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  Sovrath

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5/04/13 2:55:17 PM#101
Originally posted by tkreep
 

elder scrolls was never about being either good or evil, as the other poster said its mainly in shades of grey which makes it realistic because in reality there are no one who is perfectly good and completely evil, sometimes people make a good choice and sometimes people make a selfish choice.  Saying elder scrolls makes narnia look like a horror show is the dumbest thing i heard...elder scrolls universe is so much darker filled with mature content for the players.

no no no

You can act how you want in the elder scrolls games. I've made characters who were evil as one can be and characters that were as good as one could be.

 

  ElRenmazuo

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Joined: 10/28/06
Posts: 3831

5/04/13 4:47:13 PM#102
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Tes isn't that kind of universe

It's not a goodies vs baddies type universe, its a various shades of grey universe

well its still ES ,but what kind of ES is that which makes Narnia sound like a horror movie.

Does narnia have kids doing the black sacremant using their mothers corpse to make a contract with the dark brotherhood to kill a old hag at a orphanage? Does narnia have a perverted necromancer that kidnaps women to make them his undead sex slaves? Or how about torturing a priest til he submits himself to a demon just so u can get a demonic mace?

Now we are talking and pretty much walking ,can players do that kind of things to other players ?

If not ,it sounds like a sim city MMO,where people can do weird things,alone so who cares.

 

oh so if a game doesnt have the standard good vs evil factions fighting eachother its not adult enough is that what you saying?

Some players are good and some are not?

What kind of world is that where standard is that every player is good ? even Christian Bibles Heaven is horror movie compared to that.

 

elder scrolls was never about being either good or evil, as the other poster said its mainly in shades of grey which makes it realistic because in reality there are no one who is perfectly good and completely evil, sometimes people make a good choice and sometimes people make a selfish choice.  Saying elder scrolls makes narnia look like a horror show is the dumbest thing i heard...elder scrolls universe is so much darker filled with mature content for the players.

Well in my Skyrim or Morrowind or Oblivion i can act the way i want but in your games i cant.

Mature content is nothing if its not player made in multiplayer game,when i save someones life in multiplayer game and you kill some NPC ,theres a huge difference and you wont see anyone saving anyones lifes in world like that because there wont be anyone trying to kill anybody,because its not possible,they dont even allow anyone to try.

And because its not possible then what kind of world is that ?

but why are you comparing it to narnia? what does narnia have to do with anything player controlled?

  Shadanwolf

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Joined: 6/13/10
Posts: 1865

5/04/13 6:34:02 PM#103
OP ...I wish you had found that out months ago...so we wouldn't have to go through this weak attempt at disguised criticism of the game.
  ElRenmazuo

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Joined: 10/28/06
Posts: 3831

5/04/13 8:51:54 PM#104
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by tkreep
 

elder scrolls was never about being either good or evil, as the other poster said its mainly in shades of grey which makes it realistic because in reality there are no one who is perfectly good and completely evil, sometimes people make a good choice and sometimes people make a selfish choice.  Saying elder scrolls makes narnia look like a horror show is the dumbest thing i heard...elder scrolls universe is so much darker filled with mature content for the players.

no no no

You can act how you want in the elder scrolls games. I've made characters who were evil as one can be and characters that were as good as one could be.

 

Does that mean in one playthrough you never joined the dark brother hood and thieves guild?

  Iselin

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3702

5/05/13 12:19:41 PM#105
Originally posted by Rhonen
Originally posted by TheHavok

Why rule out a whole game that you could very well end up really liking just because one feature isn't to your liking on paper? Let's say pvp is restricted to one zone, but come launch day, people get to that zone and find out its really well made and, most importantly, extremely fun to play. Do you want to miss out on that just because you have already set limits on what features you need in order to enjoy a game?

My advice would be to just play the game and decide for yourself if its fun to you or not.

I would rather have a root-canal than take part in any sort of PvP event.

The fact that they have PvE content in a PvP area is like a slap in the face of the PvE'ers that do not wish to take part in any sort of PvP.

I'll be picking up ESO but I seriously doubt I'll play it long.  I may go through some of the content but I'll uninstall it shortly thereafter.

Have you considered that just maybe, the PvE in Cyrodiil is there for PvPers who want some PvE mixed in, not for people who hate PvP? You'd have to be blind to think that every feature in every MMO is aimed at the "no-PvP-ever" crowd.

As to what you will do with the game... makes sense. Despite marketting gobledygook to make everyone who plays MMOs in any concievable way feel welcome, the main feature of this game is RvR in Cyrodiil. If you're not into that, the game is obviously not targetted at you.

