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General Discussion  » EA Conference call: SWTOR with just under 500k subs, 1.7 million free to play

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  Sevenstar61

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5/07/13 9:24:16 PM#61
Originally posted by austriacus

No clue ...-_- I don't think he understands how many people that is for an mmo.

I cant talk about Tera currently or rift, but Aion is the WoW in asia with millions of subs and in the financialreport from NCsoft Lineage 1 was gaining  in Q3 of 2012(the same quarter GW2 released with 2 million boxes) the same amount as GW2

Lineage 2 is not far behind either. So yeah Swtor in terms of sub games is what...5th or 6th?

All this information is public by the way, just go to ncsoft page (owner of most of the games he listed)

Aion is F2P - no subs.

Lineage 1 - weren't all US servers shut down?

Lineage 2 is F2P hybrid ?? - please link sub numbers


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  baphamet

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5/07/13 9:30:01 PM#62

SWTOR gets more unwarranted hate than any MMO to date including wow.

but if you take the emotion out of it, its a pretty decent game and better than most of the crap out there that a lot of people here claim is better.

especially if you are a KOTOR fan, because then you are used to it being linear and playing the game for the stories and not the mmo endgame aspect,which is really the only area it lacks IMO

  strangiato2112

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5/07/13 9:40:53 PM#63
Originally posted by Vunak23

harharhar L1 and 2, AION and TERA are all still huge in Korea. Not to mention they still are running over here in the western market (Except L1). RIFT had just under a million subs last I checked what a year ago? And they just launched storm legion which did pretty well itself . As for UO a study came out in 2012 stating that there were a total of 495k players that had logged in in the last 30 days (November I believe it was taken) that were unguilded players. That is the last concurent data on the game so it is all we have to go by. 

Yeah, you are so off its hilarious.

Rift peaked its first month around 600k and was around 250k by the time the year ended.  Most likely its somewhere around 175-200k these days

L2, TERA and AION at their western peaks wouldnt total 500k if added together.  Brining up their success in the east is silly because the two markets are so enormously different.

UO peaked at 250k subs

  Vlacke

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5/07/13 9:46:32 PM#64
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vunak23

harharhar L1 and 2, AION and TERA are all still huge in Korea. Not to mention they still are running over here in the western market (Except L1). RIFT had just under a million subs last I checked what a year ago? And they just launched storm legion which did pretty well itself . As for UO a study came out in 2012 stating that there were a total of 495k players that had logged in in the last 30 days (November I believe it was taken) that were unguilded players. That is the last concurent data on the game so it is all we have to go by. 

Yeah, you are so off its hilarious.

Rift peaked its first month around 600k and was around 250k by the time the year ended.  Most likely its somewhere around 175-200k these days

L2, TERA and AION at their western peaks wouldnt total 500k if added together.  Brining up their success in the east is silly because the two markets are so enormously different.

UO peaked at 250k subs

Exactly, SWTOR trumps those games with ease, both in term of subscribers and the fact that it's a superior game when compared to them.

 

  Drakephire

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5/07/13 9:57:49 PM#65
Originally posted by Nikopol
Originally posted by remyburke
Those are pretty solid numbers for what it is. In 10 years they'll make their money back.

I have this feeling they have already made their money back and pulling in profits now.

This is almost certainly the case. If there's one thing EA doesn't do is throw good money after bad. If SWTOR were truly tanking, EA would cut the parachute loose and let SWTOR plummet to its death. Hell, EA wasn't even willing to support Earth and Beyond because it wasn't 'profitable enough'. 

  Tokken

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5/07/13 10:00:40 PM#66


Originally posted by DaRoamer
Just announced on the EA 4th quarter conference call.  Subs currently sitting at just under half a million subs, 1.7 million new free to play players since Nov and doubled revenues.  Sub number still growing.

A success! The game is doing better than I thought with the F2P model. Even I am playing it now. LOL

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  jadan2000

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5/07/13 10:04:59 PM#67
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by DaRoamer
Just announced on the EA 4th quarter conference call.  Subs currently sitting at just under half a million subs, 1.7 million new free to play players since Nov and doubled revenues.  Sub number still growing.

1.7 million new free to play players doesn't mean a whole lot on it's own.  Is that just new accounts that get created?  Is that a number for active players?  I'm not surprised about the revenue doubling, since they can milk the cash shop for a bit before people leave, but that's it.

The fact that subs are still not able to stay above 500k is a real problem.  Is the game considered profitable yet, or are they still being vague on that point?

ofcourse its profitable, the game made almost double its money back on box sales. Everything they are making now is in the green. people wanted this game to fail, but it hasn't, and it is a good game. it will only get better.

  SupportPlayerMM

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5/07/13 10:06:08 PM#68
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by udon

Regardless it still makes it the 2nd largest Sub based MMO I believe. 

