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  delete5230

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OP  5/05/13 4:20:44 AM#1

I can't look deep into this game until :

1)We have a release date - Why study an mmo if it's far far away...As good as Wildstar looks, why hype up ?

2) Payment method - This is a new problem for me, as of the last few years...If its F2P or heavy cash shop the game will be instant toilet bound.  Yet, as of late, this is the very last announcement developers release.

Here is my reasoning with F2P that EVERYONE OVERLOOKS, I'm talking everyone !...What good is an mmo if others around you are gimped.  Who has what, who is paying for weapons, armor, bag space, dungeon packages, healing pots and zones.  Who is playing totally free ?  How do you tell ?  How can you count on friends and Guilds, or groups that you make for Multiplayer content.

F2P is everything opposite of an mmo......Whats your view ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Livnthedream

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5/05/13 4:35:05 AM#2
Originally posted by delete5230

I can't look deep into this game until :

1)We have a release date - Why study an mmo if it's far far away...As good as Wildstar looks, why hype up ?

2) Payment method - This is a new problem for me, as of the last few years...If its F2P or heavy cash shop the game will be instant toilet bound.  Yet, as of late, this is the very last announcement developers release.

Here is my reasoning with F2P that EVERYONE OVERLOOKS, I'm talking everyone !...What good is an mmo if others around you are gimped.  Who has what, who is paying for weapons, armor, bag space, dungeon packages, healing pots and zones.  Who is playing totally free ?  How do you tell ?  How can you count on friends and Guilds, or groups that you make for Multiplayer content.

F2P is everything opposite of an mmo......Whats your view ?

My view is that everything is red is absurd simply because not all f2p/b2p/p2p systems are created anywhere close to equal. The payment model does not matter to me aslong as I find it reasonable for the content provided. As for release date, they have said "this year" with a caveat of when its ready. Based on the current beta status expect a fall release like Eso.

http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/

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  doorb7

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5/05/13 4:37:17 AM#3

The game is in closed beta, and is wideley expected to be released late this year, with a chance of early next. Most games start to heavily hype with about 6months to go so we may get an indication soon as to whether this game will be out before the end of the year. Other than that the vast majority of hands on sessions have been extremely positive. The game to bypassers may look like a casuals game but in fact is aiming to have content for the very hardcore player too, i think this will give the game wide appeal, and longevity.

I think most people expect this game to be sub based to start and carry on that way if it does well. 2nd option i believe will be a buy to play like the secret world now and gw2. f2p off the bat is in most likely hood a very unlikely option for this game at this point.

 

  Ayurox

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5/05/13 4:52:30 AM#4

THEY HAVE ALREADY STATED THE GAME WONT BE F2P WHY PEOPLE KEEP MENTIONING IT IS A MYSTERIE !!!

THEY STATED THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY THE GAME WITH A MONTHLY FEE !!!

  Pie_Rat

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5/05/13 4:53:09 AM#5
Originally posted by delete5230

I can't look deep into this game until :

1)We have a release date - Why study an mmo if it's far far away...As good as Wildstar looks, why hype up ?

2) Payment method - This is a new problem for me, as of the last few years...If its F2P or heavy cash shop the game will be instant toilet bound.  Yet, as of late, this is the very last announcement developers release.

Here is my reasoning with F2P that EVERYONE OVERLOOKS, I'm talking everyone !...What good is an mmo if others around you are gimped.  Who has what, who is paying for weapons, armor, bag space, dungeon packages, healing pots and zones.  Who is playing totally free ?  How do you tell ?  How can you count on friends and Guilds, or groups that you make for Multiplayer content.

F2P is everything opposite of an mmo......Whats your view ?

I have yet to play a F2P MMORPG that I enjoy. I've tried many but found them all terrible and infested with horrible communities.

F2P works for little games like LoL or The Sims but not MMORPGs.

Also by principle I'm totally opposed to the concept of a cash shop (or any out of game shop for that matter). Everything in the game should be obtainable from within the game.

 

Currently playing: SWTOR.

  Livnthedream

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I like this planet, YOU get off!

5/05/13 4:56:28 AM#6
Originally posted by Ayurox

THEY HAVE ALREADY STATED THE GAME WONT BE F2P WHY PEOPLE KEEP MENTIONING IT IS A MYSTERIE !!!

THEY STATED THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY THE GAME WITH A MONTHLY FEE !!!

Source? That would be the first I have heard of it.

http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/

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  Ayurox

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5/05/13 5:00:12 AM#7
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Ayurox

THEY HAVE ALREADY STATED THE GAME WONT BE F2P WHY PEOPLE KEEP MENTIONING IT IS A MYSTERIE !!!

THEY STATED THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY THE GAME WITH A MONTHLY FEE !!!

Source? That would be the first I have heard of it.

