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  Elikal

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OP  5/07/13 7:20:09 PM#1

Ok I just had the most unfortunate realization. I had queued for "Mad Dragon" Dungeon which I had not yet seen. While I waited (long!) in the queue, due to question I levelled up, and suddenly the note: "You have been removed from the queue."

WHAT
THE
FUCK?!

I mean, seriously? No downlevelling? No chance to just join a group even though you are a level or two too high? You aren't leaving that to ME, the player?

This isn't right and tbh it SERIOUSLY pisses me off, when I am locked out from content because of THAT!

THAT IS NOT FUNNY!

I actually CAME to a D&D MMO for the dungeons, for GROUP dungeons. What am I supposed to do while waiting HOURS in the queue? Knitting? Reading books? Of course I level!

 

Grrrr..

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Skymourne

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5/07/13 7:26:05 PM#2

Yeah, if that's how it works, then that is a serious oversight on their part.  Weird.

 

  David_Lopan

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5/07/13 7:27:31 PM#3
It is open beta, you should write them and I agree, this should be addressed.  Dungeons should have a level range and if you level during queue, they should throw you a bone (like keeping you from leveling until after).
  Leiloni

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5/07/13 7:28:45 PM#4
Most games don't downlevel you, I don't know why you'd expect this one to. The only game I've ever heard of that did that was GW2 but downleveling was touted as one of their big cool "features" of the game that made it different from every other MMO.
  waynejr2

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5/07/13 7:30:04 PM#5
Shouldn't down level for a dnd game. They should only allow you access to appropriate level dungeons.
  Aerowyn

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5/07/13 7:32:35 PM#6
Originally posted by Leiloni
Most games don't downlevel you, I don't know why you'd expect this one to. The only game I've ever heard of that did that was GW2 but downleveling was touted as one of their big cool "features" of the game that made it different from every other MMO.

yea think gw2 spoiled some people in this regard.. although i really think its a MUST HAVE feature(or at least an optional version like Rift and couple other themeparks) in a themepark game now though.. 

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  Vannor

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5/07/13 7:34:03 PM#7

You could always just go in through the dungeon's door. There's elite versions of all the dungeon's at max level as well.

Skirmishes are the real problem because there's no way to do them once you out level them.

  Lokberg

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5/07/13 7:36:10 PM#8

You should be able to go into dungeon if you make your party and walk to dungeon. 

 

This is just imo donno if you can do it.

 

 

  Vannor

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5/07/13 7:37:23 PM#9
Originally posted by Lokberg

You should be able to go into dungeon if you make your party and walk to dungeon. 

This is just imo donno if you can do it.

You can

  AIMonster

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5/07/13 11:42:17 PM#10
Probably the biggest downside of the game for me (P2W is only a close second) is that there is no mentoring/apprenticeship/sidekicking/level sync/level scaling feature in the game so playing with friends is a chore and unrewarding.  We have a guild of people playing all different levels and can't really play together.

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  cybertrucker

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5/07/13 11:44:10 PM#11
umm instead of complaining here on MMORPG.com.. You could put it on their website in a friendly sort of suggestion way. just saying.
  Ghavrigg

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5/07/13 11:47:33 PM#12
I like how the OP says it like it's the norm in all games when it's only been in a few. Still, yes, it's better to have it than not, for sure.
  akiira69

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Need longer quote limits.

5/07/13 11:48:22 PM#13
the reason why is because Chinese farmers use this tactic to farm areas. i for one am glad you cant de-level.

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  AIMonster

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5/07/13 11:55:01 PM#14
Originally posted by akiira69
the reason why is because Chinese farmers use this tactic to farm areas. i for one am glad you cant de-level.

Punishing normal players for things Chinese farmers do is never a valid reason.  I'm glad you don't like the fact we can't downlevel, but for people who want to group with their friends and guildies it's a serious issue.

Besides, I fail to see how this effects Chinese farmers.  Actually the best way to farm right now I found is to go into a Dungeon at higher level and sell the blues (since everything in the game is BoE) bosses drop on the auction house.  If anything downscaling would make it more difficult to do that since you can't steamroll through dungeons like Cloak Tower with a level 60 if you are downscaled to the appropriate level.  Could you explain how downscaling benefits farmers?  You still the same loot clearing low level things at level 60 and it's far faster when you are one shotting everything.

