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  TheHavok

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OP  5/05/13 12:54:58 AM#1

I have a friend who works at Perfect World who told me as of Saturday, they have made 6 million dollars in sales.  Thats 6 million dollars in less then a week.

This is the first Western Triple A free to play MMORPG and its proving to be a huge success thus far.  Yeah, yeah, I know Perfect World is a Chinese Company, but Cryptic was the studio behind the game.

I think this marks the beginning of a new chapter in the history of MMORPGs - where free to play is officially the future.  Love it or hate it, Pay to Play is going to slowly fade away.

  furbans

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5/05/13 12:59:18 AM#2

Call be dubious but I find 6 mill profit hardly feasable.  I doubt people have spent 6 million dollars on the Zen store and hearsay is hardly substantial and can be nothing more that a fan spouting false coodoos in an attempt to hype their game.  Until they make an official announcement then it didn't happen.

Also I would hardly call this a AAA MMO and hardly the first, there are a number of other AAA MMOs if you consider this a AAA that are F2P.

  AeonZen

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5/05/13 1:01:40 AM#3

Because more money equals success.  There will always be change so although many may adopt FTP, there may be a another under the radar game that has a different model and that's where I will be.  Sacrificing integrity for more money is not somewhere I want to be.

  Vannor

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5/05/13 1:04:48 AM#4
Originally posted by furbans

Call be dubious but I find 6 mill profit hardly feasable.  I doubt people have spent 6 million dollars on the Zen store and hearsay is hardly substantial and can be nothing more that a fan spouting false coodoos in an attempt to hype their game.  Until they make an official announcement then it didn't happen.

Also I would hardly call this a AAA MMO and hardly the first, there are a number of other AAA MMOs if you consider this a AAA that are F2P.

It's totally feasable. That's $30 each for 200,000 people and we know plenty will have spent a LOT more than $30. We already know tons bought the founders packs as well.

I think they meant the first western AAA to 'launch' as FTP.

  Mondo80

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5/05/13 1:07:19 AM#5
Making any game free to play isn't enuff (crappy speller, no spell check) the game has to make you WANT to play it, WANT to spend cash for useful items, not gear but fun things like extra classes, wardrobe options and other services.  Cryptic games do this well, they may have already paid for themselves for Perfect World.  Before this STO was their highest performer.   It also helps the 4th ed DnD ws built around an MMO mindset.

  Mtibbs1989

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5/05/13 1:20:54 AM#6
Originally posted by TheHavok

I have a friend who works at Perfect World who told me as of Saturday, they have made 6 million dollars in sales.  Thats 6 million dollars in less then a week.

This is the first Western Triple A free to play MMORPG and its proving to be a huge success thus far.  Yeah, yeah, I know Perfect World is a Chinese Company, but Cryptic was the studio behind the game.

I think this marks the beginning of a new chapter in the history of MMORPGs - where free to play is officially the future.  Love it or hate it, Pay to Play is going to slowly fade away.

 They have a great IP to work with and with the foundry there's so much potential coming from this game. Lets just hope Cryptic can keep the ideas flowing for the game to continue for a very long time.


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  simsalabim77

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5/05/13 1:23:38 AM#7
Originally posted by GodEmperorWAAAGH
Originally posted by TheHavok
Originally posted by GodEmperorWAAAGH
Originally posted by TheHavok

I have a friend who works at Perfect World who told me as of Saturday, they have made 6 million dollars in sales.  Thats 6 million dollars in less then a week.

This is the first Western Triple A free to play MMORPG and its proving to be a huge success thus far.  Yeah, yeah, I know Perfect World is a Chinese Company, but Cryptic was the studio behind the game.

I think this marks the beginning of a new chapter in the history of MMORPGs - where free to play is officially the future.  Love it or hate it, Pay to Play is going to slowly fade away.

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[mod edit] I'm pretty curious about this information. If you're too busy to elucidate, then could you give me some links to verified data or research so I can start educating myself? I'm eagerly awaiting your response. 

  Phry

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5/05/13 1:30:53 AM#8
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by GodEmperorWAAAGH
Originally posted by TheHavok
Originally posted by GodEmperorWAAAGH
Originally posted by TheHavok

I have a friend who works at Perfect World who told me as of Saturday, they have made 6 million dollars in sales.  Thats 6 million dollars in less then a week.

