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  Vembumees

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5/05/13 6:53:32 AM#61
Originally posted by CalmOceans

There is a reason why online gambling is illegal, way too many people spend way more money than they should. Is your solution "man up"? Lockboxes and surprise boxes is pure gambling.

 

Why do you keep repeating that? Online gambling is not illegal, it's only illegal for the companies that don't pay taxes to your country to allow them. Jesus fucking christ how can you have so little awareness about the Internet.

  CalmOceans

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5/05/13 6:54:57 AM#62
Originally posted by Livnthedream

 I have yet to play a single game where what the cost were was not stated pretty specifically. 

The cost is never stated when the game launches. In a P2P game the cost is $15, and you know very well what you're getting yourself into.

In a F2P game you have no clue whatsoever. The mere fact there is always so much drama about cash shops in F2P games means people have no way of knowing what items comes next or how they will be nickel and dimed next month.

 

If people went to a movie theather, paid for their ticket, and 10 minutes into the movie a screen popped up that said they had to pay some more if they wanted to see the rest of the movie, people would be outraged.

 

There is no other comparable payment model to the one F2P uses in the real world, because people in the real world wouldn't accept it, except for one group who they take advantage of ... gamblers. And F2P are becoming online casinos more and more with lockboxes and surprise boxes and spinning wheels that look exactly like slot machines.

  CalmOceans

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5/05/13 6:58:11 AM#63
Originally posted by Vembumees
Originally posted by CalmOceans

There is a reason why online gambling is illegal, way too many people spend way more money than they should. Is your solution "man up"? Lockboxes and surprise boxes is pure gambling.

 

Why do you keep repeating that? Online gambling is not illegal, it's only illegal for the companies that don't pay taxes to your country to allow them. Jesus fucking christ how can you have so little awareness about the Internet.

From the FBI:

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2007/june/gambling_060607

"You can go to Vegas. You can go to Atlantic City. You can go to a racetrack. You can go to those places and gamble legally. But don’t do it online. It’s against the law,

We currently have about a dozen of these cases in motion. One of the biggest came last July when a federal grand jury in St. Louis returned a 22-count indictment against 11 individuals and four companies for their involvement in illegal online gaming and related activities. ” 

  Livnthedream

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5/05/13 6:59:54 AM#64
Originally posted by CalmOceans

The cost is never stated when the game launches. In a P2P game the cost is $15, and you know very well what you're getting yourself into.

In a F2P game you have no clue whatsoever. The mere fact there is always so much drama about cash shops in F2P games means people have no way of knowing what items comes next or how they will be nickel and dimed next month.

 

If people went to a movie theather, paid for their ticket, and 10 minutes into the movie a screen popped up that said they had to pay some more if they wanted to see the rest of the movie, people would be outraged.

 

There is no other comparable payment model to the one F2P uses in the real world, because people in the real world wouldn't accept it, except for one group who they take advantage of ... gamblers. And F2P are becoming online casinos more and more with lockboxes and surprise boxes and spinning wheels that look exactly like slot machines.

Except thats not how it is. If the game is specifically f2p you are already getting the basics for free. You only have to pay more if you want that soda and popcorn to enhance your experience. While its true that not all f2p games operate that way, there are some that have said "you need to pay to progress past a certain point" they are the minority, and even then its always explicitly stated somewhere before you even sign up for it. Its called consumer due diligence. The responsibility lies on you to know what it is you are getting into. If the game company themselves witheld that information you would be correct, but in my experience that pretty much never happens as its not legal.

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  Phry

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5/05/13 7:10:45 AM#65
Originally posted by Vembumees
Originally posted by CalmOceans

There is a reason why online gambling is illegal, way too many people spend way more money than they should. Is your solution "man up"? Lockboxes and surprise boxes is pure gambling.

 

Why do you keep repeating that? Online gambling is not illegal, it's only illegal for the companies that don't pay taxes to your country to allow them. Jesus fucking christ how can you have so little awareness about the Internet.