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  akiira69

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Need longer quote limits.

5/08/13 12:35:50 AM#15
Originally posted by AIMonster
Originally posted by akiira69
the reason why is because Chinese farmers use this tactic to farm areas. i for one am glad you cant de-level.

Punishing normal players for things Chinese farmers do is never a valid reason.  I'm glad you don't like the fact we can't downlevel, but for people who want to group with their friends and guildies it's a serious issue.

Besides, I fail to see how this effects Chinese farmers.  Actually the best way to farm right now I found is to go into a Dungeon at higher level and sell the blues (since everything in the game is BoE) bosses drop on the auction house.  If anything downscaling would make it more difficult to do that since you can't steamroll through dungeons like Cloak Tower with a level 60 if you are downscaled to the appropriate level.  Could you explain how downscaling benefits farmers?  You still the same loot clearing low level things at level 60 and it's far faster when you are one shotting everything.

So basically what you want is the same type of system that is in STO and EQ2 a mentoring Service. where you are the same level as the lowbie to help them with quests. with the amount of people that are in game at any given time i dont see a need for it. id rather see Cryptic fix the issues with server stability and bugs. this is open beta people wait till the game goes live to ask for goodies like this.

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  AIMonster

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5/08/13 12:43:43 AM#16
Originally posted by akiira69

So basically what you want is the same type of system that is in STO and EQ2 a mentoring Service. where you are the same level as the lowbie to help them with quests. with the amount of people that are in game at any given time i dont see a need for it. id rather see Cryptic fix the issues with server stability and bugs. this is open beta people wait till the game goes live to ask for goodies like this.

It's actually a system that is in nearly every modern MMO in some form or another.  I can list about 20 MMOs that have such a service.  I think Cryptic mentioned they are going to add the system in later, but it's shocking they don't have it in place considering it's in every other Cryptic MMO at release.

The need for it is I can't play a MMO with my community because we are all different levels and trying to stay at the same level is hard to schedule around, tedious, slow, and doesn't allow me to play the game solo when I want to.  It may not effect you, maybe you aren't part of a large guild or gaming community, but it certainly effects us when we can't play together because there is no system like this in place.

Please don't play the "open beta" card either.  Once you start charging for a game and not wiping characters you forfeit the right to use the term open beta IMO.

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  waynejr2

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5/08/13 3:49:52 AM#17
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Leiloni
Most games don't downlevel you, I don't know why you'd expect this one to. The only game I've ever heard of that did that was GW2 but downleveling was touted as one of their big cool "features" of the game that made it different from every other MMO.

yea think gw2 spoiled some people in this regard.. although i really think its a MUST HAVE feature(or at least an optional version like Rift and couple other themeparks) in a themepark game now though.. 

 If all games started doing this like gw2, that would be the thing that ends my mmorpg hobby.

  SavageHorizon

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5/08/13 3:58:31 AM#18
Originally posted by Elikal

Ok I just had the most unfortunate realization. I had queued for "Mad Dragon" Dungeon which I had not yet seen. While I waited (long!) in the queue, due to question I levelled up, and suddenly the note: "You have been removed from the queue."

WHAT
THE
FUCK?!

I mean, seriously? No downlevelling? No chance to just join a group even though you are a level or two too high? You aren't leaving that to ME, the player?

This isn't right and tbh it SERIOUSLY pisses me off, when I am locked out from content because of THAT!

THAT IS NOT FUNNY!

I actually CAME to a D&D MMO for the dungeons, for GROUP dungeons. What am I supposed to do while waiting HOURS in the queue? Knitting? Reading books? Of course I level!

 

Grrrr..

Just like TESO which imo is a good thing.

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  Snigerknud

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5/08/13 4:03:25 AM#19

That happend to me to, you cant que for it if you are to "high" level BUT you can go in as normal in the old facion way...so you have to LFG thing :) in the chat

 

  Kyleran

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5/08/13 4:14:37 AM#20
So, the moral of the story is don't continue to level if you know you are at the top end of a dungeon and want to join a party via the DF tool. Or, if you are too high level, go form your own party of friends as the game won't stop you from doing this.

I really don't see the problem.

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