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  Meriik

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OP  5/05/13 7:02:26 PM#1

  Ok first off Id like to say that I'm having quite a bit of fun playing this game.  The game is fantastic, combat is fluid and engaging, the soft trinity is great, questing is fun, easy to get groups for skirmishes and dungeons and has cooperative and rewarding gameplay, and the foundry is one of the most innovative implementations to the MMO genre in a long time.

  Now take everything they've done right with their well venerated IP and take a pay 2 win crap all over it and you've got Neverwinter. The cash shop  is full of items to give unfair advantages over other players, and a massive amount of pay for convenience items.  It's intrusive and annoying to be constantly be bombarded with reminders of how much better i could be by buying all their overpriced items.

  Ok i already know the counterargument, "well why dont you stop freeloading and support the developers".  Im not a cheap individual I just dont find paying for random crap all the time fun, and i believe all players should be on a some-what level playing field.  If this title was separated from the cash shop and the game systems reworked based on that I'd gladly shell out 60 bucks plus a 15 a month sub, no problem at all.

  Im not going to sit here and attack anyone if they like the free to play business model that's their perogative, but i am going to take a stand with my wallet and not support this endeavor.  I fear if this project succeeds, which at this point i think it will, then other mmo developers will be more inclined to make their games in Neverwinters image, thus destroying my beloved genre even further.  Anyway, just sharing my opinion, dont hate me too much!

 

  Yamota

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5/05/13 7:07:12 PM#2
Good for you OP. I also boycott all F2P games unless their cash shop is fluff only, like League of Legends. And that one isn't even an MMO.

  Aerowyn

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5/05/13 7:09:55 PM#3
Originally posted by Yamota
Good for you OP. I also boycott all F2P games unless their cash shop is fluff only, like League of Legends. And that one isn't even an MMO.

considering its a themepark i don't see why it really matters.. aren't you the one who said themeparks are just for a quick fix and you move on? don't see what the payment model would matter in that case.. actually f2p would make more sense to me since you will quit in a couple months(or less) anyway

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  eddieg50

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5/05/13 7:10:21 PM#4
with enthusiasm I hope this succeeds
  joe2721

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5/05/13 7:10:30 PM#5

you do release that they have to generate income some how and just a 60 box price would not work for a mmo. theres upkeep and  additional content.

 

But this debait is  in a million other threads.

  simsalabim77

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Joined: 4/27/13
Posts: 617

5/05/13 7:11:39 PM#6
So don't spend any money and continue to enjoy playing, or are you unable to continue enjoying the game because of the presence of a cash shop? 
  Maelwydd

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5/05/13 7:13:12 PM#7

I sort of hate the free to play model too because of the fact that it detracts from the gameplay simply because people CAN buy unfair advantages if they want. But to be honest I think I have the best of both worlds. I an not an envious person and I play games to chill out and for teh fun of adventure. So i really could care less about what other people spend their money on.

The way I look at it, I have never and will never pay for items from the store in a free to play game. I will quite happily pay a subscription to a game but if they are trying to get me to spend money in a shop for phat pixels then it just won't happen. So for me, I play free to play games for free, absolutely free, and will continue to do so. Let some other sucker pay all tehy want if it keeps the game running. It is their money and I feel like I am getting other people to pay for my fun which is fine by me.

But I do hope the model dies so we can get back to supporting subscriptions games because then you know if the game is worth it because you want to keep subscribing.

  Meriik

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Joined: 10/03/11
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OP  5/05/13 7:16:09 PM#8
Originally posted by simsalabim77
So don't spend any money and continue to enjoy playing, or are you unable to continue enjoying the game because of the presence of a cash shop? 

Im some ways yes, as i stated the cash shop is annoying and intrusive and it ruins my personal experience unfortunatly.  Just makes me a bit i guess, sad?, that such a good game is ruined in my eyes by a business model.

  StonesDK

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5/05/13 7:17:47 PM#9
I'll start worrying if Blizzard becomes just as aggressive since they seem to be the true trendsetters in the industry. I could give two sh!ts what Cryptic does with their games. I'm not their targeted audience anyway and I seriously doubt they have any pull
  User Deleted
5/05/13 7:18:42 PM#10

I'd also love to see this game, and any others like it, fail hard.  I want developers to focus on creating fun games with great settings and great communities again.  Charge $15 a month and don't spend so much on development that you have to have millions of subscribers to make the publisher happy.  It's ok for a game to *only* have 500k people playing it.

Unfortunately, as long as people keep buying into every new F2P game that comes out, publishers will keep pushing that pay model, and players will continue complaining about how crappy MMO's are today.