^ This :)

Wrong.

Lineage 1 and 2 as well as RIFT and AION are much much much bigger than SWTOR in terms of accounts and subs. I even think TERA has more lol. Hell UO has 500k right now. 

Holy atrocious made up numbers batman...

  boxfetish

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5/08/13 1:35:58 AM#69
Originally posted by DaRoamer
Just announced on the EA 4th quarter conference call.  Subs currently sitting at just under half a million subs, 1.7 million new free to play players since Nov and doubled revenues.  Sub number still growing.

Great!  Now use some of that revenue to convert Warhammer to completely free to play.   What's that's EA?  You only have $ to sink into garbage games?  Oh, never mind, then.

  thinktank001

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5/08/13 1:49:19 AM#70

I stated the game had less than 300k subs before it went to the cash shop model, and it looks like EA just confirmed it. 

 

My big question is did going to the cash shop model fix any of the reasons why people were not subscribing in the first place?  If they did not fix any of the problems, then there is no reason to even care about the numbers, since they will look just as bad in a few months.

 

 

  ThumbtackJ

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5/08/13 1:56:04 AM#71

Those are some pretty decent numbers. Certainly not what they would have wanted (obviously), but not horrible. 

 

If they keep adding to and improving the game, their numbers can only get better.

 

I just came back a few days ago and rolled a Bounty Hunter and I'm having a blast. It's not perfect by any means, and is missing a lot of what I would expect from a SW MMO, but it's fun none-the-less. 

 

I'm also just bored to tears with fantasy right now. I need a sci-fi MMO and SW gives me my sci-fi fix.

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  Margulis

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5/08/13 1:56:54 AM#72
It's really interesting that people are calling these good numbers when it was originally said that if at any time they have under 1 million subs it would be considered a total failure.
  Margulis

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5/08/13 1:59:37 AM#73
Originally posted by baphamet

SWTOR gets more unwarranted hate than any MMO to date including wow.

but if you take the emotion out of it, its a pretty decent game and better than most of the crap out there that a lot of people here claim is better.

especially if you are a KOTOR fan, because then you are used to it being linear and playing the game for the stories and not the mmo endgame aspect,which is really the only area it lacks IMO

 

 

 

 

 


That highlighted word is one monstrous opinion if I've ever seen one.  As a collector's edition purchaser, planned lifer to the game, and someone who read every novel in preparation of the game's launch, I call it completely warranted.  And of course that's an opinion just like yours, neither more right or wrong.

  Acebets70

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5/08/13 2:01:12 AM#74
More like 50,000  imo
  ThumbtackJ

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5/08/13 2:01:33 AM#75
Originally posted by Margulis
It's really interesting that people are calling these good numbers when it was originally said that if at any time they have under 1 million subs it would be considered a total failure.

Well I come from a time where the peek sub number was 300k and that was considered just absolutly ridiculous.

 

I'm not aware of what their budget was and what they need to break even and all that, but ~500k subs sounds good to me. I imagine that there is at least 500k F2P people playing as well. That brings the playerbase to ~1 million. 

 

WoW is an outlier and I'm pretty much 100% certain that we'll never see that many subs to one game again. So if they were aiming for that, then I would say that that is silly. 

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  DSWBeef

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5/08/13 2:07:43 AM#76
Obviously F2P would net these kinds of numbers. Last I checked BEFORE aion went "truly free" it sat at around 1-2 mil subs in NA and EU. Rift is probably sitting at the same number of subs swtor has and thats w/o a F2P conversion boost. 

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5/08/13 2:10:28 AM#77
Originally posted by Margulis
It's really interesting that people are calling these good numbers when it was originally said that if at any time they have under 1 million subs it would be considered a total failure.

Back when it was a sub game. They said they are now making twice as much money as F2P than they ever earnt as P2P.

  Konfess

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5/08/13 2:10:32 AM#78
Originally posted by Margulis
It's really interesting that people are calling these good numbers when it was originally said that if at any time they have under 1 million subs it would be considered a total failure.

You are wrong. This is what was originally said.

 

"At half a million subscribers, the game is substantially profitable, but it's not the kind of thing we would write home about," EA CEO John Riccitiello said in a conference call accompanying EA's third quarter fiscal earnings report Feb 2011.

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  DavisFlight

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5/08/13 2:11:38 AM#79
Originally posted by Vlacke

Good numbers indeed.

Good numbers? The most expensive MMORPG and the largest marketed one can't even beat EverQuest's old sub numbers? Can't even beat Eve?

 

Not good at all.

  sethman75

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5/08/13 2:12:27 AM#80

The game now is so much better than release.

If they want to keep growing they need to keep releasing updated and interesting content.

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