  Nanfoodle

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Joined: 5/23/06
Posts: 3360

5/05/13 9:42:56 PM#106
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Rhonen
Originally posted by TheHavok

Why rule out a whole game that you could very well end up really liking just because one feature isn't to your liking on paper? Let's say pvp is restricted to one zone, but come launch day, people get to that zone and find out its really well made and, most importantly, extremely fun to play. Do you want to miss out on that just because you have already set limits on what features you need in order to enjoy a game?

My advice would be to just play the game and decide for yourself if its fun to you or not.

I would rather have a root-canal than take part in any sort of PvP event.

The fact that they have PvE content in a PvP area is like a slap in the face of the PvE'ers that do not wish to take part in any sort of PvP.

I'll be picking up ESO but I seriously doubt I'll play it long.  I may go through some of the content but I'll uninstall it shortly thereafter.

Have you considered that just maybe, the PvE in Cyrodiil is there for PvPers who want some PvE mixed in, not for people who hate PvP? You'd have to be blind to think that every feature in every MMO is aimed at the "no-PvP-ever" crowd.

As to what you will do with the game... makes sense. Despite marketting gobledygook to make everyone who plays MMOs in any concievable way feel welcome, the main feature of this game is RvR in Cyrodiil. If you're not into that, the game is obviously not targetted at you.

Not sure I agree. There is some awesome work going on to make AvA awesome but there is a lot of talk of what they will have for PvE as well. Im just as excited about the PvE game as I am about the AvA.

  Iselin

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5/05/13 11:14:30 PM#107
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Rhonen
Originally posted by TheHavok

Why rule out a whole game that you could very well end up really liking just because one feature isn't to your liking on paper? Let's say pvp is restricted to one zone, but come launch day, people get to that zone and find out its really well made and, most importantly, extremely fun to play. Do you want to miss out on that just because you have already set limits on what features you need in order to enjoy a game?

My advice would be to just play the game and decide for yourself if its fun to you or not.

I would rather have a root-canal than take part in any sort of PvP event.

The fact that they have PvE content in a PvP area is like a slap in the face of the PvE'ers that do not wish to take part in any sort of PvP.

I'll be picking up ESO but I seriously doubt I'll play it long.  I may go through some of the content but I'll uninstall it shortly thereafter.

Have you considered that just maybe, the PvE in Cyrodiil is there for PvPers who want some PvE mixed in, not for people who hate PvP? You'd have to be blind to think that every feature in every MMO is aimed at the "no-PvP-ever" crowd.

As to what you will do with the game... makes sense. Despite marketting gobledygook to make everyone who plays MMOs in any concievable way feel welcome, the main feature of this game is RvR in Cyrodiil. If you're not into that, the game is obviously not targetted at you.

Not sure I agree. There is some awesome work going on to make AvA awesome but there is a lot of talk of what they will have for PvE as well. Im just as excited about the PvE game as I am about the AvA.

DAoC also had good PvE and I enjoyed it a lot but it was an RvR game. Saying it wasn't would be like saying WOW is a PvP game--you can PvP in it and many enjoy it but it's a PvE game.

Same thing here. There will be good PvE but I still say it's an AvA game.

  redcapp

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Joined: 5/13/11
Posts: 733

5/05/13 11:17:36 PM#108
Thinking on it now, the "mega server" thing could actually work really well for PvPers.. lumping people who want open pvp together in their own version.  That said, doubt it'll actually happen.
  Nanfoodle

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Joined: 5/23/06
Posts: 3360

5/06/13 7:19:44 AM#109
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Rhonen
Originally posted by TheHavok

Why rule out a whole game that you could very well end up really liking just because one feature isn't to your liking on paper? Let's say pvp is restricted to one zone, but come launch day, people get to that zone and find out its really well made and, most importantly, extremely fun to play. Do you want to miss out on that just because you have already set limits on what features you need in order to enjoy a game?

My advice would be to just play the game and decide for yourself if its fun to you or not.

I would rather have a root-canal than take part in any sort of PvP event.

The fact that they have PvE content in a PvP area is like a slap in the face of the PvE'ers that do not wish to take part in any sort of PvP.

I'll be picking up ESO but I seriously doubt I'll play it long.  I may go through some of the content but I'll uninstall it shortly thereafter.

Have you considered that just maybe, the PvE in Cyrodiil is there for PvPers who want some PvE mixed in, not for people who hate PvP? You'd have to be blind to think that every feature in every MMO is aimed at the "no-PvP-ever" crowd.

As to what you will do with the game... makes sense. Despite marketting gobledygook to make everyone who plays MMOs in any concievable way feel welcome, the main feature of this game is RvR in Cyrodiil. If you're not into that, the game is obviously not targetted at you.