  Aerowyn

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5/05/13 7:21:32 PM#11
i like multiple payment models for the simple fact I could no way in hell afford 10 subs at once.. but i can easily afford one or two subs and a slew of B2P and F2P games.. so variety is good for people who like to play lots of different MMOs

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  delete5230

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5/05/13 7:21:35 PM#12
The game looks great, I seen a few reviews and gameplay today on Youtube.....But I'll naver give F2P games a dime !
  simsalabim77

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5/05/13 7:22:47 PM#13
Originally posted by Meriik
Originally posted by simsalabim77
So don't spend any money and continue to enjoy playing, or are you unable to continue enjoying the game because of the presence of a cash shop? 

Im some ways yes, as i stated the cash shop is annoying and intrusive and it ruins my personal experience unfortunatly.  Just makes me a bit i guess, sad?, that such a good game is ruined in my eyes by a business model.

 

How is it intrustive? I havent been prompted to buy anything once. I don't even know what the icon to open it looks like. Shrugs, it's your perogative if you let something like this ruin a fun experience, but I think it's pretty silly. It's not like you're trying to be ultra-competitive at the game.

  spikers14

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5/05/13 7:24:21 PM#14

Hell, this is the first F2P that has me thinking about spending a couple bucks. I might pickup a bag or companion from the CS.

Being an old school PnP player I had low expectations coming in. However, I now think this product is worthy of support, especially if finer development continues. 

  Panzerbase

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Joined: 3/20/13
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5/05/13 7:27:44 PM#15
Games great, these forums are just depressing, I think I'll have some fun tonight. 
  Talonsin

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5/05/13 7:28:53 PM#16

The best thing you can do if you hate the financial model is play for free.  I will play for free with my kids and none of us will give Craptic a dime.  When we see people who have purchased stuff we will laugh at them and make fun of them in groups. 

In all honesty, the game wont fail in the sense you are thinking...  CO and STO have very small populations compared to other MMO's and PW keeps them running.  If you want to hit them where it hurts, just keep playing for free and using up their server resources. 

  Meriik

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OP  5/05/13 7:31:32 PM#17
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Meriik
Originally posted by simsalabim77
So don't spend any money and continue to enjoy playing, or are you unable to continue enjoying the game because of the presence of a cash shop? 

Im some ways yes, as i stated the cash shop is annoying and intrusive and it ruins my personal experience unfortunatly.  Just makes me a bit i guess, sad?, that such a good game is ruined in my eyes by a business model.

 

How is it intrustive? I havent been prompted to buy anything once. I don't even know what the icon to open it looks like. Shrugs, it's your perogative if you let something like this ruin a fun experience, but I think it's pretty silly. It's not like you're trying to be ultra-competitive at the game.

It's true they dont throw anything in your face like that, but there are reminders of what you can be getting with astral diamonds which are directly coorelated to zen and not in game currency. For instance crafting, for those who dont know, is time based with the option to speed up with diamonds to level it faster, playing at a resonable rate you'll outlevel any gear you can make with crafting based on the restriction of crafting time, that type of mechanic has no place in MMORPG's.  Also, simply socketing gear costs diamonds as well.  You can buy faster mounts with zen, also upgraded companions and such.

Id much rather pay a sub than be nickel and dimed.

  simsalabim77

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Posts: 617

5/05/13 7:34:53 PM#18
Originally posted by Meriik
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Meriik
Originally posted by simsalabim77
So don't spend any money and continue to enjoy playing, or are you unable to continue enjoying the game because of the presence of a cash shop? 

Im some ways yes, as i stated the cash shop is annoying and intrusive and it ruins my personal experience unfortunatly.  Just makes me a bit i guess, sad?, that such a good game is ruined in my eyes by a business model.

 

How is it intrustive? I havent been prompted to buy anything once. I don't even know what the icon to open it looks like. Shrugs, it's your perogative if you let something like this ruin a fun experience, but I think it's pretty silly. It's not like you're trying to be ultra-competitive at the game.

Id much rather pay a sub than be nickel and dimed.

 

Then why did you bother playing an F2P game in the first place?

  furbans

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5/05/13 7:35:33 PM#19

I hope it fails because I really think they shat all over DnD.  They really just bastardized the IP n MMOified it.  But then again if it fails I highly doubt another DnD MMO will come round which I really want in hopes that one will come that will be pretty much a reboot of NWN2 with capabilities of a true D&D experience.

I will enthusiastically wait to see how Neverwinter evolves.  If they can enable Persistent Worlds like in NWN 1&2 and furthur allow custimization of Foundry missions then I can see some real potential.  Right now I'm feeling its too limited and needs to massive expanding on some elements. 

  reeereee

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5/05/13 7:35:48 PM#20
While I'm not a fan of this game, there are too many D&D fans around and too many people hyped for the foundry for this game fail too hard.  It has more going for it than a lot of f2p cash cows like PWI.  I don't expect to see them closing up shop anytime in the next 5 years... I mean... even ragnarok online is still alive.
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