Online gambling is illegal in various countries, or only open to certain age groups, Norway i think bans all online gambling, except from a few sources. Gambling in Online games is something of a grey area, one thats becoming something of a problem, its quite possible that in the next few years some of these F2P games that engage in some of these dubious mechanics to extract cash from their players, may find themselves circumscribed. With the recent in app purchases debacle on itunes, its pretty likely that it will only be a matter of time before legislation is introduced anyway.

  Voiidiin

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5/05/13 7:19:55 AM#66
Originally posted by Vembumees

Spending 5000$ on games is absolutely nothing lol, there are players in Eve who have spent 100,000$+ on the game. Spending thousands of dollars on gold in wow has been quite an average sight, especially back in vanilla. I understand that low wage people or schoolkids have hard time understanding it, but they are not really affecting the games they play anyhow at all with their tiny 50$ cashshop buyings.

 

And mostly they aren't scamming anyone. Is WoW scamming me by making me pay 400$ a month for my multibox accounts? No it was 100% my decision. Only one who feels they are scamming is you, Envy.

Umm, so you have 26/27 WoW accounts ?

Why.

Do you really expect us to believe that ?

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  Precusor

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5/05/13 7:53:23 AM#67
Originally posted by Vembumees

 

And mostly they aren't scamming anyone. Is WoW scamming me by making me pay 400$ a month for my multibox accounts? No it was 100% my decision. Only one who feels they are scamming is you, Envy.

I would love to see your PC set up.

 

Got any pics?

  Calerxes

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5/05/13 8:44:18 AM#68
Originally posted by CalmOceans
Originally posted by Livnthedream

 I have yet to play a single game where what the cost were was not stated pretty specifically. 

The cost is never stated when the game launches. In a P2P game the cost is $15, and you know very well what you're getting yourself into.

In a F2P game you have no clue whatsoever. The mere fact there is always so much drama about cash shops in F2P games means people have no way of knowing what items comes next or how they will be nickel and dimed next month.

 

If people went to a movie theather, paid for their ticket, and 10 minutes into the movie a screen popped up that said they had to pay some more if they wanted to see the rest of the movie, people would be outraged.

 

There is no other comparable payment model to the one F2P uses in the real world, because people in the real world wouldn't accept it, except for one group who they take advantage of ... gamblers. And F2P are becoming online casinos more and more with lockboxes and surprise boxes and spinning wheels that look exactly like slot machines.

 

This nickle and dime argument is getting really old, you are only nickle and dimed if you are forced to pay because you need that product like say petrol or electricity but in an entertaiment product, don't be ridiculous, you simple stop playing, so we are back to that self control. And as someone else said do you complain about the ludicrous prices of popcorn and Coke at the theatre? or do you have the option to not buy the stuff? In most MMO's you can progress without the need to be maxed out it would be suicide for companies to make all endgame cost 1000's of dollars/euros/pounds/ as no-one would be able to afford it. You argument is based on a few OCD afflicted people who cannot control themselves, please use some common sense. Also where I am in the UK Internet gambling is absolutely legal and is making billions of pounds a year its even on mainstream TV late at night so thats that argument quashed.

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  Demmi77

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5/05/13 9:37:39 AM#69

swtor has to be the worst. You really don't play it free to play. Everything of value is bought in the cash shop. The game limits your play time in pvp, dungeons, gear etc unless you either unlock it or sub.

but here is the kicker with swtor. You pay to subscribe, and you think you are in the clear. Nope, the free to play model in swtor bends over the subscribers and doesn't even have the courtesy to give them a reach around. Subbing in swtor isn't even p2p you still almost have invest money in teh cartel market. I have never seen anything like it in a game.

after that would be anything perfect world. BLR is almost unplayable at a high level unless you pay for some unlocks. a full gear unlock armor, helm, boots, weapon (complete, equipment, grenades etc.. around 120$ . Just for one set there are around 50 unlocks.

MU online is an old school game i used to plya. You can just gamble your life away on that one.