Not sure I agree. There is some awesome work going on to make AvA awesome but there is a lot of talk of what they will have for PvE as well. Im just as excited about the PvE game as I am about the AvA.

DAoC also had good PvE and I enjoyed it a lot but it was an RvR game. Saying it wasn't would be like saying WOW is a PvP game--you can PvP in it and many enjoy it but it's a PvE game.

Same thing here. There will be good PvE but I still say it's an AvA game.

Again I dont agree. I spent about a year just doing PvE before I even did RvR in DAoC. I had lots of friends who did the same thing. I knew some guilds where their focus was PvE. I even know some players who never did RvR in DAoC. They lived in open world dungeons. My friends and I spent about 3/4 of our time in PvE. Looking back at crafting, open world dungeons and quest. alts. I bet a lot would say the same. Not to mention often the point of RvR was to controle Darkness falls, no more people would be left in RvR then needed to defend what we had, rotating people in and out of the RvR area so everyone had their turn in DF. What they are giving in ESO for PvE, I have a feeling it will be the same or even more so. There is a lot of TES fans whos focus will be PvE IMO and there is lots there for them by the current design.

  Iselin

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5/06/13 10:13:10 AM#110
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Rhonen
Originally posted by TheHavok

Why rule out a whole game that you could very well end up really liking just because one feature isn't to your liking on paper? Let's say pvp is restricted to one zone, but come launch day, people get to that zone and find out its really well made and, most importantly, extremely fun to play. Do you want to miss out on that just because you have already set limits on what features you need in order to enjoy a game?

My advice would be to just play the game and decide for yourself if its fun to you or not.

I would rather have a root-canal than take part in any sort of PvP event.

The fact that they have PvE content in a PvP area is like a slap in the face of the PvE'ers that do not wish to take part in any sort of PvP.

I'll be picking up ESO but I seriously doubt I'll play it long.  I may go through some of the content but I'll uninstall it shortly thereafter.

Have you considered that just maybe, the PvE in Cyrodiil is there for PvPers who want some PvE mixed in, not for people who hate PvP? You'd have to be blind to think that every feature in every MMO is aimed at the "no-PvP-ever" crowd.

As to what you will do with the game... makes sense. Despite marketting gobledygook to make everyone who plays MMOs in any concievable way feel welcome, the main feature of this game is RvR in Cyrodiil. If you're not into that, the game is obviously not targetted at you.

Not sure I agree. There is some awesome work going on to make AvA awesome but there is a lot of talk of what they will have for PvE as well. Im just as excited about the PvE game as I am about the AvA.

DAoC also had good PvE and I enjoyed it a lot but it was an RvR game. Saying it wasn't would be like saying WOW is a PvP game--you can PvP in it and many enjoy it but it's a PvE game.

Same thing here. There will be good PvE but I still say it's an AvA game.

Again I dont agree. I spent about a year just doing PvE before I even did RvR in DAoC. I had lots of friends who did the same thing. I knew some guilds where their focus was PvE. I even know some players who never did RvR in DAoC. They lived in open world dungeons. My friends and I spent about 3/4 of our time in PvE. Looking back at crafting, open world dungeons and quest. alts. I bet a lot would say the same. Not to mention often the point of RvR was to controle Darkness falls, no more people would be left in RvR then needed to defend what we had, rotating people in and out of the RvR area so everyone had their turn in DF. What they are giving in ESO for PvE, I have a feeling it will be the same or even more so. There is a lot of TES fans whos focus will be PvE IMO and there is lots there for them by the current design.

I get the feeling you didn't play DAoC at the beginning. How long after release did you start playing it? I can't remember exact dates for Darkness Falls release but I think it was a full year before it was even in the game. The expansions changed DAoC a lot and many of us left precisely because of them...because Mythic started WOWsizing the game.

They eventually acknowledged they had messed it all up and proposed starting a DAoC Origins server which they never got around to doing.

It's not even worth arguing about what DAoC was about. It was clearly about RvR - that was its main feature. Game sites describe it that way... even Wikipedia does. I have no idea why anyone would want to say it wasn't.

Was it possible to play without RvR? Anything is possible but that was not how the game was designed. I was in the Guinevere server and in the years I played it I never met a single person who didn't RvR...shrug.

  ShakyMo

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5/06/13 10:20:02 AM#111
Daoc was a rare game that looked after pve and pvp equally. If it didn't have good pve, it wouldn't have enjoyed the large influx of
EQ players that it had.

Only other one I can think of with same 50/50 approach is gw2. Although I'm not a fan of gw2, feels to juvenile for my tastes.

