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  Isawa

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5/06/13 10:23:08 PM#41
Originally posted by spookydom
It's happening again?..........IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN!!!!!  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crazy thing is that an 04 account started this, not a 2013

  InsaneDalek

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EXTERMINATE!

5/06/13 10:24:38 PM#42
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by asmkm22
WoW is an EQ improvement, not clone.

Haha, improvement? By taking out all the good parts and leaving in the garbage, like limited class system, tiered raiding, and a game based entirely on level grinding? Making classes so limited and boring without any kind of proper out of combat functionality? Removing all the social aspects of the game?

Wait, you're saying WoW is a grind... compared to EVERQUEST?

EQ was a bigger damn grinder than all the asian MMOs released in the last 10 years combined! On top of that, you had to group in order to do it! I'm sorry but eliminating the need to group up so you could grind mobs for days at a time, or camp a spot for weeks at a time just to advance your character, isn't 'removing social features'.

Next thing you know people will be claiming it was 'fun' to de-level because you died due to your internet crapping out in the middle of a fight. *shakes head*

It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.

  Aelious

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World > Quest Progression

5/06/13 10:28:33 PM#43
WoW is a fun game but popularity doesn't equal better, it just means more people like it. I use the same idea with McDonald's. It's horrible for you but widely popular and good to a lot of people. Does that make it better than a burger at a restraunt?

I personally don't think WoW is an EQ clone because if it had been we would have a better slew of titles now. I don't think that's because WoW is bad but because it's popularity caused other companies to copy one model instead of doing something original.

It's taken a while but it's balancing out. Took to few years more though :)
  Xiaoki

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5/06/13 10:49:03 PM#44


Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by slickbizzle

Originally posted by doodphace

Originally posted by Manolios indeed wow took many things from EQ (not only) and implement them even BETTER than in original games. on the other side, wow clones are taking things from wow but implement them much worse than wow is for itself. even after 10 years they cant implement wow features in newest games in a better way  
^This. For example, WoW invented the dungon finder. Love it or hate it, no game (except Rift after a few itterations) has been able to implement it properly.
  I am 99.9% sure that Blizzard stole the dungeon finder.  Can't remember the game at the moment.
You would be correct. WoW has never once invented any MMO feature.


Ok, then, what MMO had a dungeon finder before WoW?


Since you so confidently declare that slickbizzle is correct in stating that WoW did not invent the dungeon finder you should have no problem proving it.

  Axehilt

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5/07/13 12:35:36 AM#45
Originally posted by DavisFlight

You would be correct. WoW has never once invented any MMO feature.

Goes to show how much quality matters (compared to innovation.)

Although honestly I don't really know which game did WOW's specific style of Dungeon Finder or Phasing or LFR or Auction House first.

Not saying those games didn't exist but with AH for example you have things like Ragnarok's player shops and EVE's stations, but I don't know of a global AH done in WOW's style pre-WOW.

Same deal with the Dungeon Finder: you can certainly point to games with matchmaking prior to WOW (Blizzard's own War3 was the state of the art matchmaking implementation for a while,) but applied to group-finding in an MMORPG?  I never played one.

If we struggle to portray Blizzard in the least innovative light, then sure we can quickly gloss over implementation details.  The Wright Brothers were a bunch of uncreative garbage who simply rode the coattails of whoever first invented motorized travel vehicles...right?

 

  redcapp

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5/07/13 12:45:33 AM#46
EQ *clone* may be a bit hyperbolic, but WoW definitely followed along the trajectory that EQ established.  I wonder what the MMO world would look like if they tried to expand on what UO or AC started, instead...
  bubaluba

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5/07/13 12:49:01 AM#47
Well, almost everything is so much better in WOW. EQ is one old game and even with old graphic he has optimization problem. Lag, strange combat, bad sound, bad lore. Do not compare this 2 games at all, WOW is Mercedes and EQ something like Yugo
  DavisFlight

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5/07/13 8:48:39 AM#48
Originally posted by InsaneDalek
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by asmkm22
WoW is an EQ improvement, not clone.

Haha, improvement? By taking out all the good parts and leaving in the garbage, like limited class system, tiered raiding, and a game based entirely on level grinding? Making classes so limited and boring without any kind of proper out of combat functionality? Removing all the social aspects of the game?

Wait, you're saying WoW is a grind... compared to EVERQUEST?

That's not what I said at all, good lord, redeading comprehension is your friend.

I said they left in the bad parts of EQ, aka, making the entire game about level grinding. I didn't say WoW was more of  grind, I said it had level grinding, with the level cap going up with each useless expansion.

 

But if I had to pick, I'd pick the EQ level grind any day over the mindless idiotic WoW quest grinding.

At least EQ had an honest grind, that encouraged you to interact with and work with other players. WoW tries to pretty up its treadmill with shallow boring repeating quests where you just follow a blinking line on the ground and ignore all the other players. It's insulting. They make you jump through hoops before they screw you. At least EQ just screwed you.

  DavisFlight

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5/07/13 8:50:12 AM#49
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by DavisFlight

You would be correct. WoW has never once invented any MMO feature.

Goes to show how much marking and brand name recognition matters (compared to innovation.)

 

Fixed that for you, the primary reason for WoW's success.

  ShakyMo

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5/07/13 8:56:40 AM#50
Wow is a lobby game. You level up and then sit in cities queueing to go instances.

Vanilla EQ didn't have instances at all.

