terrible.

  marsh9799

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5/08/13 10:32:08 AM#137
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by marsh9799
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by marsh9799
 It's missing many basic elements that we've come to expect from MMOs. 

name one

 

Again, I don't even personally like the game very much but people post some ridiculous trash

Macros.  Add ons.  Server transfers.  "World PvP" (large scale PvP).  It was missing more at release.

Macros and addons arent basic elements at all.  In fact, lots of people dislike addons.  As for world PvP, poorly implemented doesnt mean its not there.

They're pretty basic.  They've been there since Everquest.  Almost every major MMO has them.  They have them for a reason- it allows substantially more flexibility in ability usage.

  ShakyMo

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5/08/13 10:34:02 AM#138
Strangia
Look at the game it cloned
That's not perpetual midday
You don't go in a tavern and every npc looks
  MadDemon64

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5/08/13 10:34:29 AM#139
Originally posted by AG-Vuk
Congrats EA, not the game I hoped for or expected, but obvious popular enough to gain control of the IP for games a make money.

Hey, SW:TOR is a very good game.  It's just not a very good MMO.  If they had turned SW:TOR into SW:KOTOR 3 and made it a single player game with a multiplayer option, people would not be complaining anywhere near as much and be singing its praises a lot more.

Besides, EA didn't make the game, they just published it.  Its like hating SEGA for Aliens: Colonial Marines.  Yea, its a bad game, but SEGA didn't make it.  Its poorness is the fault of Gearbox, Timegate, and Nerve.  You can blame SEGA for stuff like Sonic Free Riders, but not Aliens: Colonial Marines.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  mrrshann618

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5/08/13 10:34:54 AM#140
Originally posted by ShakyMo
How about living breathing world

Rather than a world of perpetual midday, populated by clones suffering from rigormortis.

Well if you are going to talk about a living breathing world what about season changes?
Why not? how how about actual weather changes, not just set rain on/off

Please spare me your "living breathing world BS" until a game can actually get it right. Night/day is nothing special

If night/day is your definition of a "living breathing world" I feel sorry for you.

 

Mobs have been "clones" for ages, no game has truely been able to do any different, NPCs are the same

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