If you cant find it by google, get off your lazy ass make a trip to a game convention and TADAaaaa :-) ask them personnaly 

  Livnthedream

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I like this planet, YOU get off!

5/05/13 5:13:45 AM#8
Originally posted by Ayurox
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Ayurox

THEY HAVE ALREADY STATED THE GAME WONT BE F2P WHY PEOPLE KEEP MENTIONING IT IS A MYSTERIE !!!

THEY STATED THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY THE GAME WITH A MONTHLY FEE !!!

Source? That would be the first I have heard of it.

If you cant find it by google, get off your lazy ass make a trip to a game convention and TADAaaaa :-) ask them personnaly 

If its so easy post a link. Nothing came up with a quick google search other than http://www.free-mmo.com/online-games/wildstar.htm 

The rest being older or merely speculation.

http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/

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  Vembumees

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5/05/13 5:17:18 AM#9

They havent confirmed that it will be sub-based, but it has been confirmed that it will not be f2p.

 

It's quite likely that it will be sub with microtransactions and those microtransactions include tradable gametime or a similar system, just a speculation tho, but pretty much based on what they have said in converences.

 

  PieRad

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5/05/13 5:18:21 AM#10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeUbXJZPkd0

 

 

At 24:40

Dev say they don't know the payment model yet.. So don't listen to gamers saying they know.

  delete5230

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OP  5/05/13 5:22:54 AM#11
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by delete5230

I can't look deep into this game until :

1)We have a release date - Why study an mmo if it's far far away...As good as Wildstar looks, why hype up ?

2) Payment method - This is a new problem for me, as of the last few years...If its F2P or heavy cash shop the game will be instant toilet bound.  Yet, as of late, this is the very last announcement developers release.

Here is my reasoning with F2P that EVERYONE OVERLOOKS, I'm talking everyone !...What good is an mmo if others around you are gimped.  Who has what, who is paying for weapons, armor, bag space, dungeon packages, healing pots and zones.  Who is playing totally free ?  How do you tell ?  How can you count on friends and Guilds, or groups that you make for Multiplayer content.

F2P is everything opposite of an mmo......Whats your view ?

My view is that everything is red is absurd simply because not all f2p/b2p/p2p systems are created anywhere close to equal. The payment model does not matter to me aslong as I find it reasonable for the content provided. As for release date, they have said "this year" with a caveat of when its ready. Based on the current beta status expect a fall release like Eso.

I used the words:

F2P and that = others around you Will be gimped.

HEAVY CASH SHOP = others around you Will be gimped.

 

" Absurd " is the wrong word.  Everyone has an opinion thats why I asked whats your view ?.....Hay, maybe your that solo player playing mmos. For the life of me, I can't figure that type of player out.  I have a RL friend that compleatly plays GW2 alone. He will not play with any of us at work or others in game !......

I'm the type that uses an mmo for playing mmo style....And thats hard when others are gimped all around you...Again, who has what ?

  Livnthedream

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5/05/13 6:08:24 AM#12
Originally posted by delete5230

I used the words:

F2P and that = others around you Will be gimped.

HEAVY CASH SHOP = others around you Will be gimped.

 

" Absurd " is the wrong word.  Everyone has an opinion thats why I asked whats your view ?.....Hay, maybe your that solo player playing mmos. For the life of me, I can't figure that type of player out.  I have a RL friend that compleatly plays GW2 alone. He will not play with any of us at work or others in game !......

I'm the type that uses an mmo for playing mmo style....And thats hard when others are gimped all around you...Again, who has what ?

Here is the definition http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/absurd

I used the correct word. F2p does not equal gimped if you do not pay, atleast not in all of them which is my point. And no, I am not a solo player in the least. The most basic perusal of my post history should show that clearly enough. Christ man if your going to levy an accusation at someone you should have something more to go on than whatever bug you have up your ass.

http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/

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  delete5230

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OP  5/05/13 9:40:14 AM#13

Two types of players in a Heavy F2P mmo.

Gimped and non-gimped.


Gimped players-Try and play the best they can for free or little money.  Some get discouraged and leave shortly in. Some make it a mini game in its self, researching sites to find every walkaround they can, then grind grind and grind. They have no choice but to often solo, with the occasional group of like minded gimped players. They usually have no money being a struggling collage student, or that 10 year old without dads credit card. Hay, nothing wrong with that.


Non-gimped players often spend a lot of cash in the shops. If they only spend a little they are gimped (see above) They have to play along side the gimped players and never really know who is gimped because developers don't put a large yellow tag above their head saying how deeply gimped they are.
This could be discouraging to the non-gimped player because they never really know just how populated the game really is because the gimped players more often than not out number the non-gimped.

Guilds and Grouping could be hard to determine, do you let that player in or is he gimped ? Can he even go to that dungeon ? Does he have more than an 8 slot bag?....Hard to say with out that yellow tag I talked about.....