It was the last 2 expansions toa and catacombs that stared adding wow like gear grind. DF predated them by a few years.
  Nanfoodle

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5/06/13 10:36:45 AM#112
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Rhonen
Originally posted by TheHavok

Why rule out a whole game that you could very well end up really liking just because one feature isn't to your liking on paper? Let's say pvp is restricted to one zone, but come launch day, people get to that zone and find out its really well made and, most importantly, extremely fun to play. Do you want to miss out on that just because you have already set limits on what features you need in order to enjoy a game?

My advice would be to just play the game and decide for yourself if its fun to you or not.

I would rather have a root-canal than take part in any sort of PvP event.

The fact that they have PvE content in a PvP area is like a slap in the face of the PvE'ers that do not wish to take part in any sort of PvP.

I'll be picking up ESO but I seriously doubt I'll play it long.  I may go through some of the content but I'll uninstall it shortly thereafter.

Have you considered that just maybe, the PvE in Cyrodiil is there for PvPers who want some PvE mixed in, not for people who hate PvP? You'd have to be blind to think that every feature in every MMO is aimed at the "no-PvP-ever" crowd.

As to what you will do with the game... makes sense. Despite marketting gobledygook to make everyone who plays MMOs in any concievable way feel welcome, the main feature of this game is RvR in Cyrodiil. If you're not into that, the game is obviously not targetted at you.

Not sure I agree. There is some awesome work going on to make AvA awesome but there is a lot of talk of what they will have for PvE as well. Im just as excited about the PvE game as I am about the AvA.

DAoC also had good PvE and I enjoyed it a lot but it was an RvR game. Saying it wasn't would be like saying WOW is a PvP game--you can PvP in it and many enjoy it but it's a PvE game.

Same thing here. There will be good PvE but I still say it's an AvA game.

Again I dont agree. I spent about a year just doing PvE before I even did RvR in DAoC. I had lots of friends who did the same thing. I knew some guilds where their focus was PvE. I even know some players who never did RvR in DAoC. They lived in open world dungeons. My friends and I spent about 3/4 of our time in PvE. Looking back at crafting, open world dungeons and quest. alts. I bet a lot would say the same. Not to mention often the point of RvR was to controle Darkness falls, no more people would be left in RvR then needed to defend what we had, rotating people in and out of the RvR area so everyone had their turn in DF. What they are giving in ESO for PvE, I have a feeling it will be the same or even more so. There is a lot of TES fans whos focus will be PvE IMO and there is lots there for them by the current design.

I get the feeling you didn't play DAoC at the beginning. How long after release did you start playing it? I can't remember exact dates for Darkness Falls release but I think it was a full year before it was even in the game. The expansions changed DAoC a lot and many of us left precisely because of them...because Mythic started WOWsizing the game.

They eventually acknowledged they had messed it all up and proposed starting a DAoC Origins server which they never got around to doing.

It's not even worth arguing about what DAoC was about. It was clearly about RvR - that was its main feature. Game sites describe it that way... even Wikipedia does. I have no idea why anyone would want to say it wasn't.

Was it possible to play without RvR? Anything is possible but that was not how the game was designed. I was in the Guinevere server and in the years I played it I never met a single person who didn't RvR...shrug.

I was there from day 1. first year or so I played all 3 realms, leveled a few chars in each realm and made friends. I had no intrest in RvR till a bunch of my RL friends joined a RvR guild and we all started RvRing hardcore. RvR was by far its crowning gem but point I dont agree with you on is thats the only way to play DAoC or ESO. There is lots to do in both games outside the RvR/AvA map. My wife is a pure PvEer and has no plans to play PvP in ESO. But she cant wait for phased events and like Rift would spend hours going from public quest to public quest. When not doing that she is a crafter at heart. ESO sounds like a crafters dream if they do 1/2 what the plan. When we play together and not doing that kinda of content she will want to be exploring the other 2 maps that are 50+ and 50++. I know you think its a bad idea for content but she is really really excited about that. There is lots to do in ESO outside AvA much like DAoC.

  Sovrath

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5/06/13 10:43:38 AM#113
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by tkreep
 

elder scrolls was never about being either good or evil, as the other poster said its mainly in shades of grey which makes it realistic because in reality there are no one who is perfectly good and completely evil, sometimes people make a good choice and sometimes people make a selfish choice.  Saying elder scrolls makes narnia look like a horror show is the dumbest thing i heard...elder scrolls universe is so much darker filled with mature content for the players.

no no no

You can act how you want in the elder scrolls games. I've made characters who were evil as one can be and characters that were as good as one could be.

