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  Pixel_Jockey

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OP  5/06/13 3:09:22 PM#1
When looking through the forums I see allot of  people say "I hope X game fails". I am curious where the logic is in hoping a game fails. Just because a certain game is not for you, what do you benefit if it fails? I personally do not care for most of the MMOs out right now, but I know allot of people enjoy them. I don't see why hoping a game someone else enjoys fails can be a benefit. Don't get me wrong, I'm not persecuting those who make those statements, I am just curious as to why they are made? 
  InporylemQQ

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5/06/13 3:11:16 PM#2

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  Pixel_Jockey

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OP  5/06/13 3:11:55 PM#3

No Youtube at work =( 

I'll check when I get home.

  RefMinor

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5/06/13 3:12:44 PM#4
When it is another crappy generic WoW clone, it's failure will herald the moving of the market away from such dross. It's success means there is still money to be made and developers will not look towards innovation.
  Robokapp

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5/06/13 3:14:53 PM#5

we feel the death of games we don't enjoy might shift development more in the direction we prefer.

 

see: preset rise of sandboxes after many themeparks including swtor failed.

  Distopia

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5/06/13 3:16:21 PM#6
Originally posted by RefMinor
When it is another crappy generic WoW clone, it's failure will herald the moving of the market away from such dross. It's success means there is still money to be made and developers will not look towards innovation.

What does this even mean anymore? There has been one "WOW clone" to release in recent memory TOR, if you can even consider that a WOW clone considering the focus of the game (story and cutscenes).

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  Badaboom

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5/06/13 3:16:34 PM#7

I think it has to do with WoW.  Meaning that the success of WoW has stunted MMO development in that everyone is copying a lot of features and thus in essence create a WoW clone.

So when a game is released with features that goes against a persons MMO ideal mechanic then they get all defensive saying to themselves, "here we go again."

  Vesavius

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5/06/13 3:18:27 PM#8
Originally posted by Pixel_Jockey
When looking through the forums I see allot of  people say "I hope X game fails". I am curious where the logic is in hoping a game fails.

 

Do you actually read the posts properly that hope a game 'fails'? Usually the folks hoping for this state their reasons.

I would guess that you actually do but just choose to ignore their points because they might not agree with your own.

 

 

  Jonoku

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5/06/13 3:19:29 PM#9
Ex: Part of the reason why SWG got shut down was because of the release of SWTOR so people want revenge and want SWTOR to shut down. Same thing can be said of SWG's patch of the NGE was because of the release of WoW and the numbers of subscribers of WoW encouraged multiple MMOs to copy so people want revenge and want WoW to shut down. Its a lot about revenge and hate.

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  Pixel_Jockey

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OP  5/06/13 3:20:23 PM#10
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Pixel_Jockey
When looking through the forums I see allot of  people say "I hope X game fails". I am curious where the logic is in hoping a game fails.

 

Do you actually read the posts properly that hope a game 'fails'? Usually the folks hoping for this state their reasons.

I would guess that you actually do but just choose to ignore their points because they might not agree with your own.

 

 

Great assumption, you must make allot of money as a fortune teller. 

  Jonoku

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5/06/13 3:21:34 PM#11
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by RefMinor
When it is another crappy generic WoW clone, it's failure will herald the moving of the market away from such dross. It's success means there is still money to be made and developers will not look towards innovation.

What does this even mean anymore? There has been one "WOW clone" to release in recent memory TOR, if you can even consider that a WOW clone considering the focus of the game (story and cutscenes).

SWTOR is basically WoW plus story and cutscenes minus fairies.

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  waynejr2

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5/06/13 3:21:36 PM#12
Originally posted by Robokapp

we feel the death of games we don't enjoy might shift development more in the direction we prefer.

 

see: preset rise of sandboxes after many themeparks including swtor failed.

 Because that is the only lesson the investors would take from it.  Never could they think to put money into something else,...

  Robokapp

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5/06/13 3:22:52 PM#13
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by Robokapp

we feel the death of games we don't enjoy might shift development more in the direction we prefer.