Well, I guess it's no big deal if you are a solo player spending little in the cash shop. But its an mmo, why are they even play?...Because mmos are the best sorce of playing any game for free !


Me? Well, i'm an mmo player, I don't play gimped, or non-gimped. I don't play heavy f2P mmos.

  Akaishen

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5/05/13 2:16:48 PM#14
Originally posted by delete5230

I can't look deep into this game until :

1) We have a release date - Why study an mmo if it's far far away...As good as Wildstar looks, why hype up ?

2) Payment method - This is a new problem for me, as of the last few years...If its F2P or heavy cash shop the game will be instant toilet bound.  Yet, as of late, this is the very last announcement developers release.

The official release date is by the end of the year (or when it's ready). Per the many developer videos that have gone out, they've informed us that everything is going well and in some cases faster than their estimates. They will, however, spend however much time as they need to add polish before releasing the game. I'll be attending PAX Prime in about 4 months and hope to get into a beta so that I can help the developers add polish (and to play, of course).

The payment method will be released in June (give or take a few weeks). The developers stated they'd announce it in two months (I can't find the exact time in the video, though I'll include the two videos below), a month ago. They hinted that it's going to be a hybrid of sorts, though to what extent that means, we don't know. I'm guessing the game will be buy-to-play with a cosmetics/convenience shop (especially given the huge housing system, I can see a cosmetics shop playing a big part there). I don't believe the game will be free-to-play. Of course, there's always an option of free-to-play (with level cap), subscription, and item mall. I'm perfectly fine with paying a subscription, as I feel the game is fantastic, though personally, I'm hoping for a buy-to-play with balanced item mall.

The developers hinted at game models that made sense. They will not start with a subscription and go free-to-play. If free-to-play ever exists for the game, it'll most likely exist at the very start. Free-to-play isn't bad depending on how it's done (and there's so many ways to do it). DotA 2 is not an MMO, though it's a fantastic free-to-play game that I have spent many hours with. I've never spent a penny for the game as I don't care about the cosmetics of my characters (and I have tons of items just for playing so long anyway). Of course, DotA 2 is an eSport that has never-ending gameplay.

Building hype for the game is great. Not only is it fun to read up on all the news, watch the videos, and discuss speculations, building hype can help the game once it launches. Word of mouth and excitement are two great things that will help sales. I have my set of games I play now, though it's always fun to see what's coming around the corner. WildStar is a beautiful game with good game-play mechanics and great humor. I'm highly looking forward to it and I know many others are too (which is why the hype level has it ranked as #4 on this website).

Videos to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp3ciFaumL0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9Ogn7AazM

  delete5230

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OP  5/05/13 4:55:07 PM#15
Hay thanks for the nice read :)
  User Deleted
5/05/13 4:59:11 PM#16
Originally posted by Ayurox
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Ayurox

THEY HAVE ALREADY STATED THE GAME WONT BE F2P WHY PEOPLE KEEP MENTIONING IT IS A MYSTERIE !!!

THEY STATED THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY THE GAME WITH A MONTHLY FEE !!!

Source? That would be the first I have heard of it.

If you cant find it by google, get off your lazy ass make a trip to a game convention and TADAaaaa :-) ask them personnaly 

Carbine, as recently as PAX East 2013, have said that they are not talking about payment model yet. They have yet to announce it and anybody who claims to 'know' is dead wrong.

  ShakyMo

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5/05/13 5:06:08 PM#17
It's yet another wow with a couple of twists game.

Will be f2p soon enough.
  lolunatic

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5/05/13 5:36:10 PM#18
Originally posted by ShakyMo
It's yet another wow with a couple of twists game.

Will be f2p soon enough.

It's more like a EVOLUTION of WoW. Not really a clone with a single twist added like story(swtor) or action combat(tera). dynamic events(gw2). Even though it has those elements anyway. It's pretty much what any themeparker could ever want.

  lolunatic

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5/05/13 5:41:48 PM#19
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Will be f2p soon enough.

Well, if they are really focusing on the end game like they said they are (half their dev team now working on end game content),  it will probably have less a chance of being f2p like the other mmos if they even launch as a sub.

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5/05/13 5:50:26 PM#20
Originally posted by Roxtarr
Originally posted by Ayurox
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Ayurox

THEY HAVE ALREADY STATED THE GAME WONT BE F2P WHY PEOPLE KEEP MENTIONING IT IS A MYSTERIE !!!

THEY STATED THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY THE GAME WITH A MONTHLY FEE !!!

Source? That would be the first I have heard of it.

If you cant find it by google, get off your lazy ass make a trip to a game convention and TADAaaaa :-) ask them personnaly 

Carbine, as recently as PAX East 2013, have said that they are not talking about payment model yet. They have yet to announce it and anybody who claims to 'know' is dead wrong.

This +1, unless this guy who hints that he asked them personally has an audio/video recording of it haha.

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