I am seriously tired of BOXES , every effing f2p game. BUY A BOX WITH A CHANCE OF X...I just want to buy the game, and sub and get everything. I am actually avoiding f2p games more and more cause they end up costing 4 times a normal game.

only game that did f2p right was league of legends.

  Sulaa

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5/05/13 9:42:13 AM#70
I have stopped analyzing for myself which is 'worst'.  I just try to avoid all microtransaction games, which of course mean that I avoid increasing % of whole game market.
  Pie_Rat

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5/05/13 9:44:46 AM#71

My vote goes to The Secret World.

Even though the game has some redeeming qualities, it's clear it was built since day 1 to be a F2P title.

They added a box price and a sub to cash in on the hype at release and then immediately switched to F2P.

Yeah that's the only time I litterally felt scammed by an MMO.

Otherwise I don't see how anyone could feel scammed by a F2P MMO. You get to try it for free and then decide if you want to play the full version by investing a little cash. F2P is just another way of saying free unlimited trial, nothing more.

  Demmi77

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5/05/13 9:48:43 AM#72
Originally posted by Sulaa
I have stopped analyzing for myself which is 'worst'.  I just try to avoid all microtransaction games, which of course mean that I avoid increasing % of whole game market.

to be honest, this is the way i feel. I stick with league of legends , i buy a couple skins a month. I tried resubbing to swtor and scratched my head at what the game offered to subs vs cash shop vs sub + cash shop.

nexon, pwe, all of them are just getting out of control. It's starting to just get ugly even with b2p games. You purchase a game and they have like 20 dlc's ready for you to throw out another 10$ a pop. I just want to buy a game that is complete, i'll pay the sub etc.. but the market is getting way to scary cause now we as gamers just don't know what we are getting.

unfortunately there are no laws to protect us, so we shell out 59.99 on a game , and then in order to play the full game we have to buy a dlc and that is disgusting.

or we buy the game, pay the sub and find out that the best features are in a microtransaction shop. As much as people rag on wow, they are the last of a dying breed of companies that you get what you pay for. It is really getting out of hand.

  VengeSunsoar

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5/05/13 10:24:25 AM#73

In every f2p I have ever played, every time I have thought about purchasing something, the game tells me exactly how much it costs and what it does.  I then decide if I want to pay it or not.

That is the very opposite of a scam.

Online gambling is legal in Canada where I live. 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Squeak69

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5/05/13 10:33:44 AM#74

*sigh* i just want to go back to P2P so i dont have to be worried aout being scammed anymore, i just want to pay my flat rate and get everything the game has with it, so i can play theg ame and if i dont enjoy playing it i can just stop, why is that so complicated, i like life simpole i like to know where my monthly stipend for gameing money is going not poke thrtough the cash shops going so do i have enough left in this month for all the things i really want, well no,

yall want the truth i want to go back to P2P cause im a cheap person and evrytime i have to use my card online, i spend to much time thinking about it, i liked it when the transition of money between me and the devs was simpilar and easyier.

last thin and im done, if the companies where not makeing more money with tis module then they where with P2P then they would not be useing it in mass like they are currently.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Guler

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5/05/13 10:35:46 AM#75

This whole concept of needing to spend large amounts of money to advance in some of these MMOs reminds me of the famous quote from the movie "War Games"

 

"The only way to win is not to play the game".

 

Some people get so caught up that they lose sight that it's just a game, a game they started, and a game they can stop by not playing and moving onto another game. I struggled with this concept for quite a bit with Trading Card Games, where I was always inner-griping that my TCGs of choice kept getting more and more expensive. I don't play them competitively anymore for good reason, because no matter how many games I was winning in tournaments, I was still losing more then I wanted to by buying what I needed to play in the tournaments.

  Four0Six

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5/05/13 10:40:39 AM#76

None.

I have NEVER spent a dime on F2P games. Played a ton of "extended free trials", as I call them.

I, personally,I don't get caught up in the "I MUST HAVE POWERFULL TOON" mentality.

Gaming is a "time waster" for me and that is all. Not something I feel compelled to throw money at. Besides I read the EULA, in short, "ALL IN THE GAME BELONG TO THE PUBLISHER", never was yours.

