Trending Games | ArcheAge | WildStar | World of Warcraft | Elder Scrolls Online

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,736,607 Users Online:0
Games:714  Posts:6,175,204
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » Proof of sandbox popularity?

12 Pages First « 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 » Last Search
228 posts found
  Quirhid

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/28/05
Posts: 5492

I dare you to pin a label on me.

5/07/13 5:51:35 PM#81
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

The people that answer posts are subset (people that answer posts) of a subset (people that go to that forum) of a subset (people that go to forums) of a population (mmo players) of a subset (gamers in general).

Using a subset of a subset of a subset of a subset of a population as proof of anything , or even as an inference to anything is  completely absurd.

Indeed. The classic example would be the 1936 US presidential election predictions by The Literary Digest. This is why all grand conclusions made on the basis of forum polls are likely to be utter nonsense.

Its pretty much marketing 101. Hell, its common sense!

I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  IsilithTehroth

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/14/05
Posts: 140

5/07/13 7:58:50 PM#82
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Tierless

Still not there yet...lets try this.

I think most experienced MMO players prefer skilltree  based over classbased..... the feature should be added to a true sandbox, but can be added to any themepark too..

The problem is most of the class based games lack depth to their classes.  A big part of EQ's success was its wonderful class system.  it took several years for AA to provide any customization, but the classes played off each other so well.

The big problem with an open ended system is you can lose a ton of depth.  Rift has absolutely atrocious depth for instance.  yeah, you have great freedom in choosing your abilities but the result is a very meh amoeba of a character that is exactly the same as everyone else because with one button they can exactly mirror you.

A D&D type system is best IMO.  look at a game like Neverwinter Nights...class based but between assigning feats and prestige classes and epic levels and all that it was incredibly deep.

I think classes give a good framework for customization on top of them, and the multispec trends needs to stop at 2 or 3 tops.

In my opinion the best system is one with similiar combat to Darkfall online, except with a skill cap that intertwines both crafting and combat so you have to pick and choose.  Tab targetting is a thing of the past. New mmorpgs should at least have an Aoc/Dcuo style combat.

MurderHerd

  nariusseldon

Elite Member

Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 19124

5/07/13 9:04:53 PM#83
Poll is not accurate because of self-selection.
  nariusseldon

Elite Member

Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 19124

5/07/13 9:06:14 PM#84
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by simsalabim77
EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

Without using the word EVE point out a sandbox that has a large player base?

Skyrim, Minecraft, The Sims, Etropia

Skyrim is not a sandbox. You follow a quest line as much in SKYRIM as in WOW. And there is instant travel.

Minecraft is not even a combat RPG.

 

  Drakephire

Novice Member

Joined: 4/02/13
Posts: 352

5/07/13 9:25:08 PM#85
I think the most you can say is that sandbox is a valid form of game design.  This is proven by the success of games like Minecraft, Second Life, and to some extent EVE (sandbox lite). But just like Themeparks, there are sandbox failures too. So to put a value judgment on the 'popularity' of sandbox design is sort of futile.
  Drakephire

Novice Member

Joined: 4/02/13
Posts: 352

5/07/13 9:34:34 PM#86
Originally posted by nariusseldon
 

Skyrim is not a sandbox. You follow a quest line as much in SKYRIM as in WOW. And there is instant travel.

Minecraft is not even a combat RPG.

 

The designations of sandbox and themepark are not black and white categories. Better to classify games on a spectrum the boundaries of which are delineated by sandbox and themepark.

Skyrim is certainly more sandboxy than WoW. It's far easier to avoid quests in Skyrim and still progress whereas that is far more difficult to do in WoW. For example, in Skyrim at the moment, I'm playing a hunter...and by hunter I mean a character who just goes around and shoots elk, moose, deer, goats, etc. He doesn't really do any of the quests unless he comes across one that tests his 'hunting' prowess.  You could also endeavor to be an excellent thief in Skyrim and burgle all the hundreds of buildings in Skyrim.

 

As for Minecraft and combat...a sandbox isn't solely defined by whether combat is allowed or not. Having said that, plenty of Minecraft servers are PvP oriented and allow combat as well as devious trap building to vanquish an opponent.

  Ice-Queen

Novice Member

Joined: 1/02/08
Posts: 2430

"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

5/07/13 9:36:18 PM#87
Originally posted by simsalabim77
EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

I don't think a sandbox mmo is a niche audience, I think a sci-fi mmo is niche. Myself, I just don't like Sci-Fi mmo's and will not play them. I prefer the fantasy type mmorpgs instead.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
Dark Age of Camelot

  eyelolled

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/13/10
Posts: 3082

I am more than some of my parts

5/07/13 9:36:26 PM#88

I don't like the OP's poll, it's to "black and white".  I would LOVE to play a sandbox, but I have to desire to play a free-for-all gank-fest toilet seat² mmo (I use the toilet seat analogy because of all the assholes that seem to accumulate there - ba dum tshh ©)

 

² The descriptive Free-for-all gank-fest toilet seat mmo is a copyrighted term. No unauthorized reproduction in whole or in parts shall be permitted without the express written consent of eyelolled, eyelulz, layZeye, or Hairinmysoup Productions³.  This means you punk!!