So they're not the same.

when I think wow clone I think game where you have a leveling bit and then you sit in city / fleet whatever while you queue to go a
  ShakyMo

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5/07/13 8:58:02 AM#51
queue To go a raid, dungeon or less pretend its a fps match.

Which isn't EQ at all.

Closest game to EQ Is probably daoc, not wow.
  Torik

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5/07/13 9:41:04 AM#52
Originally posted by Aelious
WoW is a fun game but popularity doesn't equal better, it just means more people like it. I use the same idea with McDonald's. It's horrible for you but widely popular and good to a lot of people. Does that make it better than a burger at a restraunt?

 

If the 'restaurant' is a low-end dive where the cook never washes his hands and you have mouse dropping everywhere, then McDonald's is miles better.  This analogy always amuses me since it automatically assumes that the other games are superior quality than WoW.  They fail to take into account that to many, many people the 'old school' games feel like Food Poisoning Diner.

  sanshi44

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5/07/13 10:14:16 AM#53
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by kullninja
ok I am getting sick with all of this wow clones bull crap wow is a everquest clone!!. It started with everquest not wow so please stop referring every game that comes out is a wow clone not true it is everquest.

And yet it's VERY clear that SWTOR and other clones are following WoW, not EQ.

 

WoW may have cloned some of the base mechanics of EQ, but it did not even remotely follow the feel or execution.

EQ is a deep, harsh, social virtual world. WoW is an arcade game. SWTOR is an arcade game, not a virtual world.

 

WoW took the worst parts of EQ, made them simpler, and left out the only parts that made EQ worth playing. By their powers combined, WoW, a garbage game that added NOTHING new to the genre.

part in red +1

  sanshi44

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5/07/13 10:20:30 AM#54
Originally posted by InsaneDalek
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by asmkm22
WoW is an EQ improvement, not clone.

Haha, improvement? By taking out all the good parts and leaving in the garbage, like limited class system, tiered raiding, and a game based entirely on level grinding? Making classes so limited and boring without any kind of proper out of combat functionality? Removing all the social aspects of the game?

Wait, you're saying WoW is a grind... compared to EVERQUEST?

EQ was a bigger damn grinder than all the asian MMOs released in the last 10 years combined! On top of that, you had to group in order to do it! I'm sorry but eliminating the need to group up so you could grind mobs for days at a time, or camp a spot for weeks at a time just to advance your character, isn't 'removing social features'.

Next thing you know people will be claiming it was 'fun' to de-level because you died due to your internet crapping out in the middle of a fight. *shakes head*

Funny thing is EQ may of taking longer to level up but it never once felt like a grind, however after the first 10 minutes of WoW it felt like a grind cause u were just repeating the same thing solo. Atleast in EQ it wasnt about lvling up more about the journey, the people you meet and places you see. i never felt the need to lvl up because it wasnt all about the end game. Now it just rush to the end cause all there is is combat and endgame.

  sanshi44

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5/07/13 10:24:17 AM#55
Originally posted by Xiaoki

 


Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by slickbizzle

Originally posted by doodphace

Originally posted by Manolios indeed wow took many things from EQ (not only) and implement them even BETTER than in original games. on the other side, wow clones are taking things from wow but implement them much worse than wow is for itself. even after 10 years they cant implement wow features in newest games in a better way  
^This. For example, WoW invented the dungon finder. Love it or hate it, no game (except Rift after a few itterations) has been able to implement it properly.
  I am 99.9% sure that Blizzard stole the dungeon finder.  Can't remember the game at the moment.
You would be correct. WoW has never once invented any MMO feature.

Ok, then, what MMO had a dungeon finder before WoW?

 


Since you so confidently declare that slickbizzle is correct in stating that WoW did not invent the dungeon finder you should have no problem proving it.

Im prity sure EQ1 got a group finder before WoW came out, im pritty sure i remember it in game before i went to try WoW out when it got released. Its wasnt realy used though seemed the community rather not use it.

  Nadia

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5/07/13 10:33:10 AM#56
Originally posted by sanshi44

Im prity sure EQ1 got a group finder before WoW came out, im pritty sure i remember it in game before i went to try WoW out when it got released. Its wasnt realy used though seemed the community rather not use it.

EQ1 enhanced their LFG tool w the LOY expansion in Jan 2003

http://otherworlds31279.yuku.com/topic/950/Enhanced-quotLooking-for-Groupquot-Tool#.UYkQP8q8H6A

  spades07

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5/07/13 11:14:44 AM#57

Everquest is the one most mmorpgs are based on. And Everquest itself was based on Muds.

Did WoW improve Everquest- well it's a much higher quality than Everquest is/was. But the games have different appeals despite their similarities.

  ShakyMo

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5/07/13 11:22:05 AM#58
Loads of games had lfg uis before wow

coh and eq2 for a start.
  strangiato2112

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5/07/13 11:23:07 AM#59

This thread is no different than the guy who goesw into a general chat channel and says 'WoW was the first MMO" or "That Metroid dude was awesome".  He knows what he is saying is blatantly incorrect, but for some unknown reason loves to see people flocking to correct him.

 

  strangiato2112

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5/07/13 11:26:22 AM#60
Originally posted by ShakyMo
queue To go a raid, dungeon or less pretend its a fps match.

Which isn't EQ at all.

Closest game to EQ Is probably daoc, not wow.

Closest game to EQ is (unsurprisingly) Vanguard, but even that is quite a bit off of EQ.

 

Thats one of the things that made the early games special, they were all unique.  There was no such thing as a themepark until EQ2 and WoW simultaneously started the sub genre.

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