This is the first Western Triple A free to play MMORPG and its proving to be a huge success thus far.  Yeah, yeah, I know Perfect World is a Chinese Company, but Cryptic was the studio behind the game.

I think this marks the beginning of a new chapter in the history of MMORPGs - where free to play is officially the future.  Love it or hate it, Pay to Play is going to slowly fade away.

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[mod edit] I'm pretty curious about this information. If you're too busy to elucidate, then could you give me some links to verified data or research so I can start educating myself? I'm eagerly awaiting your response. 

without being privy to insider information that isnt really possible, but, in terms of the MMO's themselves, i'd also find it hard to believe some unsubstantiated statements that are made by anyone who just 'happens to be a fan' of a particular game, and given the current ambivalency surrounding Neverwinter, i can only assume its also there to try and 'remind' people the game exists, i would be very surprised though, if Cryptic/PW did release some kind of official figures for the game, both player numbers, or those related to the cash shop useage, just because someones uncles best friends cousin's sister in law's neighbours aunty just 'says so' is... a little dubious.. and unlikely to be taken seriously

  moosecatlol

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5/05/13 1:34:20 AM#9
Originally posted by TheHavok

I have a friend who works at Perfect World who told me as of Saturday, they have made 6 million dollars in sales.  Thats 6 million dollars in less then a week.

This is the first Western Triple A free to play MMORPG and its proving to be a huge success thus far.  Yeah, yeah, I know Perfect World is a Chinese Company, but Cryptic was the studio behind the game.

I think this marks the beginning of a new chapter in the history of MMORPGs - where free to play is officially the future.  Love it or hate it, Pay to Play is going to slowly fade away.

 

YOU BLEW IT!

  TheHavok

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OP  5/05/13 1:42:40 AM#10

Haha, very true - and normally I wouldn't even believe somebody online who says 'I heard from my friend....' 

But.. Thats exactly what happened.  Believe what you want.

  tankknat

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5/05/13 1:45:08 AM#11
6 million is pretty much 30,000 Hero of the North sales... so 6 million seems fairly easy to do for this studio... not to mention all the zen sales...
  thinktank001

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5/05/13 1:48:45 AM#12
Originally posted by TheHavok

I have a friend who works at Perfect World who told me as of Saturday, they have made 6 million dollars in sales.  Thats 6 million dollars in less then a week.

This is the first Western Triple A free to play MMORPG and its proving to be a huge success thus far.  Yeah, yeah, I know Perfect World is a Chinese Company, but Cryptic was the studio behind the game.

I think this marks the beginning of a new chapter in the history of MMORPGs - where free to play is officially the future.  Love it or hate it, Pay to Play is going to slowly fade away.

 

Considering Nexon's maplestory made less than 20 million from their NA consumer base in 2010 ( I think it was that year).   I find it hard to believe that NWN has made that much in a week from cash shop sales.   That isn't to say it can't be true, but another person mentioned founder packs and that sounds alot like a " box price ".   If this is essentially what it is, then it shouldn't be surprising that they made that much already.   I would be willing to bet that GW2 made 50 mil+ in its first week and that seems like an apple to apple comparison.  

 

IMHO just about any new released game will see a huge influx of revenue.  It is the cash flow that comes after the first month that is important.

  simsalabim77

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5/05/13 1:49:08 AM#13
Originally posted by GodEmperorWAAAGH
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by GodEmperorWAAAGH
Originally posted by TheHavok
Originally posted by GodEmperorWAAAGH
Originally posted by TheHavok

I have a friend who works at Perfect World who told me as of Saturday, they have made 6 million dollars in sales.  Thats 6 million dollars in less then a week.

This is the first Western Triple A free to play MMORPG and its proving to be a huge success thus far.  Yeah, yeah, I know Perfect World is a Chinese Company, but Cryptic was the studio behind the game.

I think this marks the beginning of a new chapter in the history of MMORPGs - where free to play is officially the future.  Love it or hate it, Pay to Play is going to slowly fade away.

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[mod edit] I'm pretty curious about this information. If you're too busy to elucidate, then could you give me some links to verified data or research so I can start educating myself? I'm eagerly awaiting your response. 