³ eyelolled has no actual affiliation to any person, persona, company or institution that actually may have legal rights to the names eyelulz, layZeye, or Hairinmysoup Productions.

All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

  DavisFlight

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/25/12
Posts: 2388

5/07/13 9:39:19 PM#89
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Is there any proof that sandboxes are popular at all?

 

\
The only two MMOs with growing subs and companies behind them are sandbox MMOs (Eve, Darkfall)
 

And Eve grew to be... only a little more than the average themepark.  And Darkfall, which just released will grow to be... a little less than the average themepark.

Developer choice - make game A sell 1-2 million on release and then drop to 50-500k players and sustain that.

                                        or Game B - sell 40-100k and raise to 50-500k and sustain that.

hahahah oh man you wish that themepark games had 500k subs. Age of Conan would DIE for that much. All of them would.

  Opapanax

Novice Member

Joined: 10/29/11
Posts: 983

Most Morbid One

5/07/13 9:53:19 PM#90

I way prefer Sandbox games to Themepark games. I think a heavy Sandbox with light Themeparky content could really go a long way. The Themeparky part could be more story PVE based to tie the playerbase into the lore.

Then leave us the Sandbox to further expand on the story with maybe some Themeparky content put in later dependent on whatever metrics one would want to use to develope from.

I think there are some good examples of "popular" or well recieved at least Sandboxes. EVE Online ofc is one of them, I think Age of Wushu has a lot of appeal for Sandboxers also and does keep a slight hint of a themepark with its lighter PVE content much like EVE.

EQ Next hopefully will draw in more of the newer generation of gamers who are more accustomed to Themeparks and for us more Sandboxy people.. Enough Sand in the Box to keep us happy..

It will take a major company with some serious backing to attempt such a grand Sandbox like we're all mostly hoping for. Unfortunately now that titles such as SWTOR have shown that even with millions in the hundreds of backing doesn't neccessarily garuntee a gold nugget of joy and will sway more major developing teams away from attempting such a task.

I'd be very interested to see Sandbox element game with the same sort of backing that Bioware / EA had on that project..

PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  bcbully

Elite Member

Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 6964

5/07/13 9:58:10 PM#91
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by bcbully
15 million playing Age of Wushu worldwide (more than WoW). 

Are you sure? I mean the game is f2p right?  So how do you know how many people are actively playing vs accounts created?

f2p with sub option. Analyst did say it had 20 million players. Snail says 15 million. Maybe one is subs, and one is accounts.

  VengeSunsoar

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/10/04
Posts: 4688

Be Brief, Be Bright... Be Gone.

5/07/13 11:03:06 PM#92
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Is there any proof that sandboxes are popular at all?

 

\
The only two MMOs with growing subs and companies behind them are sandbox MMOs (Eve, Darkfall)
 

And Eve grew to be... only a little more than the average themepark.  And Darkfall, which just released will grow to be... a little less than the average themepark.

Developer choice - make game A sell 1-2 million on release and then drop to 50-500k players and sustain that.

                                        or Game B - sell 40-100k and raise to 50-500k and sustain that.

hahahah oh man you wish that themepark games had 500k subs. Age of Conan would DIE for that much. All of them would.

 Several do have near 500k subs.  and I said 50-500 which pretty much all of them have.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  zwei2

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/02/08
Posts: 301

5/08/13 1:30:40 AM#93

The proof lies on reverse psychology.

 

This market can only hold this many themeparks before players had enough of themepark nonsense. Together with the lack of quality and well-known sandboxes, players will point fingers at themeparks, saying themeparks is no longer popular. But since sandboxes' popularity neither wax nor wane, it will stand out, and be proclaimed as the new popular kid, even the sandbox did nothing over the years.

The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.

  Konfess

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/10/07
Posts: 695

5/08/13 1:39:00 AM#94

BTW all the themepark players are playing/paying a themepark game right now.  Only sandbox gamers have the free time to answer polls.

Pardon any spelling errors
Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.

  SavageHorizon

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/14/13
Posts: 1547

5/08/13 1:57:25 AM#95
Originally posted by Shadowguy64
Would a sandbox work for a non-PVP centric crowd?

 

Yes, anyone thinking that EQN is going to be a PVP mmo first and foremost will be in for a shock. Yes it will have a PVP system don't look to that game for all your PvP kicks.

Coolermaster Cosmos II Case
Corsair AX1200W Modular PSU
Intel Core i7 3970X OC 4.50GHz
Asus P9X79 PRO Intel X7
16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-1866MHz
840 Series 250GB SSDs
Seagate Barracuda 2TB HDDs
EVGA SuperClocked GTX TITAN 6GB GDDR5 SLi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0i88t0Kacs

  SavageHorizon

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/14/13
Posts: 1547

5/08/13 2:09:44 AM#96
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by simsalabim77
EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

EQ at its peak.  SWTOR still has almost 500k subs currently and they have stated that it is trending higher as f2p gamers make the switch.  I don't know the numbers for Rift, but I have a feeling it is on par with Eve if not surpassing it.