 

see: preset rise of sandboxes after many themeparks including swtor failed.

 Because that is the only lesson the investors would take from it.  Never could they think to put money into something else,...

you are right.

 

yet...it's all we have. 

 

much like querilla warfare, it's a stretch but if there's a chance...remember that "developers" arent one unified group. most realistically, some will go one way, some the other way. And if only one happens to cough up the winning combination we win.

 

so we keep pulling the lever hoping for the 4 - lemons mmo. to do so the current combination must be left behind. hence why we want present mmo's to die.

  Lord.Bachus

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5/06/13 3:23:31 PM#14

People wishing for the failure of things that do not hurt anyone physically or emotionally are sick.

 

I wich the best to all of you may the best win, thats gallant and knightly.   Now compare that i hope you die so i will win attitude and it tells you more then enough about those people saying so.

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  Homitu

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5/06/13 3:25:40 PM#15

I see two main reasons.  

First, there are people who dislike the "direction the industry is heading."  As such, every game that contributes to the industry heading in this wrong direction is seen as a bane.  The best thing that can happen, in their mind, is for all such new games to fail, in hopes that developers will see the error of their ways and begin to make games that fall more in line with what these individuals desire.  The crux of the problem here is that this perspective is that of a niche gamer who clings to a false hope that his niche will one day (or once again, in the case of the UO/EQ/ZOMG MERIDIAN 59 crowd) become the industry's dominant subgenre.  

Second, there are people who strongly and publicly advocate for a particular game.  As a result, the ego draws a link between that game's success and the individual's success in judgment.   In turn, greater success of *competing* games may be interpreted as poor judgment on the part of the individual. This effect is enhanced if the person, in addition to publicly advocating one game, publicly denounces another.  If the individual's champion game fails compared to a competitor, the individual's ego takes a blow by proxy.  As such, such people tend to hope *other* games fail.  

  Distopia

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5/06/13 3:25:40 PM#16
Originally posted by Pixel_Jockey

 

Great assumption, you must make allot of money as a fortune teller. 

I'm not a grammar or spelling nazi by any means, I just wanna say a lot  (the usage you're using) is not one word.. :) /carry on..

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Robokapp

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5/06/13 3:26:31 PM#17
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

People wishing for the failure of things that do not hurt anyone physically or emotionally are sick.

 

I wich the best to all of you may the best win, thats gallant and knightly.   Now compare that i hope you die so i will win attitude and it tells you more then enough about those people saying so.

is the concept of 'from death comes rebirth' too difficult to understand ?

  Battlerock

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5/06/13 3:27:11 PM#18
Originally posted by Pixel_Jockey
When looking through the forums I see allot of  people say "I hope X game fails". I am curious where the logic is in hoping a game fails. Just because a certain game is not for you, what do you benefit if it fails? I personally do not care for most of the MMOs out right now, but I know allot of people enjoy them. I don't see why hoping a game someone else enjoys fails can be a benefit. Don't get me wrong, I'm not persecuting those who make those statements, I am just curious as to why they are made? 

 

10 uber rich guys love f2p games because they can buy thier way into awesomeness. So I think alot of I hope x game fails comes from that. Everybody has to get thier kicks from something. At the end of the day the uber rich dudes wife is still nailin the pool boy. Any f2p fans need thier pool cleaned ? muhhahahha :-)
  Pixel_Jockey

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OP  5/06/13 3:27:40 PM#19
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Pixel_Jockey

 

Great assumption, you must make allot of money as a fortune teller. 

I'm not a grammar or spelling nazi by any means, I just wanna say a lot  (the usage you're using) is not one word.. :) /carry on..

Thank you. I knew better, bad habit.

  Distopia

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5/06/13 3:28:11 PM#20
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

People wishing for the failure of things that do not hurt anyone physically or emotionally are sick.

 

I wich the best to all of you may the best win, thats gallant and knightly.   Now compare that i hope you die so i will win attitude and it tells you more then enough about those people saying so.

is the concept of 'from death comes rebirth' too difficult to understand ?

I don't think it's hard to understand, yet I do not think it's something that will really work in this case.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

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