 

Does that mean in one playthrough you never joined the dark brother hood and thieves guild?

In Oblvion I played the thieves guild quest as it was a bit "robin hoodish" and it fit one of my characters. I had to make an entirely differnet character for the Dark Brotherhood.

In Skyrim I've yet to go through either the thieves' guild or dark brotherhood quests as I have just made a sutiable character to try those.

but on my main character I never go through the dark brotherhood or thieve's guild quests.

  ElRenmazuo

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5/06/13 11:54:25 AM#114
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by tkreep
 

elder scrolls was never about being either good or evil, as the other poster said its mainly in shades of grey which makes it realistic because in reality there are no one who is perfectly good and completely evil, sometimes people make a good choice and sometimes people make a selfish choice.  Saying elder scrolls makes narnia look like a horror show is the dumbest thing i heard...elder scrolls universe is so much darker filled with mature content for the players.

no no no

You can act how you want in the elder scrolls games. I've made characters who were evil as one can be and characters that were as good as one could be.

 

Does that mean in one playthrough you never joined the dark brother hood and thieves guild?

In Oblvion I played the thieves guild quest as it was a bit "robin hoodish" and it fit one of my characters. I had to make an entirely differnet character for the Dark Brotherhood.

In Skyrim I've yet to go through either the thieves' guild or dark brotherhood quests as I have just made a sutiable character to try those.

but on my main character I never go through the dark brotherhood or thieve's guild quests.

thats too bad cuz the nightingale armor is pretty badass

  easy-r

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5/06/13 11:57:19 AM#115

it's probably going to be for baddies/carebears, unfortunately

 

  Rollermint

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5/07/13 12:03:18 AM#116
Originally posted by ShakyMo

Modern gamers don't want that, they come from a me generation they don't get the concept of everyone on the same side working towards the same goals, with pveers, pvpers and crafters all being cross reliant on each other.

Couldn't be said better.

This is what TESO is going to be. Its supposed to be an Alliance game, a TEAM game yet it still comes with a healthy dose of PVE for those wishing to have that TES experience that we all crave.

PVE will contain :

1) Tons of the traditional quest and other "emergent" quest (ala Dynamic events + Rift type events)

2) Molag Baal storyline which is 100% SOLO.

3) On top of that, at 50 you will be able to access 2 other realm campaigns for MOAR PVE.

Not enough?

Its a given that more quests/dungeons/whatever will be added in after launch, as they've shown with DAOC which have tons of content for PVE even though it is a RVR game. Post launch also, they are going to introduce "Adventure" zones to further offer more PVE content. Go do some research yourself, the content that they are preparing sounds very substantial.

But God forbid that a MULTIPLAYER game gives you the option to co-operate with other players for specific objectives.

Perhaps they should stick to single player TES games and its multitude of brilliant quest mods or wait for TES 6.

 

  bubaluba

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5/07/13 12:10:21 AM#117
Well, nobody will ever make epic battles for cities like you have in wow. And people still wonder why is wow so popular lol. They try to copy everything but never the best things. I think TESO will be a good game but they should remove pvp restriction. Like you said it could feel like GW2 or even worst like LOTRO pvp
  Punk999

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5/07/13 12:11:16 AM#118
Still better than being restricted to arena/battlegrounds.

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  Neherun

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5/07/13 8:28:05 AM#119
Originally posted by superconducting

Open world PVP sounds good on paper but in practice is a bad idea. There are a whole host of problems associated with it:

- PVP would be way too scattered and less focused. Small groups or individual players would be haphazardly fighting rather than having larger-scale battles between armies.

- People would not easily know where to go to join up with their groups.

- PVE content (which is most of the game) would not be safe to do. You could never feel safe questing.

- It would be a lore-breaker (at least initially before 50+) if factions are not restricted to the races the comprise them.

 

I remember when runescape decided to open up the whole world to PVP, instead of just limiting it to the wilderness. The amount of backlash they received was mind-numbing. PvP was ruined so much that they eventually they restored the wilderness to the way it was before.

All points but the 3rd one are incorrect. Third one however, can only be a problem to those who cannot grasp the concept of virtual pixel death and over react to it.

 

  Neherun

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5/07/13 8:32:25 AM#120
Originally posted by Total_Hunt

Anyone considered that the average TES player won't enjoy being ganked and teabagged all the time by you 'l33t' MMO PvPers while they're trying to explore.

 

This isn't Darkfall

 

And did you consider that the average TES player may not be neither a carebear who questions the basic legitemacy of PvP and does not enjoy challenges such as being ambushed by another player at a dire situtation?

 

This isn't Hello Kitty Online.

 

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