 

I prefer a nice mix of themepark and sanbox elements, but if I have to go strictly one or the other, I'll take themepark over a complete sandbox anyday.  I did not like UO or SWG or A Tale of the Desert, the only sandbox games I have played.  I have never wanted to try Eve as I am not fond of games that play more like a spreadsheet.  I do not find number crunching fun and I learned that the hard way in Anarchy Online.

 

EQ wasn't a themepark it was a hybrid, it was skill based and had a class system. You can't put EQ in the same bracket as WOW or Rift. Are you sure you actually played EQ, also the game peaked at around 500k.

Coolermaster Cosmos II Case
Corsair AX1200W Modular PSU
Intel Core i7 3970X OC 4.50GHz
Asus P9X79 PRO Intel X7
16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-1866MHz
840 Series 250GB SSDs
Seagate Barracuda 2TB HDDs
EVGA SuperClocked GTX TITAN 6GB GDDR5 SLi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0i88t0Kacs

  Quirhid

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/28/05
Posts: 5492

I dare you to pin a label on me.

5/08/13 2:17:21 AM#97
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Vorthanion
 

 

EQ wasn't a themepark it was a hybrid, it was skill based and had a class system. You can't put EQ in the same bracket as WOW or Rift. Are you sure you actually played EQ, also the game peaked at around 500k.

The character building system hardly determines whether a game is themepark of sandbox. A themepark can be classless just as much a sandbox can have classes.

I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  Icewhite

Made History

Joined: 7/11/11
Posts: 6495

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

5/08/13 2:52:28 AM#98
Originally posted by DamonVile
how many ppl actually think mmorpg.com represents your avg mmo gamer ?

 

Does mmorpg.com represent the average gamer?

Yes
No
(login to vote)

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  SavageHorizon

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/14/13
Posts: 1547

5/08/13 3:15:24 AM#99
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Vorthanion
 

 

EQ wasn't a themepark it was a hybrid, it was skill based and had a class system. You can't put EQ in the same bracket as WOW or Rift. Are you sure you actually played EQ, also the game peaked at around 500k.

The character building system hardly determines whether a game is themepark of sandbox. A themepark can be classless just as much a sandbox can have classes.

Did you miss the part where i said hybrid?

EQ1 didn’t originally have any goals. Hitting the level cap wasn’t something the devs particularly expected anyone to do  after all, the content pretty much ran out in the late thirties/early forties until the planes were released (for levels 46+). It was fully designed to be a 3D MUD, a place for people to chat and socialize while killing stuff and collecting gear and exploring.

 

EQ explicitly added the raid tool with the Planes of Power expansion, remember finally not having to use /ooc, /auc and /shout to coordinate raids? And the reason you had to do this was because people would be xping in raid zones. They’d stick big bad monsters in the same place lower levels were getting stuff done.

 

Sometimes the raid bosses would just be roaming the zones, looking for players to eat. Not on the edges like WoW’s open world roamers (who, iirc, weren’t initially aggro and also you could run from), but like Gorenaire and others, actively making you regret damaging your dragon faction. Anyway, all raid bosses up to Gates of Discord, once killed, were killed for everyone. Talk about stuff to fight over.

 

On the PvP servers, at least Tallon and Vallon Zek, factions could take control of whole zones. Trying to figure out which zones were safe to travel through TODAY was murder. Literally.

 

UO, EQ, AC and arguably DAoC were MMOs developed before catagories existed. It’s only the next stage of MMOs that had the vantage point to look back and see, from all that had gone before, upon what philosophies to base their game. UO was based on little tile-based RPGs. EQ was based on MUDs.

 

The only real way they were connected is they were both multiplayer and real-time. Neither intended from the start to provide anything more than a fun virtual world of adventure. So in that respect, in that philosophy, they are the same.Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. WoW originated the theme park, and its popularity forced that model everywhere else. Including, ultimately, EQ2.

If EQ needs to be placed into the later catogories of sandbox/themepark/hybrid then you would have to say hybrid.

Did you actually play classic EQ?

 

Coolermaster Cosmos II Case
Corsair AX1200W Modular PSU
Intel Core i7 3970X OC 4.50GHz
Asus P9X79 PRO Intel X7
16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-1866MHz
840 Series 250GB SSDs
Seagate Barracuda 2TB HDDs
EVGA SuperClocked GTX TITAN 6GB GDDR5 SLi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0i88t0Kacs

  Nibs

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/26/04
Posts: 193

5/08/13 3:28:11 AM#100

I want both in the same game.

SWG was a fantastic sandbox, but I always felt it needed more directed content.

WoW was (was) a great theme park, but I always felt it needed more depth/sandboxiness.

Combine the scripted/directed content with the crafting, housing, class structure etc of SWG and I'll be all over that like white on rice.

12 Pages First « 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 » Last Search