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  sethman75

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5/05/13 2:54:27 AM#21

Man i went back to WoW last week after a time away and it really has aged badly.

I tried every class i had not yet maxxed from scratch and they tinkered with it so much they are all the same and very boring.

The static quests are garbage, lore barely existant, graphics are aging badly.

I think the WoW killer has arrived, the thing that finally killed it is time.

 

  trash656

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5/05/13 7:45:43 AM#22

If you do Research into this, There is a good explaination for that. It's got nothing too do with WoW being a great and Wonderful Game Either.

The New MMORPG"s that come out now are Dumbed Down, Have less and less content in them, more simplified then ever, easy, simplified mechanics, and classes because the Developers are incompetant greedy Profiteering gluttons who no longer make games because they weren't just soley fixed on money, but also because they were gamers themselves at one point who wanted to make Really Great Games with Excellent story writers, programmers, and Artists, but now it's Like a Shopping Mall were all the Investers have complete control over everything, most of it is all about Money now. That's all they care about, They don't care about making great games because they can cash in on easy sales, and pre orders. Perfect Examples of this are War Z, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online, Auto Assualt, All Points Bulliten, the list goes on...

These PR representatives and developers are completely and utterly disconnected with the Gaming Community, Who cater to the ones Who are the Obiediant gamers no matter what (Fanboys) who are smart enough to realize a game "Can" be good, Just by "Graphics" and "Gameplay" but are dumb enough to passivly accept all these increasingly shitter games, with less customization, Depth, story, less lore, less choices, and less Creativity. It's a Big Club, and you ain't in it. We are just the stupid ants following around with our faces in each others assess just hoping the next MMORPG will be better but it never is because those PR people are so good at hyping things up, making a game sound really interesting and indepth and while you do your pre order then are laughing at you and me all the way to the bank because they know you just got ripped off.

*The Golden Age of MMORPG"s is Finnished. Don't Botherr looking forward to it, because you will be dissapointed to the point of giving up on MMORPG"s all together. just be happy for what you have.*

  zymurgeist

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5/05/13 8:07:22 AM#23
Blizzard invested time, talent, and treasure in WoW. People forget how much was put into developing it. Until another competent company actually develops a game instead of just throwng some ideas together and wasting a lot of money on pushing poorly thought out garbage out the door it will remain the standard. I've never liked playing WoW but you can't deny the commitment that went into building it. CCP is the only company that rivals Blizzards dedication to their game and they just never had the money Blizzard does.

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  SonofSeth

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5/05/13 8:26:17 AM#24
I just want my Dark Souls MMO, untill then it's a new WoW expansion for few months and then year and half of disappointment. 

  Icewhite

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5/05/13 8:31:25 AM#25

When looking for the next WoW, looking somewhere that's Not-WoW tends to result in disappointment.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Battlerock

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5/05/13 8:31:25 AM#26
Op is right. Here is the thing though. Wow is the jack of all trades and master of most. Nothing comes close. Even rift which is the closest game to wow is far less superior in everything. Even graphics. Rift graphics though they are technologically superior are not more pleasant to the eye than wows cartoony rolling green hills. I too cant believe no one has come out with anything to divert the wow hunger in the mmo world. To make things worse, crappy games have flooded the market with f2p hidden cost. I would suggest you dont search for an mmorpg but rather a single player rpg or several. Skyrim is very fun and enjoyable, but if you want to step away from the fantasy genre a bit Dead Space2 has been a blast so far. I would love a mmorpg to come and make me forget wow but that just isnt happening. Hopefully mmorpgs find there way to next gen consoles and some polished mmorpg with big budgets hit the market. F2p for pc is killing the genre. Not that f2p wont work but its to much of a culture shock for a long time wow player who expects better than what a f2p market is capable of producing.
  bubaluba

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5/05/13 8:34:25 AM#27
WOW will WOW will rock you all over the place and rest of the games are big disgrace. WOW will rock forever! Best MMO ever made!
  Dogblaster

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5/05/13 8:36:38 AM#28
These are only yooooour oppinions .. you can think that wow is the best mmo out there, etc. But there are thousands or milions who hate wow and think its the worst mmo. So yea ... there are pretty decent mmorpgs out there either you think or dont .
  Icewhite

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5/05/13 8:36:58 AM#29
Originally posted by David_Lopan
Originally posted by simsalabim77

This website is basically where the MMORPG hipsters and cynical veterans hang out. 

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Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Soki123

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5/05/13 8:37:17 AM#30
Wow is a very good game. I m subbed to it now, along with EQ2, which I feel is the best game, with Wow a close second.
  Vorch

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5/05/13 8:38:30 AM#31

Wow is a good game. Not great. Just good, imo.

It just came out during a time where almost no MMOs where on the market and few people considered playing MMOs. It then came out with an aggressive ad campaign, got people hooked, and people can not get away from time invested for very long.

Honestly, over the last 9 or so years, I believe that quite a few MMOs better than WoW. The issue is that you would essentially have to uproot people from their homes AND charge them 15 bucks a month. That is extremely difficult.

I really don't care if people play WoW or not. If you haven't stopped playing WoW after 9 years, there's little that can be done to pull you away now. Just don't go to other games for 3 weeks and say "WoW is successful, so you should add this from WoW."

WoW's timing and marketing has much more to do with its success than its quality and frequency of updates.

 

 

And with GW2, TERA, Vindictus, Dragon's Nest, etc...you are VERY ingrained in WoW's combat to think it's the best.

