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  JustAHermit

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Joined: 2/10/13
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5/04/13 3:59:27 AM#61
Funny thing was this game got rated an 8.5+ when it was recently released. I quit playing after 3 days feeling it wasn't really leaving up to ... what I had hoped for. Now, I come back later and it's 6.6? Geez, now I'm really worried about the rating system.
  Digna

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The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp.

5/04/13 5:54:49 AM#62

It was average during beta (a bit below average really) and while they have fixed some things, the game at its heart remains below average.


I am curious though, since this is a 'test run' of merging gaming media with an 'active' medium of exposure namely the TV series, how that has affected projected returns over time.


For example, a mediocre game as just a game expecting 30 million return but the 'linked' aspect of Defiance allowing a mediocre to pull in 50 million.


This was always suppose to be a money making venture but it is also a test of merged media. Only the bean counters can really say and even that over time. Food for thought.


  Vlacke

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Joined: 11/15/11
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5/04/13 7:04:47 AM#63
Good review Bill, nice read and i agree with all the pros and cons you listed, the game's PC version has plenty of issues indeed.
  SBE1

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5/04/13 8:35:32 AM#64

Hey Bill, as a very vocal critic of the old-style MMORPG.com reviews, this review actually seems believable.  I'm not saying that just because of the 6.6 score; I'm saying it because you backed up why it was a 6.6 score. 


I do think a bit more highlight to the hacking issue, rather than just a brief comment and link, would be a bit more helpful and probably dropped the "polish" score down.  Putting that kind of information on the client is just NOOB coding and begging to be hacked, hence for me polish would have to take a big hit since any experienced programmer would never have done that. 


I also believe your innovation score of 7 seems rather high.  Just because there aren't too many MMO shooters doesn't make the game innovative, just makes it less common.  Innovation should be stuff we haven't seen before that is good for gaming (i.e., legacy system for your account in SWTOR was a good innovation).  If Defiance had maybe put daily/weekly events that tied into the TV show or something, maybe that would up the innovative factor, because you could watch the show for clues that would help you in your daily/weekly quest(s).  Stuff like that should bounce the innovation up. I guess you should figure out what amount of innovation would score a 3, a 5, a 7 and a 10.  It appears that you put modest innovation at 7, whereas I would put it a 3 or 4.


Anyways, congrats on a far better review.  Just rethink Innovation scoring.  Thanks.


  Grunty

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5/04/13 9:03:56 AM#65

As I said when it went retail. It's a beta product. Don't pay for beta. 

The game can be fun. The buggy code is not.

  Ozmodan

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Joined: 2/27/07
Posts: 6562

5/04/13 9:29:27 AM#66

Giving the game a 5 for social is a gift.  I would give it a 2.  The social parts of the game are very poorly implemented from the very poor voice implementation to the various social menus.  I don't even bother using in the game voice anymore, Ventrilo is far superior.

They need to bring more of the people with MMO expertise in from their other games, this development group just does not get it.

  BillMurphy

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5/04/13 9:33:17 AM#67
Originally posted by JustAHermit
Funny thing was this game got rated an 8.5+ when it was recently released. I quit playing after 3 days feeling it wasn't really leaving up to ... what I had hoped for. Now, I come back later and it's 6.6? Geez, now I'm really worried about the rating system.

Ha! The rating you're referring to of 8.5 was the user score my friend. This is the official staff review. You'll notice the user combined score is still over 8.

  erictlewis

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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

5/04/13 11:40:36 AM#68

I don't know how the score can be so high, the ui is horible.  I don't know how Ttrion could botch this so bad.  Not to mention syfy making a mediocre tv series with stuff we all seen before. 


 


  Margulis

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5/04/13 2:45:55 PM#69
From my experience with the game I would actually say a 6.6 is pretty generous.
  Herase

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5/04/13 4:28:14 PM#70

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

I agree with the review for the most part. The only thing I really disagree with is the lack of importance put on fun. It's something most MMO's fail to consider and for me it's why I've left most recent MMO in a month or less. 


The first question that should be asked is of course "Is it fun and or entertaining?". 


For developers they have to consider if a game, mechanic, and even the content they are adding is going to be fun and or entertaining for their intended player base. If the answer is no then there really is no point in continuing with the current design.  You've start off with an uphill battle where you have to continually try and back track and make things fun. You have to continually add content that acts as a carrot on a stick that promises fun will soon come. As in the intial design and development it is easy to lose sight of fun when trying to fix a game and make it fun later. 


Polish, additional content, etc. are all much easier to add after a game is out than adding in fun is. 


If the core of the game is fun, them I have always felt my purchase was a good one and I'm more than happy to wait for things to get smoothed out and more stuff to be added to the game. If a game fails to deliver that fun then I feel my money was wasted and no, I won't be sticking around waiting for things to be fixed. SWTOR offered a great number of features and mechanics, it also had a massive story and depth. The problem was it was only slightly entertaining for a short while. It lacked fun. Same with numerous other MMOs to launch in recent years. They can offer me the world for the box price, a nominal monthly fee, or for what ever I'm willing to spend on the cash shop but... if they don't offer me fun then there simply is nothing for me there. 