There's this thing called Google, you type in what you're looking for and tons of information pops up! Amazing right? Well, if you want to learn something you go through all the information you can find and you can learn quite a bit about the subject you choose.

lol You seriously don't know how to self educate, or do I just have a gifted mind like my teachers used to say when they were trying to manipulate me?

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/190679/Social_games_decline_is_holding_digital_market_back__report.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+News%29

I found that one pretty interesting. 

 

http://www.rpgreporter.com/2012/07/13/free-to-play-mmo-revenues-increase/

There's another interesting one. [mod edit]

  TheHavok

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OP  5/05/13 1:56:52 AM#14
Originally posted by simsalabim77

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/190679/Social_games_decline_is_holding_digital_market_back__report.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+News%29

I found that one pretty interesting. 

 

http://www.rpgreporter.com/2012/07/13/free-to-play-mmo-revenues-increase/

There's another interesting one. [mod edit]

Whats funny (but also sad) is, you take away WoW's sub numbers and those numbers for Pay to Play revenue would take a MASSIVE nose dive.  Many people on this site hate WoW but WoW is infact the last shining champion of subscription based MMORPGs.

I prefer the Pay to Play model over free to play [mod edit]

  deviltheory

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5/05/13 2:11:31 AM#15
I would just like to point out that 6 million dollars in the world of video games is nothing.  And no where near enough money to qualify this as a Triple A title.  Remember Triple A refers soley to production values, not the overall enjoyment factor of the game.  Getting back to the 6 million dollars, say this was a pay to play game.  With average cost being 60 dollars a game, that would mean the game would have sold 100,000 units.  For a triple A title day one sales of this number would be considered a catastrophic failure.  That being said, yes i understand it's still "open beta", but I think it's safe to say the majority of people that have any interest in the game have already downloaded it.
  DamonVile

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5/05/13 2:27:52 AM#16

6 million for an opening week of a big name mmo with almost nothing else launching before it in the last 4 or 5 months ? Not really a big surprise and not huge numbers like some ppl are making it out to be.

Most of the indusrty is based off the 3-4 month game hoppers. So timing it so they're all bored and looking for something new was a good move on cryptics part ( pw ) 

  Panzerbase

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5/05/13 2:28:50 AM#17
Games great, you have nothing to lose by trying it.  [mod edit]
  synn

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5/05/13 2:35:04 AM#18
Originally posted by TheHavok

I have a friend who works at Perfect World who told me as of Saturday, they have made 6 million dollars in sales.  Thats 6 million dollars in less then a week.

This is the first Western Triple A free to play MMORPG and its proving to be a huge success thus far.  Yeah, yeah, I know Perfect World is a Chinese Company, but Cryptic was the studio behind the game.

I think this marks the beginning of a new chapter in the history of MMORPGs - where free to play is officially the future.  Love it or hate it, Pay to Play is going to slowly fade away.

 there have been a bunch of F2P games that started out pretty decent but some where down the road people started getting greedy and went from a fairly balanced game to a P2W game. I guess when the "newness" of a game wears off and the huge influx of money starts tapering off is when games start seeing more patches that implement new cash shop items rather than content.

 

Will this happen in NWN? who knows. I'm just speaking from what I've noticed in F2P games over the years.

  sethman75

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5/05/13 2:40:41 AM#19

Good on them if that is true.

They have created a fantastic game that is fun to play but most importantly does not require any cash purchases to enjoy and progress.

If people feel like they have to spend money, that's up to them but by no means is it required.

 

 

  Shaigh

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5/05/13 3:02:44 AM#20
Originally posted by simsalabim77

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/190679/Social_games_decline_is_holding_digital_market_back__report.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+News%29

I found that one pretty interesting. 

 

http://www.rpgreporter.com/2012/07/13/free-to-play-mmo-revenues-increase/

There's another interesting one. Also, you are definitely taking out of your ass. Your post led me to believe you had some insight on the monetization of MMO's, but in really all you have is your gut feeling and opinion. Feel free to prove otherwise, but I'm pretty certain you're still talking out of your ass. 

Superdata is using Multiplayer Online as a definition for MMO, which makes both LoL and World of tanks MMO's in those stats.

 

The first article even says "SuperData says that newer titles like Hawken, Strike Suit Zero and MechWarrior Online are helping the overall MMO market to maintain its health."

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