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  Soki123

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5/05/13 8:43:08 AM#32
Originally posted by Vorch

Wow is a good game. Not great. Just good, imo.

It just came out during a time where almost no MMOs where on the market and few people considered playing MMOs. It then came out with an aggressive ad campaign, got people hooked, and people can not get away from time invested for very long.

Honestly, over the last 9 or so years, I believe that quite a few MMOs better than WoW. The issue is that you would essentially have to uproot people from their homes AND charge them 15 bucks a month. That is extremely difficult.

I really don't care if people play WoW or not. If you haven't stopped playing WoW after 9 years, there's little that can be done to pull you away now. Just don't go to other games for 3 weeks and say "WoW is successful, so you should add this from WoW."

WoW's timing and marketing has much more to do with its success than its quality and frequency of updates.

 

 

And with GW2, TERA, Vindictus, Dragon's Nest, etc...you are VERY ingrained in WoW's combat to think it's the best.

I can agree with it s timing and marketing, but bringing up combat. Just because you prefer those styles, theres many, and I m willing to bet alot more, that prefer WoWs style combat, then the games you ve mentioned.

 

  Precusor

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5/05/13 9:04:49 AM#33
Hey op..  I think Wildstar might be the thing you're looking for.
  DMKano

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5/05/13 9:07:18 AM#34

Rift after storm legion launch to me is a superior game in every aspect that matters to me. Just my opinion.

 

  Ezhae

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5/05/13 9:08:14 AM#35

You realize the reason after 9 years it is "complete" is because it's been around for 9 years with huge budget behind it? I mean, expecting a fresh MMO or even a year old MMO to have same amount of content and same content distribution is simply delusional and/or naive. 

Do you remember WoW when it launched? Do you remember the buggy instances? The skills not working properly? MC being uncompelteable due to issues with Ragnaros? Lack f battlegrounds or any PvP incentive systems? The loot bug that persisted till few months into TBC? All the issues with AQ?

It's easy to remember good things about a game you spent lot of time with, but I played WoW for several years, since it's start and I also remember all the bad things that happned there. 9 years is a lot of time to polish things up. 

  Soki123

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5/05/13 9:11:16 AM#36
Originally posted by DMKano

Rift after storm legion launch to me is a superior game in every aspect that matters to me. Just my opinion.

 

It s funny how people are so different. My wife and I were all about Rift for at least a year. We were excited as hell for the x pac. Then it hit, and we don t like it at all. I found the class changes before SL a joke, then SL itself just not that exciting at all.

Rift should have learned from EQ2, how to do x pacs, IMO.

  MyownGod

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5/05/13 9:13:41 AM#37
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss
Yeah. I'd say Rift is the best MMO since WoW. Unfortunately, it reminds me too much of it and while several people I know play WoW, none play Rift. You can't even find people streaming it on Twitch because it is so unpopular.

Sadly enough thats the thing with WoW, its very well known not to mention it's very commercialize through TV ads and etc. With Rift however, it got sooo much potential, the publisher and developer are just soo supportive, unlike Blizzards >:(.

 

  Niur

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5/05/13 9:29:45 AM#38
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

Since one year after WoW came out I've been looking for a game to give me an excuse to never go back. Heck, they added Pandaren, something which has completely ruined the atmosphere for myself and many others.

Unfortunately, dozens of MMOs have released and all of them have been underwhelming. I invested so much of my time into waiting for Warhammer Online and it only lasted me two weeks. I waited patiently for Final Fantasy XIV and that was the worst MMO I've ever played. I even gave SWTOR a shot but that was a game with way too much development time put into the voice acting and cutscenes. Guild Wars 2 was similarly fun for a week or two but once I hit level 60 the game's awful dungeon design and lackluster endgame destroyed any thought of me considering it a long-term alternative.

Here I am playing Neverwinter and I actually find it fun. But it isn't polished, AT ALL. The presentation reminds me of MMOs I played back in 2009, and the cash shop is designed in such a way that I feel punished.

I know WoW isn't popular on this site, but truthfully it's by far and away the most polished MMO in history. The combat is still the best in the genre, the world is immersive, and the presentation is clean albeit aging. It's so disheartening because I love the MMO genre, but every game I play makes me just want to go back to WoW. I don't want to go back. I've spent thousands of hours there. Someone, please, any developer, please save us!

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I too agree that WoW is by far the most polished game in the genre, and I agree that the combat is the best example of tab targetting that I have come across, however I just can't agree on the world being immersive...at least not anymore. Maybe back in the days before you could fly everywhere and clear a zone without really seeing it or running into anyone...or before the scourge of quest helpers where an arrow and big blue circle will tell you EXACTLY where to go and what to do. Nowadays (and I suppose even in vanilla to a much smaller extent) WoW is completely static and lifeless out in the open world, with the only changes coming because a patch or a dev says so. You have no impact on the world whatsoever, short of sticking Onyxias head on a pike in Org. Large and mostly seamless...yes. Immersive? I don't think so

  Sk1ppeR

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5/05/13 9:36:19 AM#39
I hope you realize that Gw2's maximum level is 80. Talking about endgame at lv 60 is a joke and I will not take your thread seriously.... Not to mention that you don't recognize Gw2 for what it is and how it's combat is light years ahead of WoW. The combat ... the thing you are doing the whole time in a MMO
  furbans

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5/05/13 9:42:35 AM#40
There are numerous MMOs that have been executed very well.  People seem to forget or were not even around for WoW's launch days.  People expect new MMOs to have WoW's tycoon success and polish off the bat that took WoW many years to achieve.
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