 


Even games like APB and CO that I find fun I can't bring myself to play much because they hender the fun in the name of profits and I haven't loaded eaither up in several months. 


 


Fun for me is the most important thing in gaming, if it isn't fun then whats the point? Defiance delivered where it counted in my book. Its one of a few on my very short list of good MMOs . More polish and content are easy to add down the road. 



100% agree, its fun and thats what a game should be. if it gets me logging in each day just for an hour becaue i want too,  it's done its job. For me this game has been a breath of fresh air, i can  do an arkfall, some quests, try out new guns and im happy. were most mmos i feel i need to login, not becaue i want too. I start worrying "have i capped everything?" or "do i have all x amount of items".


Like you said "Fun" is a big factors alot of mmos are missing out ( hoping wildstar wont :) ).


  Tuchaka

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5/04/13 7:06:15 PM#71
pretty fair review frankly you take out the persistence and the fact that many players can play online this would be a bad shooter which is what i think of it
  Mackeh

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5/04/13 7:36:57 PM#72

Shadow war is not a good point, it's a huge bad point. 


Having open world faction based pvp with the choice of pvp or pve servers would be a good point.


  lordtwisted

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5/05/13 12:03:09 AM#73

 I have really enjoyed this game, but I consider myself a casual gamer. I might typically get hard core and hammer on a new game full time for a couple weeks, but by then my real life chores, needs, and wants will have piled up .


 At this point my game time typically goes back down to a couple hours a night if I am lucky, a couple hours a week is closer to the truth. 


 So things that most MMO's require like raids, or full groups that typically take an hour or more to set up, just kills my game time. 


 Defiance has a lot of freedom to it, I can log on and BS in a chat channel for two hours, or I can log on and do contracts, maybe I just feel like driving and doing time trials today? Or hey, been meaning to finish up some side quest. 


 I can log on hop through some vendors looking for new stuff and log off and not feel like I am interferring with the guilds needs, I can log on and solo, or do co-op, or PvP. Or just run around hitting emergencies. 


 It's all my choice, and I don't need to rely on anyone else, but there are others there if I feel like it.  That is what makes this a good game to me. 


 


 As for this review.... I did not read all of your points, and your scales, but I think your overall scores is pretty solid. This game had, well still has a lot of promise if the developers decide to put the effort into it. I love the concept, and who knows maybe down the road when more content is released as the TV show progresses, maybe more of the game will shine. 


 


 We can always drink...err.. dream!


Not so nice guy!

  eury2

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Joined: 9/01/08
Posts: 37

5/05/13 1:38:21 AM#74

i've literaly completed every single mission that this game had to offer within a week of its release when i look at the map its just bare lol no side missions or main missions the only thing to keep me ocupied is co-op, pvp and ark falls but even all that im tired of and havent logged in for a few days now.


makes me sad to think that they are going to charge people for their dlc's

 




 




 





 

  SoulStain

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5/05/13 1:46:22 PM#75
An endurance meter for jumping would be nice ...and falling damage. Unless they've added that in the last few weeks. I havent been able to play in a few.
  fiontar

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5/05/13 2:38:03 PM#76

I agree with most everything, but the score on Longevity was probably too generous. The addictive game play may keep some people logging in from time to time for a few months, but the actual amount of content is extremely skimpy for an MMO.


I think others are right. If you judge it as a shooter with some RPG/MMO elements, it's probably worth the purchase price. As an MMO? It's a fail. If you know what uyou are getting, it's not bad, if you are expecting a full fledged MMO in a sci-fi setting? You'll likely be very disappointed.


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  fiontar

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5/05/13 2:40:09 PM#77
Oh and yeah, the jumping animations are about the worst I've ever seen in an MMO. The sad thing is that it's the same exact horrible jumping animation Trion used for Rift. They got blasted for it there, but still chose to just copy/paste it into Defiance. I think that shows how little pride they take in the quality of their work.

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  Shauneepeak

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5/05/13 3:43:51 PM#78

Originally posted by theniffrig

Got it on Xbox & tried out the first few minutes so far. I'm a PC gamer for sure & I really struggle with aiming with a control pad in console games. Having said that, it isnt too bad as it auto aims when your pointing close enough to an enemy.




Hearing good things about the show, but I don't have Syfy so i'll have to try find it online.


[mod edit]


 


Also to the reviews pvp bunny hopping comment. Bill you have either never played Quake or Unreal tournament or have and hate it. This is not a modern military shooter like COD or Battlefield this is an arcade shooter and Bunny Hopping is just a strategy, hell I bunny hop in Borderlands quite a bit whatever helps keep you alive is fine in my book long as its not cheating or glitching.


  Bcuda

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5/05/13 6:29:50 PM#79
I like the show better than the game... Thats a shame
  Bcuda

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5/05/13 6:31:01 PM#80
A poet and did not even know it!!! Hehe
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