  Livnthedream

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5/05/13 10:43:16 AM#77
Originally posted by Demmi77

to be honest, this is the way i feel. I stick with league of legends , i buy a couple skins a month. I tried resubbing to swtor and scratched my head at what the game offered to subs vs cash shop vs sub + cash shop.

nexon, pwe, all of them are just getting out of control. It's starting to just get ugly even with b2p games. You purchase a game and they have like 20 dlc's ready for you to throw out another 10$ a pop. I just want to buy a game that is complete, i'll pay the sub etc.. but the market is getting way to scary cause now we as gamers just don't know what we are getting.

unfortunately there are no laws to protect us, so we shell out 59.99 on a game , and then in order to play the full game we have to buy a dlc and that is disgusting.

or we buy the game, pay the sub and find out that the best features are in a microtransaction shop. As much as people rag on wow, they are the last of a dying breed of companies that you get what you pay for. It is really getting out of hand.

This is what happens when the cost of creating games continues to skyrocket but every time they try an raise the price the public throws a tantrum and boycotts the "greedy" publishers.

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  WhiteLantern

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5/05/13 10:44:18 AM#78
Originally posted by Squeak69

*sigh* i just want to go back to P2P so i dont have to be worried aout being scammed anymore, i just want to pay my flat rate and get everything the game has with it, so i can play theg ame and if i dont enjoy playing it i can just stop, why is that so complicated, i like life simpole i like to know where my monthly stipend for gameing money is going not poke thrtough the cash shops going so do i have enough left in this month for all the things i really want, well no,

yall want the truth i want to go back to P2P cause im a cheap person and evrytime i have to use my card online, i spend to much time thinking about it, i liked it when the transition of money between me and the devs was simpilar and easyier.

last thin and im done, if the companies where not makeing more money with tis module then they where with P2P then they would not be useing it in mass like they are currently.

There are those who would argue that being forced to pay rent to access a game you've already purchased is a scam.......

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Thane

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5/05/13 10:47:54 AM#79

tested quite a few f2p mmos now, and non of them has been scam.

 

i usualy play em abit (FOR FREE... that means without spending money) and try to find out if i like em or not.

for example when AOC went f2p, i played close to caps, then i noticed they want money for the high end content (it stopped being fp2 there bascially), and that's when i went on.

TSW on the other hand (b2p) offers nearly 100% of the content for free. what you get is alot of cosmetical stuff, and they got some of my money here, since i play it for quite some time now - and i think it's just fgair giving some money back.

GW2 is also a nice f2p game so far, close to reaching lvl cap yet, haven't found alot of stuff that "forced" me to buy anything.

ToR was quite... shocking at first, but when i spend like 10€ extra, i could play it quite good... problem was elsewhere here.

planetside2 actually offers EVERYTHING (but visuals) for free, when you spend enough time to earn your shit ingame.

LoL, no mmo, but f2p, hence i mention it. totaly free to play. all you get for money is skins and more pages.

 

still paying and playing wow here. with my guild. i basically just play one of the above (basically it's only TSW, LoL or GW2 atm) when i get bored or wanna play sth else. that's what those games excell in - in being around for free. without subs. when you want em.

 

a few of those mmos would actually be good enough to become my maingame, but since i love my guild, i play with em... and they like WoW :)

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  iixviiiix

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5/05/13 10:52:54 AM#80

There are another scam in F2P like put they player (with good gears) in game to fish "whales".

Or run P2P then after a year or half change it to F2P.

I ready pass some of them so i have more caution with F2P game ,

Because of that i wasn't fall in RuneOfMagic , when i saw pure stone and upgrade stone in mall , i know it will not end well.

 

The mall price in nearly all F2P game are ridiculous high , they don't make it so everyone can get it (with reasonable price).

 

Thought we can have some fun in F2P games without spend too much cash in them.

my experience in F2P games are enjoy leveling and don't touch "end game" , stay away from PvP can save you alot.

 

 

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